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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    197
The problem with that VC is you end up with the majority of work being low paid menial task based, higher wages are directed at higher skill levels where the business is trying to attract a more skilled workforce that can value add at all levels of the process. This usually involves making something, not just digging stuff out of the ground.

When the work demographic becomes mostly low paid, that then affects the tax revenue stream, which in turn affects the governments ability to supply welfare and public services.
So then the tax burden has to be changed to where the money is being made and their taxes have to be increased, which then makes their product more expensive and less competitive e.g our resources.

Vicious circle starts and ends up with a small section of the community very wealthy and the rest in poverty, which I suppose is o.k if you are in the wealthy camp, not so good if you are in the other camp.

As others have mentioned and something that built Australia to what it is today, companies should be made to value add here, or pay more for the resources they take. We mine and export all the materials required to make batteries, we should have a battery industry, we mine rare earths and process them in SE Asia, there should be a penalty for that. :2twocents

A perfect example of how easy it and sensible it would be, is unfolding as we speak in W.A.
The BP refinery at Kwinana is closing down in 6 months, on the Southern boundary of the complex is BHP brand new battery grade nickel processing plant, on the Northern boundary is the brand new nearly completed lithium hydroxide plant.
BP wants to move forward with technology and future fuels, they have the ideal place to build the worlds leading battery giga factory, will they?


I know there is more money in digging and offloading dirt and better share purchases, but it isn't much of a future for our grandkids. Meanwhile everyone, especially the media, has more to say about the U.S elections than this issue. ?

often the jobs we are sending over seas are the low income jobs in industries that people don’t want to work in.

eg, not many people aspire to working in sweat shops, sewing running shoes.

take Apple as an example their products are pretty much all made in China, however you can bet most of the revenue is going back to the USA and not China through wages and profits to USA based workers and shareholders.

I am not saying avoid all value added businesses, I am just saying do the ones that make sense, knowing that we can’t make everything, and would be worse off if we tried.
 
Autonomous driving cars will be great, but may be a way off yet, still technology moves quickly as we all know.
From the article:

During [the lap] something happened which apparently caused the steering control signal to go to NaN (Not a Number) and subsequently the steering locked to the maximum value to the right. When our car was given a permission to drive, the acceleration command went as normal but the steering was locked to the right,” he added.

“We are looking at the log values and can see that our controller was trying to steer the car back to the left, but the car did not execute the steering command due to a steering lock.”

“The desired trajectory was also good – the car definitely did not plan to go into the wall
.”
 
Autonomous driving cars will be great, but may be a way off yet, still technology moves quickly as we all know.
From the article:

During [the lap] something happened which apparently caused the steering control signal to go to NaN (Not a Number) and subsequently the steering locked to the maximum value to the right. When our car was given a permission to drive, the acceleration command went as normal but the steering was locked to the right,” he added.

“We are looking at the log values and can see that our controller was trying to steer the car back to the left, but the car did not execute the steering command due to a steering lock.”

“The desired trajectory was also good – the car definitely did not plan to go into the wall
.”

I think it will be sooner than you believe, but later than some of the cheer leaders think.
 
often the jobs we are sending over seas are the low income jobs in industries that people don’t want to work in.

eg, not many people aspire to working in sweat shops, sewing running shoes.

take Apple as an example their products are pretty much all made in China, however you can bet most of the revenue is going back to the USA and not China through wages and profits to USA based workers and shareholders.

I am not saying avoid all value added businesses, I am just saying do the ones that make sense, knowing that we can’t make everything, and would be worse off if we tried.
I agree with that VC, the problem I have is as I said, when you are solely dependent on your imports from the country you are dependent on for your exports it is a very exposed position as is being shown at the moment.

It is great, untill it isn't, now we are worrying about wheat, when they get a supply chain for iron ore from Africa or our easily extracted iron ore runs out, what then?
 
Even bentley's going electric.
Actually somewhat easier with an expensive car since equipping it with enough battery capacity to give it a decent range is a trivial % of the vehicle’s total cost.

It’s more difficult with a cheap car where doing the same adds a far greater % to the vehicle’s cost.
 
Actually somewhat easier with an expensive car since equipping it with enough battery capacity to give it a decent range is a trivial % of the vehicle’s total cost.

It’s more difficult with a cheap car where doing the same adds a far greater % to the vehicle’s cost.
No doubt. But also a noise & comfort thing - no NVH from an electric engine, it's almost completely silent. Aside from tyres on the road and wind over the car (and the cars have a ridiculous amount of sound deadening), an electric bentley would be like driving a cloud.
 
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Giggity. Triple bagger not far off now. Will be interesting to see if it goes berserk tomorrow once today's run hits the news enough/enough people read about it or everyone take profits and nosedive it.

I'm not planning on selling either way.
 
No doubt. But also a noise & comfort thing - no NVH from an electric engine, it's almost completely silent. Aside from tyres on the road and wind over the car (and the cars have a ridiculous amount of sound deadening), an electric bentley would be like driving a cloud.
but is noiseless a plus? Will they add a low rumbling humming to remind the owner he spent 1m+ and not drive like any commoner/hipster in a Tesla or worse an electric taxi in Shenzhen for $5
 
South Australia to introduce an electric car tax, based on a fixed charge and a distance travelled charge, my guess it will be monitored and if it works well adopted Australia wide.
The State is also going to install 200 charging stations.

 
South Australia to introduce an electric car tax, based on a fixed charge and a distance travelled charge, my guess it will be monitored and if it works well adopted Australia wide.
The State is also going to install 200 charging stations.

Step by step freedom is going, will not be long before for a probably good reason, every car move will be tracked in RT.this is paradise for the authoritarian governments we are all now getting
 
Step by step freedom is going, will not be long before for a probably good reason, every car move will be tracked in RT.this is paradise for the authoritarian governments we are all now getting
With the advent of electric vehicles, the ability to remote stop them, will stop a lot of police car chases. I suppose legislation will have to be passed to authorise its use, certainly is interesting times approaching IMO.
 
With the advent of electric vehicles, the ability to remote stop them, will stop a lot of police car chases. I suppose legislation will have to be passed to authorise its use, certainly is interesting times approaching IMO.
Or to crash a car at high speed in a wall if you dare to question a pandemic or a vote result...
 
I just think it is great the South Australian Government is standing up to the plate and moving forward with it, rather than the "green" lobby group pushing for the Federal Government to subsidies their expenditure, with tax payers money.
The States will benefit from E.V uptake, the E.V companies will be making plenty of money, why should taxpayers have to subsidies being forced to change their cars? They don't make any money out of it.
 
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