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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    197
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sptrawler said:
Absolutely, Cummings make a beautiful 1MW acoustically covered skid mount, i have commissioned many.
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Here's some outside Catagunya power station (Tasmania) in early 2016 being installed in a great hurry.

For everyone else not familiar, the round cover on top comes off and the exhaust pipe fits in there. Cables go in the hatch beside the door.

Fuel = normal diesel fuel, nothing special.

These have long since been removed by the way, it was a temporary installation only.

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Smurf1976 said:
Here's some outside Catagunya power station (Tasmania) in early 2016 being installed in a great hurry.

For everyone else not familiar, the round cover on top comes off and the exhaust pipe fits in there. Cables go in the hatch beside the door.

Fuel = normal diesel fuel, nothing special.

These have long since been removed by the way, it was a temporary installation only.

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Easy peasy, great units, plug and play no remote radiators, pure magic
 
Value Collector said:
Especially if that diesel genny is just there to back up a solar and battery system.
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Indeed.

A point often missed is that it doesn't have to be perfect, it's not a case of 100% renewables or 100% fossil fuels to power cars, it's still a huge leap forward even if there's a bit of diesel power in the mix used to charge them when required.

It's not as though more than a tiny portion of car travel is actually in the middle of nowhere.
 
And if you're on a long trip you'll be able to charge at the hotel/caravan park anyway.

As I was saying before, oil as a consumer energy source is in structural decline.
 
Smurf1976 said:
Indeed.

A point often missed is that it doesn't have to be perfect, it's not a case of 100% renewables or 100% fossil fuels to power cars, it's still a huge leap forward even if there's a bit of diesel power in the mix used to charge them when required.

It's not as though more than a tiny portion of car travel is actually in the middle of nowhere.
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OMG at last, common ground.
 
Smurf1976 said:
Indeed.

A point often missed is that it doesn't have to be perfect, it's not a case of 100% renewables or 100% fossil fuels to power cars, it's still a huge leap forward even if there's a bit of diesel power in the mix used to charge them when required.

It's not as though more than a tiny portion of car travel is actually in the middle of nowhere.
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Yep, never let "perfection" be the enemy of "good".
 
Value Collector said:
Yep, never let "perfection" be the enemy of "good".
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That is the current stumbling block with everything ATM, it is my way or the highway mentality in climate change politics just about everything, when in reality this is what is holding everything up, there isn't a perfect right or a perfect wrong when you are trying to achieve the same goal.
 
sptrawler said:
That's true when the 4 kids were young, we drove over East in a bitsashiti L300 1600cc, towing a campa van, top speed 80kl/hr.
Was booked going through a two horse town, in the middle of nowhere, at 2am on thur morning, doing 80kl/hr.lol
I said to the cop, mate you need a life. ?
But to put it in context, when a good mate got married in Adelaide in the mid 1980's and wanted me as best man, it cost me $950 return from Perth, I couldn't afford to pay for the wife to go.
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The way things are going between covid measures killing air companies and ,carbon taxes and ideology killing airfares: the bargain fares may not stay relevant for much longer
In europe, green extremists target airfares and ours will probably follow.
 
Smurf1976 said:
Indeed.

A point often missed is that it doesn't have to be perfect, it's not a case of 100% renewables or 100% fossil fuels to power cars, it's still a huge leap forward even if there's a bit of diesel power in the mix used to charge them when required.

It's not as though more than a tiny portion of car travel is actually in the middle of nowhere.
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My point is just that the solutions being developed are made for conditions vastly different from Australia: distances, temperatures etc. Nothing news but we will have to add a level of custom made adaptation which will add to costs.
For example, if you power your remote chargers with h2 vs just road shipping diesel or unleaded , you add costs
More volume needed so more trucks for same energy worsen by the extra losses in the h2 generator to electricity to batteries.And standard
Fuels will be more and more expensive ( we do not even refine much here) in a possible world with ev.
If the aim was really to lower carbon emission, we would also favor synthetic fuels able to run existing fleet AND infrastructure.
As we do not, i believe the aim is the Reset and so a major replacement of existing infrastructure and society behaviour, and not socalled carbon reduction.time will tell if EVs are the 2020 LPG cars
 
sptrawler said:
That's true when the 4 kids were young, we drove over East in a bitsashiti L300 1600cc, towing a campa van, top speed 80kl/hr.
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Our trip consisted of 4 people, a 17 year old 4 cyl hatchback, an old Morris and a motorbike.

Think "Top Gear road trip" inspired.

Starting point = a fast food restaurant car park in suburban Melbourne.

Accommodation = caravan parks, roadhouses, pubs, cheap motels.

Lots of fun. Not much to do with EV's though although I wonder how easy it would be to do the same trip in an EV today? That is, if there's any gaps in charging infrastructure that would preclude it?
 
Smurf1976 said:
Our trip consisted of 4 people, a 17 year old 4 cyl hatchback, an old Morris and a motorbike.

Think "Top Gear road trip" inspired.

Starting point = a fast food restaurant car park in suburban Melbourne.

Accommodation = caravan parks, roadhouses, pubs, cheap motels.

Lots of fun. Not much to do with EV's though although I wonder how easy it would be to do the same trip in an EV today? That is, if there's any gaps in charging infrastructure that would preclude it?
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Plenty of Tesla’s have crossed the Nullarbor, if you look on the plug share app all the charging locations are marked, with multiple people checking in on different dates, and writing reviews of the charging spots.

some of the charging locations are just power points at motels or caravan parks etc but it’s doable.
 

Smurf1976 said:
Our trip consisted of 4 people, a 17 year old 4 cyl hatchback, an old Morris and a motorbike.

Think "Top Gear road trip" inspired.

Starting point = a fast food restaurant car park in suburban Melbourne.

Accommodation = caravan parks, roadhouses, pubs, cheap motels.

Lots of fun. Not much to do with EV's though although I wonder how easy it would be to do the same trip in an EV today? That is, if there's any gaps in charging infrastructure that would preclude it?
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Well i have always done road trips, from Perth there isn't many options, so with the kids we did 16 nullabor trips, 6 great central road trips, Simpson desert trip, trips north of Alice, trips South of Alice.
Then I have driven the Nullabor in 72 in a HG 253, driven the Nullabor in 73 on a Honda 4, Driven the Nullabor several times since then with the kids, Jeez driven it enough times to know how it could be driven in a BEV ffs.
I'm over this.
Forgot I drove it on a Kwaka 1000j and on a BMW 1100RS, jeez i don't want to drive it again, but with these travel restrictions, it may be better than nothing.
 
What I talked about at the beginning of this thread, is starting to take shape a capacitor/ battery hybrid.
It will probably have a long way to go, but IMO it is the answer, a battery that can be charged like a capacitor and discharged like a battery.
So fast charging and good storage capacity.
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Moreover, it is safer in terms of potential fire hazards and has a lower environmental impact. It is difficult to imagine our daily life without lithium-ion batteries. They dominate the small format battery market for portable electronic devices, and are also commonly used in electric vehicles. A
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sptrawler said:
Michelin getting into hydrogen production.
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Of all companies I'd have thought might get involved, that one's a definite surprise really. It's a completely different business and not a "natural" extension like oil / gas / electricity companies or even telecommunications or shipping. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
Of all companies I'd have thought might get involved, that one's a definite surprise really. It's a completely different business and not a "natural" extension like oil / gas / electricity companies or even telecommunications or shipping. :2twocents
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They obviously think it is a growth opportunity, in a field where no one at present has a natural advantage.
As I said in the early days of this thread, BEV's are the obvious go to technology in the early phase of E.V growth, as the up take becomes larger and the whole fleet of 1.4billion ICE cars are replaced, hydrogen then becomes more sustainable.
Add to that 4.2 million heavy trucks and 20million light trucks were made last year, like I said batteries are great ATM, but long term?

Just my opinion, and it will take some time, but when companies like Michelin can see the opportunity, there obviously is one. :2twocents
 
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