Value Collector
Have courage, and be kind.
- Joined
- 13 January 2014
- Posts
- 12,238
- Reactions
- 8,485
Moxjo, like everyone else, you are always entitled to your own particular opinion.
Very much like Australia and it's reliance on depleting mineral resources, that we are riding into the ground, much like Ford and GM are doing with ICE.Ford and GM are classic examples of companies which failed to adapt to change indeed they actively tried to resist it in order to pursue short term profit at the expense of tomorrow. The problem with that is that tomorrow does come.
Now they're playing catchup and it may well be too late.
I don't worship celebrities, far from it, but as a basis for research music's not a bad one given the abundance of bands and singers and information about them.As I said earlier the fact Walt Disney wasn't the best cartoonist is irrelevant, he could recognise good animation, understood story telling, and could inspire a team, I think Elon and Steve jobs are in the same category, there are heaps of great engineers sitting around, it takes a leader with big ideas to give the great engineers projects to work on, and push them to be their best, and blend multiple disciplines.
Great at grandstanding in front of a crowd.
And that's all you need to succeed.
I am also not sure why people think that Elon is a slick talker, he is pretty socially awkward, I can you really watch the first few minutes of this and honestly think his strength in public speaking???
Its not his public speaking that has got him where he is, its understanding what's possible and what is needed, and building a team that can bring his vision to life, which he has done multiple times.
Key term there is fan boy.Between social media and fan boy stadium events
Apple kicked Steve out of the company, and then nearly went broke, Steve came back and saved the company.From memory apple nearly went broke and I think microsoft had to in some way help them out, then they went from strengh to strengh.
Right place, right time, second time.
It is all about timing IMO.
Elon has nailed it, right place, right product, right time.
His day in the sun might not last, but he is riding it well, you have to give him credit.
Absolutely Tesla use the same batteries as most other manufacturers, it is all about wrapping and selling the dream.?
I think it’s a bit misleading to make him out to be a talentless promoter that got lucky, when he seems to be very smart in identifying tough problems and identifying solutions.
That is problem IMO, Tesla has opened a factory in that country, whether they can protect their intelectual property remains to be seen.Well whatever he is we need entrepreneurs like him to at least take some of the boredom out of life and make us believe that there are better times ahead.
Whether he will overreach and bankrupt the company in the future remains to be seen.
He produces good products which is always a sign that he's got his head screwed on the right way as long as you know who doesn't steal it and produces cheap imitations that drive everyone else out of the market.
I know they didn't file patents for spacex because they were worried China would just steal it.Pretty sure Tesla’s technology is open source....
I still don't understand where you are coming from and maybe that's where we leave it.
For the record.
1) No way was I a fan of Holmes. The Wiki story was very clear that she was essentially a promoter and a fraud from the beginning. The concept of getting hundreds of test results from a small thumb prick was fundamentally impossible.
2) I highlighted the current crisis with Nikola because it raised the issue of fraud in business and in particular the stock market. From my perspective far too much money has been made through the stock market by creating vapourware and ramping implausible and often impossible projects. If these frauds aren't quickly detected and stopped I suggest honest enterprises will suffer and essentially the profits will end in the hands of conmen and grifters. It is simply far eeasier and less risky to make billions of dollars from spruiking dodgy companies than actually making and selling a worthwhile product.
3) Elon likely stole every idea ?That is just snide. He of all company heads has a strong suit in coming up with imaginative ideas and then finding the people who can make them happen.
The Hindenberg report on Nikola is extensive and detailed. It also manages to highlight may other people who have constructed backstories to create faith in their current Big Lie.
Our Conclusion: Nikola is a Massive Fraud Constructed on Dozens of Lies
Sometimes people misspeak by accident. No one has a perfect memory, and we all occasionally get things wrong.
But what we have witnessed at Nikola, and specifically from Trevor Milton, is a pattern of well-planned and deliberate acts of deception ranging from (a) the staging of non-working products as if fully functional, wrapped in numerous lies about capabilities that don’t exist; (b) the staging of misleading videos, which require extensive premeditation, planning and execution; (c) material lies about capabilities, partnerships and products that simply do not exist at all, on video and often in front of entire rooms full of people; and (d) a culture of secrecy and intimidation that to this point has largely kept it all under wraps.
We think Trevor Milton is incapable of telling the truth. We believe he lies like most people breathe. It is natural for him, and our extensive review of his history suggests it has been this way throughout his entire business career.
Every now and then a story comes around that exposes how little the “experts” really know. Theranos had inked partnerships with Walgreens, Safeway, and Cleveland Clinic and had staffed its board with luminaries. Madoff raised billions in capital from sophisticated investors across the globe.
The remarkable thing about Nikola’s story is not that someone like Trevor Milton exists, but that he has managed to parlay his stories and lies into deals with some of the best manufacturers and partners in the world by claiming to own vast proprietary technology and having successfully built revolutionary products that simply didn’t exist.
He transformed these deceptions and false promises into an empire that at one point was valued at $34 billion, larger than Ford and Fiat Chrysler. He’s signed deals with GM, Anheuser Busch, Bosch, Worthington, and a slew of significant automotive players. He received investment from Fidelity and ValueAct, among other name-brand institutions.
We truly think Nikola is both a sign of the times and a story for the ages.
That is problem IMO, Tesla has opened a factory in that country, whether they can protect their intelectual property remains to be seen.
Tesla on the other hand is building on a proven history of technology achievements and actual production. The battery day announcements may not have the boom elements that some people look for from Tesla, but the research, plans and strategies to remake the world car industry in the next 3 years are still breath taking.
Tesla has developed new battery technologies that will halve the cost of batteries, do away with cobalt, recycle old batteries and increase power and battery life by 50% . And they say they will be able to produce these for millions of cars in 3 years time. And they have the runs on the board to give people confidence this will happen.
.
Apple kicked Steve out of the company, and then nearly went broke, Steve came back and saved the company.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?