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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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Knobby22 said:
Well let's face it, we aren't that great as drivers.

Only a matter of time till it's all automated with people not allowed to drive.
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Absolutely, the chip doesnt drink, doesnt text, does do drugs, doesnt get tired, doesnt have a blue with the missus and kids in the car.
 
Knobby22 said:
Well let's face it, we aren't that great as drivers.

Only a matter of time till it's all automated with people not allowed to drive.
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not allowed to think, not allowed to drive, to own a gun, a knife or do anything potentially dangerous.whole generations of our ancestors went to war to defend a notion of freedom.
remember the fall of the iron curtain...and now try to leave this very country..
EVs make it a little bit easier to be remotely controlled, more importantly, making EVs de facto mandatory will force only new models on the roads, fewer of these due to price and resources shortage, and so allow implementation of full control:blackbox, speed limiter, remote stopping, etc etc
 
Priceless ! James May explaining in excruciating detail a ridiculous design fault in his Tesla S.

Be interesting to see how quickly (if at all) Tesla responds. Also interesting to see if he has voided his warranty with unauthorised work.

Perhaps also a lesson on technology going way to far and over the cliff.

 
Came across this You Tube channel which may be of interest to car enthusiasts restoring/rebuilding cars.

This Channel is all about me and my passion for Italian and German cars namely Fiats and Audi's. I have owned a number of Audi's including 3 TT's, a facelift A7, (I loved that car) a B9 A4 line Avant to name but a few and I currently own an A1 sport, and I have just finished rebuilding a facelift Audi S3. My other passion is Italian cars. My first car when I passed my test was an Alfasud 1.2Ti in green, and I went on to buy the 1.5 Cloverleaf soon after.

I currently own a 2013 Abarth 500 which I adore. I am no millionaire, just a poor YouTuber who loves cars, so to get my cars I often by damaged cars from salvage yards and repair them on the channel to educate my audience on how easy it is to get the car of your dreams at a reduced cost and have fun on the way.

 
sptrawler said:
Absolutely, the chip doesnt drink, doesnt text, does do drugs, doesnt get tired, doesnt have a blue with the missus and kids in the car.
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It's not the chip itself that could be a problem, it's the software that drives it.

No one can assume that software is infallible as this article demonstrates.

In Pictures: Houston, we have a bug - 9 famous software glitches in space

There’s never a good time to run into software bugs, but some times are worse than others - like during a mission to space. Spacecraft of all shapes and sizes rely heavily on software to complete their objectives. But those missions can be quickly ended by the simplest of human errors when...
www.arnnet.com.au

Plus the fact that all software can be hacked, and we know what a disaster that can be.
 
annoying opposition leader losing brakes and rollover at 120 on the freeway, or ransom pay or your daughter will slam on a wall etc etc
 
qldfrog said:
annoying opposition leader losing brakes and rollover at 120 on the freeway, or ransom pay or your daughter will slam on a wall etc etc
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To show you this is not that crazy, all top evs have on the air upgrading software, so whIle you sleep the software gets updated, it is only a matter of time where one upgrade will be hacked and for example only the accelerator up connected so an acceleration only car, disable right turn, whatever...with millions EVs on the road, it is not if that will happen but when..and then the blackmail or remote murder will just become a driving risk
 
Soft-ware may be able to be hacked.
The question is one of the math; If a system of 'AI' proves itself a factor of magnitude better than the 'ape' currently in control of a vehical and with a possiblility of better than that....
In the US? the numbers you'd bring down circa 40,000 road fatalities to 4000 or less per annum; run the add ons to that truamer, family, emergency, hospoitilisation, rehab and then quality of life +++.. How many 'hacked murder missiles' are going to be enabled to come near that distress???
Sorry to tell y'all, with fleet turnover You ain't gunna decide... Insurance is; That's Capitalism.

And this isn't just an 'EV' thing... See George Hotz and Comma-AI...
 
I don’t think we should expect software or hardware to be infallible, because the humans that they will replace are also not infallible.

To be valuable self driving vehicles just have to get to the point where they fail less often than humans, they don’t have to be perfect, just less bad.
 
basilio said:
Perhaps also a lesson on technology going way to far and over the cliff.
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I'll give you one guarantee about a conventional 12V battery in a car.

It will fail at some point during the life of the car.

Therefore it ought to be easily accessible and replaceable.
 
Smurf1976 said:
I'll give you one guarantee about a conventional 12V battery in a car.

It will fail at some point during the life of the car.

Therefore it ought to be easily accessible and replaceable.
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Tesla is moving away from using lead acid 12V battery, and is instead going to be using a lithium ion version of the 12V battery, which ofcourse will have a much longer life span than traditional lead asset batteries.

I also believe that the problem mentioned in the video above will no longer be an issue.
 
Value Collector said:
Tesla is moving away from using lead acid 12V battery, and is instead going to be using a lithium ion version of the 12V battery, which ofcourse will have a much longer life span than traditional lead asset batteries.
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Good to hear they're fixing it but there's still an flaw if the car just sitting there doing nothing flattens the little 12V battery and can't be used, despite the far larger main battery being charged. Even if the battery doesn't need actual replacement, it's still going to need a jump start if it's flat.
 
Yeah I think they have fixed that problem a fair while ago, I think it was just a software update.
 
Someone must be listening. ?

Mechanics to be retrained for electric vehicles as diesel buses phased out by 2030

The government is rolling out a new series of short courses to address skills shortages in emerging speciality areas including the servicing of electric buses and cars.
www.smh.com.au
 


With massive subsidies from the Chinese government no doubt.

EV's are THE product subsidy of choice for basically every government everywhere right now. I've been trying to find an indian manufacturer to buy in to but options seem pretty limited at the moment.
 
Interesting concept by Toyota, that will work well with EV's, rather than owning one you rent one similar to scooter hire that is prevalent in Europe.
It also does away with the need for individuals to provide charging facilities, wear the cost of an aging battery pack etc, it could be a terrific answer for those who only use a car occasionally.
On the flip side, i woder if we will find Kinto cars up trees, in rivers, completely stripped, as we did with ride sharing bikes?
Toyota is hoping on everyone being nice and respectful, as most well intentioned ideas do, time will tell.

Toyota launches Kinto car sharing service in Melbourne, other states to follow

The car share space is about to become more crowded, with automotive giant Toyota launching its Kinto service in Australia.
www.drive.com.au
From the article:
Motorists who don’t want to own a car – or who prefer a choice of vehicle types throughout the year – will soon be able to rent a Toyota through its new car sharing service called Kinto, a rival to other outlets such as GoGet.
For now, Kinto is only available in Melbourne – in four locations – but Toyota says it plans to roll out the car sharing service nationally.
Due to the “once-in-a-century changes” occurring in motor vehicle technology Toyota says it is “recasting our entire way of thinking and doing business”.
Toyota says there are no membership fees, and drivers can take a vehicle for an hour, a day, or longer – with fuel, insurance, and maintenance all covered.
Kinto cars – ranging from sedans, hatchbacks, SUVs, utes and vans – are booked via a smartphone app.
Kinto cars are unlocked and locked via the smartphone app. Rates start from less than $10 an hour plus 30 cents per kilometre. Full-day rates begin at $63 (plus 27 cents per kilometre). Weekly rates are available from just $294 with a lower per kilometre rate of 18 cents.
Kinto cars are covered by 24/7 roadside assistance and comprehensive insurance, and customers have the option of reducing insurance excess for an extra charge.
“Kinto is the next best thing to owning your own car because it is simple and affordable to book and drive the latest Toyota vehicles, including our popular hybrid models,” Mr Hanley said in a media statement.
 
And lastly, do you know that most low range hybrid cars due to the extra battery weight consume more than equivalent power efficient diesel cars?
Hybrids with limited range 20 to 40km or so are traveling a lot on their ice and so ultimately consume more per km than efficient ice. As they carry that extra weight..talking pure hybrid, not ev with backup engine
 
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