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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    197
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qldfrog said:
And lastly, do you know that most low range hybrid cars due to the extra battery weight consume more than equivalent power efficient diesel cars?
Hybrids with limited range 20 to 40km or so are traveling a lot on their ice and so ultimately consume more per km than efficient ice. As they carry that extra weight..talking pure hybrid, not ev with backup engine
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On that issue frog, a friend of my son in the goldfields had a Toyota Prius, when travelling on the open road over 80klm/hr it was on the ICE motor 100%. He sold it because most of his running out in the bush was at highway speeds. So as you say much less efficient.
By the way, next fine weekend in Perth myself and a mate are renting a Tesla model 3, so that should be fun. ?
 
basilio said:
The move to electrify trucks for underground mines is moving quickly. ICE vehicles just cost too much to run in maintenace as well as air venting requirements.

www.abc.net.au

Turning diesel into electric — the underground mining vehicles boosting Australian manufacturing

Five years after the demise of Australian vehicle manufacturing, a growing number of businesses are retrofitting diesel light vehicles into custom electric vehicles for use in underground mines.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Spot on Bas, raise boring ventilation shafts, is a costly and time consuming process.
As soon as EV underground haul trucks are viable, they will be jumped on big time.
 
sptrawler said:
Spot on Bas, raise boring ventilation shafts, is a costly and time consuming process.
As soon as EV underground haul trucks are viable, they will be jumped on big time.
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Yes and now, i was heavily involved in electronic design for UG mines.regulations in term of explosions and Fire risks are VERY stringent, and the risk of explosions and fire in EVs are VERY high, vs diesel ICE.
Ventilation shafts are mainly used to clear explosive and toxic gases, not for o2 or exhaust fumes
A woke BHP might push for regulztion changes that any labour gov will agree to, until we get a dozen roasted miners and a royal enquiry following.
They might read this post then....
all good, i do not go UG anymore....
 
Land Rover to develop a hydrogen fuel cell Defender.
From the article:
Jaguar Land Rover will develop a hydrogen-powered prototype of its iconic Defender SUV as the carmaker works toward cutting tailpipe emissions to zero by 2036.
The fuel-cell Defender will be partly funded by the U.K. government and testing will start at the end of this year, Jaguar Land Rover said in a statement. Rapid refueling times is making hydrogen, which only emits water, ideal for larger vehicles with longer driving ranges, the carmaker said.
In February, the U.K.’s biggest carmaker laid out plans to electrify its lineup under new chief executive officer Thierry Bollore, with the Jaguar brand quitting sales of combustion-engine cars completely just four years from now. Automakers from Europe’s biggest manufacturer Volkswagen AG to Jaguar’s smaller rival Lotus Cars are accelerating plans for EV rollouts to keep pace with tightening emissions regulation. The U.K. plans to ban sales of cars that run entirely on combustion engines from 2030.
 
Smurf1976 said:
I'm no mining expert but I know the unions were on about diesel exhaust some years ago and that mines needed to increase ventilation to keep exhaust gas concentration to acceptable levels.
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Yes in declines, the trucks, boggers and service vehicles are running 24/7, ventilation is critical, they clear all fumes from blasts and emissions.
In shaft mines the issues are different from declines, shaft mines tend to use BEV's, whereas declines use diesels.
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And when the big one, reverses over the little one, in confined spaces.

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qldfrog said:
regulations in term of explosions and Fire risks are VERY stringent, and the risk of explosions and fire in EVs are VERY high, vs diesel ICE.
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FWIW petrol vehicles were prohibited in underground power stations decades ago, at least as far back as the late 1950's, for that reason plus also the danger of carbon monoxide.

Only exceptions I'm aware of was when a passenger car was required for a Royal visit or similar and they were subject to a lot of checks and so on.
 
sptrawler said:
Yes in declines, the trucks, boggers and service vehicles are running 24/7, ventilation is critical, they clear all fumes from blasts and emissions.
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And when the big one, reverses over the little one, in confined spaces.

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UG, in many places, vents are running 24/7 even wo diesel just because of methane seeping and creating explosive conditions, the reasons EVs are very unwelcome UG in my opinion.
I worked mainly in qld and coal mines where it is the #1 issue..and cause of accidents google Moura explosions..many losses of lives,
etc
obviously in gold mines, etc less of a risk..so less an issue in WA
 
qldfrog said:
UG, in many places, vents are running 24/7 even wo diesel just because of methane seeping and creating explosive conditions, the reasons EVs are very unwelcome UG in my opinion.
I worked mainly in qld and coal mines where it is the #1 issue..and cause of accidents google Moura explosions..many losses of lives,
etc
obviously in gold mines, etc less of a risk..so less an issue in WA
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Yes the W.A coal mines are open cut, so probably don't have the same issues as Queensland.
The nickel and gold mines are mainly decline or open cut, I can't think of any shaft mines in W.A anymore. It used to give me the creeps going down the shaft at Silver Lake mine, when I was a kid, they used to run lead acid battery loco's to haul the ore to the material skip, then it was wound up the shaft.
The newer lithium powered loco's will probably be a huge improvement. The Chinese are using unmanned underground loco's.
https://im-mining.com/2020/05/24/chinas-mines-rolling-unmanned-underground-rail-systems-rapid-pace/
 
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The signing of the free trade agreement with the U.K, should smooth a transition to E.V's for Australia.
the U.K has set a 2030 timeline to remove ICE engined vehicles, one would think that would mean a lot of infrastructure re configuration and adaption would have to rolled out.
A lot of it will be hit and miss, some will work some wont, but a huge amount of money will have to be thrown at the BEV integration, into real life issues, like on street parking and charging, multi story apartment block electrical infrastructure upgrades, for two way power flow.

So a lot will be learnt in the next few years, with regard V2G charging, also the U.K is developing their own BEV vehicles, having a close two way communication through the free trade agreement, should save Australia a huge amount of R & D costs plus trail and error learning experiences.
IMO it will be a huge plus for Australia's transition to BEV's.
www.abc.net.au

'A new dawn': Australia and UK strike agreement for post-Brexit free trade deal

A free trade deal between Australia and the United Kingdom is hailed by British Prime Minister Boris Johnson as "a new dawn" in relations between the two countries.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
Smurf1976 said:
Not cars but buses.

Not my video but I've been there.

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Proven technology, 50y old or so, trams on wheels, and yet, in Australia, we still build/debate rail trams which can block the network over a badly parked car or a minor accident .
See Melbourne...
But true, easier to drive/automate with rail: start stop only
 
Here are your electric "cars" /delivery vehicles whatever.

An electric flying race car has taken flight for the first time in Australia, ahead of a proposed series of remotely piloted races later in the year.

The Alauda Airspeeder Mk3, a four-metre-long multicopter, has taken its first unmanned test flights in the South Australian desert, with approval from Australia’s Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

Weighing 130kg, the vehicle has a thrust-to-weight ratio exceeding some of the world’s most advanced fighter aircraft.


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https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ernment-awards-1m-grant-to-develop-flying-car
Matthew Pearson, the founder of the firm that built the vehicle, Alauda Aeronautics, said it will be flown in a Formula One–style series of races, with up to 10 aircraft flying in the air at the same time. Three races will take place later in 2021, in locations yet to be announced.

Depending on the terrain, the vehicles will fly at speeds between 150 to 250km per hour, Pearson said.

www.theguardian.com

Flying electric car takes off in South Australian desert ahead of Formula One-style races

Alauda Airspeeder Mk3, a four-metre-long multicopter, makes unmanned test flights but team hopes to shift to pilots
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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