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Yes, Tesla should own all the charging stations like Toyota should own all the petrol pumps.
Commonality of charging adapters should be sorted out before it gets out of control.
In 1901 40% of cars were electric and 20% were petrol, the difference is development of ICE engines has come a long way, batteries haven't, but I'm sure that will change in the near future.
No actually it was range anxiety, same as today, but as I said batteries will improve rapidly now the requirement for ICE to be phased out.Also the fact that the electric light bulb was putting the USA oil industry out of business and kerosine sales plummeted, so the oil industry supported and pushed the automotive industry towards gasoline as a way to save their businesses.
But, just like almost none one today would prefer a kerosine lamp over an electric light bulb, so to will people prefer electric cars soon enough.
People probably thought wiring houses and creating a national electric grid was a crazy idea when electricity first started out, compared to building a national electric grid from scratch installing car chargers seems easy.
No, I am in favour of anyone building and owning charging stations, its just he chose a vehicle from a manufacturer that hasn't invested in building any charging infrastructure, which limits his options.
No actually it was range anxiety, same as today, but as I said batteries will improve rapidly now the requirement for ICE to be phased out.
It is a very interesting history.
From the wiki article I posted:
Acceptance of electric cars was initially hampered by a lack of power infrastructure, but by 1912, many homes were wired for electricity, enabling a surge in the popularity of the cars. In the United States by the turn of the century, 40 percent of automobiles were powered by steam, 38 percent by electricity, and 22 percent by gasoline. A total of 33,842 electric cars were registered in the United States, and the U.S. became the country where electric cars had gained the most acceptance.[37] Most early electric vehicles were massive, ornate carriages designed for the upper-class customers that made them popular. They featured luxurious interiors and were replete with expensive materials. Sales of electric cars peaked in the early 1910s.
In order to overcome the limited operating range of electric vehicles, and the lack of recharging infrastructure, an exchangeable battery service was first proposed as early as 1896.[38] The concept was first put into practice by Hartford Electric Light Company through the GeVeCo battery service and initially available for electric trucks. The vehicle owner purchased the vehicle from General Vehicle Company (GVC, a subsidiary of the General Electric Company) without a battery and the electricity was purchased from Hartford Electric through an exchangeable battery. The owner paid a variable per-mile charge and a monthly service fee to cover maintenance and storage of the truck. Both vehicles and batteries were modified to facilitate a fast battery exchange. The service was provided between 1910 and 1924 and during that period covered more than 6 million miles. Beginning in 1917 a similar successful service was operated in Chicago for owners of Milburn Wagon Company cars who also could buy the vehicle without the batteries.
Acceptance of electric cars was initially hampered by a lack of power infrastructure, but by 1912, many homes were wired for electricity, enabling a surge in the popularity of the cars. In the United States by the turn of the century, 40 percent of automobiles were powered by steam, 38 percent by electricity, and 22 percent by gasoline. A total of 33,842 electric cars were registered in the United States, and the U.S. became the country where electric cars had gained the most acceptance.[37] Most early electric vehicles were massive, ornate carriages designed for the upper-class customers that made them popular. They featured luxurious interiors and were replete with expensive materials. Sales of electric cars peaked in the early 1910s.
After enjoying success at the beginning of the 20th century, the electric car began to lose its position in the automobile market. A number of developments contributed to this situation. By the 1920s an improved road infrastructure improved travel times, creating a need for vehicles with a greater range than that offered by electric cars. Worldwide discoveries of large petroleum reserves led to the wide availability of affordable gasoline, making gas-powered cars cheaper to operate over long distances. Electric cars were limited to urban use by their slow speed (no more than 24–32 km/h or 15–20 mph[37]) and low range (50–65 km or 30–40 miles[37]), and gasoline cars were now able to travel farther and faster than equivalent electrics.
No one is disagreeing with you, it is just you said the oil companies put the electric cars behind the 8 ball, they didn't.If we went back 120 years, early adopters of ICE cars would have faced the same arguments from horse owners as EV drivers do toady from ICE car owners.
EG. if you were an early adopter of an ICE car, people would have thought a national Highway network of high speed refuelling stations was a pipe dream, and most towns wouldn't have had petrol stations, and you can bet you would have had range anxiety.
But building petrol stations as the number of cars grew wasn't an issue, and neither will building charging locations, because its its quicker and easier to build charging stations, and you can have your own private one at home.
So should Tesla charging stations be required by law to service any make of ev ?
Otherwise it would be like Toyota owning petrol stations that only served Toyotas ?
Electricity is the "fuel" that should be accessible to anyone, the same as petrol.
FWIW there was indeed massive scepticism about that one and a politics not dissimilar to today's.People probably thought wiring houses and creating a national electric grid was a crazy idea when electricity first started out
sadly, we have been saying that for a long time: and even the latest Tesla batteries, a HUGE step forward remain very very expensiveIn 1901 40% of cars were electric and 20% were petrol, the difference is development of ICE engines has come a long way, batteries haven't, but I'm sure that will change in the near future.
based on requirement, H2 is the way, not batteries for that specific useToyota to develop a fuel cell heavy haulage semi, for the North American market.
Toyota adds to hydrogen bet with North American fuel cell truck
The automaker did not provide a timeline for beginning sales of the Class 8 truck but said it would debut a prototype in the first half of 2021.www.japantimes.co.jp
The more to the party, the merrier. The more manufacturers that enter the space, the faster things improve, which is better for the buyer.Wallmart has tripled their order of Tesla Semi Trucks, and has committed to make 20% of their fleet electric by 2022View attachment 112832.
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