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8 Sep: Nikola announces a 2 billion dollar deal with GM to produce their electric/hybrid pickup truck: https://electrek.co/2020/09/08/nikola-gm-electric-hydrogen-pickup-truck-badger/
10 Sep: Hindenburg research, short sellers of nikola, allege massive fraud by the company: https://hindenburgresearch.com/nikola/
15 Sep: The SEC AND justice department announce investigations into said alleged fraud: https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a34041393/justice-dept-sec-probe-fraud-at-nikola/
20 Sep: Nikola founder RESIGNS: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanoh...short-sellers-fraud-accusations/#70fc618418e0
Ooooh boy is tonight going to be ugly. Great news for anyone exposed to tesla & nio though
(Disclosure: I hold tesla & nio. I chose not to buy nikola when I was looking at all three. Sure glad I didn't now.)
I wonder how much Hindenburg end up making off of this (I.e whether they'll tell us or not). This is the kind of thing documentaries are made about.
Steve jobs and elon musk are wankers to the highest order. But they get sht done.
They push people to achieve their goals or vision. Great at grandstanding in front of a crowd.
And that's all you need to succeed.
Really ?? If pushing people and grandstanding in front of crowd was all that was necessary then the founder of Nikola Trevor Milton would also be home and hosed. As would a number of other arch promoters and grandstanders .
I think Steve and Elon had a lot more going for them as visionaries, leaders and achievers than many other B/S story tellers.
Really? If that were the case Elisabeth Holmes wouldn't have been a thing. Right place, right time...
California to Ban Sales of New Gas-Powered Cars Starting in 2035
Gov. Gavin Newsom signed an order that aims to end the sale of new gasoline and diesel-powered passenger cars in the state by 2035.www.wsj.com
California bans sale of internal combustion cars from 2035.
It's not the first place in the world to do it: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40726868#:~:text=In London, the city's Mayor,drive one you currently own.
Ford and GM are classic examples of companies which failed to adapt to change indeed they actively tried to resist it in order to pursue short term profit at the expense of tomorrow. The problem with that is that tomorrow does come.Ford's net postion is around $150 Billion net Debt and their bonds are rated junk ... This news from California isn't seeming like something that's going to help their situation...And GM(slightly 'better' debt position) thinks Nikola is/was going to aid them...
I didn't say grandstanding alone in my original post. Holmes is an example of being that one dimensional. Grandstanding got her a long way. All she did was imitate steve jobs.What do you mean Moxjo ? Yes Elisabeth Holmes started a mercurial health care company and became a multi billionaire .
It turned out to be a fraud, much like Nikola, and was undone through much investigative journalism.
I didn't say grandstanding alone in my original post. Holmes is an example of being that one dimensional. Grandstanding got her a long way. All she did was imitate steve jobs.
Have you read their histories from an author that wasn't a fan boy?
Anyway their PR skills outweighed their technical abilities.
They stood on the shoulders of the people around them.
For example:
Steve wozniak was a technical genius that made Apple 1 and 2 but he was a shy introvert.
Tony Fadell was the inventor of the ipod.
Elon likely stole every idea.
Here's what I said:I still don't understand where you are coming from and maybe that's where we leave it.
For the record.
1) No way was I a fan of Holmes. The Wiki story was very clear that she was essentially a promoter and a fraud from the beginning. The concept of getting hundreds of test results from a small thumb prick was fundamentally impossible.
2) I highlighted the current crisis with Nikola because it raised the issue of fraud in business and in particular the stock market. From my perspective far too much money has been made through the stock market by creating vapourware and ramping implausible and often impossible projects. If these frauds aren't quickly detected and stopped I suggest honest enterprises will suffer and essentially the profits will end in the hands of conmen and grifters. It is simply far eeasier and less risky to make billions of dollars from spruiking dodgy companies than actually making and selling a worthwhile product.
3) Elon likely stole every idea ?That is just snide. He of all company heads has a strong suit in coming up with imaginative ideas and then finding the people who can make them happen.
The Hindenberg report on Nikola is extensive and detailed. It also manages to highlight may other people who have constructed backstories to create faith in their current Big Lie.
Our Conclusion: Nikola is a Massive Fraud Constructed on Dozens of Lies
Sometimes people misspeak by accident. No one has a perfect memory, and we all occasionally get things wrong.
But what we have witnessed at Nikola, and specifically from Trevor Milton, is a pattern of well-planned and deliberate acts of deception ranging from (a) the staging of non-working products as if fully functional, wrapped in numerous lies about capabilities that don’t exist; (b) the staging of misleading videos, which require extensive premeditation, planning and execution; (c) material lies about capabilities, partnerships and products that simply do not exist at all, on video and often in front of entire rooms full of people; and (d) a culture of secrecy and intimidation that to this point has largely kept it all under wraps.
We think Trevor Milton is incapable of telling the truth. We believe he lies like most people breathe. It is natural for him, and our extensive review of his history suggests it has been this way throughout his entire business career.
Every now and then a story comes around that exposes how little the “experts” really know. Theranos had inked partnerships with Walgreens, Safeway, and Cleveland Clinic and had staffed its board with luminaries. Madoff raised billions in capital from sophisticated investors across the globe.
The remarkable thing about Nikola’s story is not that someone like Trevor Milton exists, but that he has managed to parlay his stories and lies into deals with some of the best manufacturers and partners in the world by claiming to own vast proprietary technology and having successfully built revolutionary products that simply didn’t exist.
He transformed these deceptions and false promises into an empire that at one point was valued at $34 billion, larger than Ford and Fiat Chrysler. He’s signed deals with GM, Anheuser Busch, Bosch, Worthington, and a slew of significant automotive players. He received investment from Fidelity and ValueAct, among other name-brand institutions.
We truly think Nikola is both a sign of the times and a story for the ages.
Here's what you said:Steve jobs and elon musk are wankers to the highest order. But they get sht done.
They push people to achieve their goals or vision. Great at grandstanding in front of a crowd.
And that's all you need to succeed.
They pushed and used the people around them.Really ?? If pushing people and grandstanding in front of crowd was all that was necessary then the founder of Nikola Trevor Milton would also be home and hosed. As would a number of other arch promoters and grandstanders .
I think Steve and Elon had a lot more going for them as visionaries, leaders and achievers than many other B/S story tellers.
Its 2020 bas, the year yesterday's heros are unmasked.Moxjo, like everyone else, you are always entitled to your own particular opinion.
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