Electric cars?

[Smurf1976]

a Uni degree is just a piece of paper that shows you have studied some stuff and passed some exams, it doesn’t mean you have more knowledge than a person that has dedicated their life to working in a specific field.

I'll keep out of this "mine's bigger than yours" contest but I'll note that there are some very sharp people without formal education in the relevant fields and there are some fools with it.

Just because someone didn't have the opportunity to attend school through to year 12 and then go to uni doesn't prove they weren't capable. Nor does the fact that they have a degree prove that they've any real talent when it comes to applying it.

If someone's been operating a machine every day for the past 20 years then fair chance they know things about its real world behaviour that even the original designer would struggle with. A point comes where they just know that the slight change in sound that most wouldn't even notice means x needs attention and so on.

There's some very clever people out there despite their lack of formal qualifications in the relevant field and that's a point that the smarter engineers, managers and so on readily acknowledge. Always ask the tradies, operators or whoever's at the coalface if they've any input to add.

Likewise just because someone isn't great with geography or language doesn't mean they aren't a near genius with finance or physics. Etc.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

I'll keep out of this "mine's bigger than yours" contest but I'll note that there are some very sharp people without formal education in the relevant fields and there are some fools with it.

Just because someone didn't have the opportunity to attend school through to year 12 and then go to uni doesn't prove they weren't capable. Nor does the fact that they have a degree prove that they've any real talent when it comes to applying it.

If someone's been operating a machine every day for the past 20 years then fair chance they know things about its real world behaviour that even the original designer would struggle with. A point comes where they just know that the slight change in sound that most wouldn't even notice means x needs attention and so on.

There's some very clever people out there despite their lack of formal qualifications in the relevant field and that's a point that the smarter engineers, managers and so on readily acknowledge. Always ask the tradies, operators or whoever's at the coalface if they've any input to add.

Likewise just because someone isn't great with geography or language doesn't mean they aren't a near genius with finance or physics. Etc.

The point of difference is that I consider Elon to be a celebrity and entrepreneur, not an inventor or engineer.

That is my opinion. The problem is that some people here just can't accept that people have opinions that are different to their own. It is all very school yard bullying and childish to be honest.

I see Elon Musk like an American version of Richard Branson and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Smurf1976]

I consider Elon to be a celebrity and entrepreneur, not an inventor or engineer.

I don't know the truth about his technical abilities but agreed that his key value is that of celebrity, salesman, entrepreneur and so on. He can convince others what needs to happen and sell the message, that's where he seems able to succeed but many have previously failed.

If he can do some engineering then that's a bonus but it's not crucial. So long as he can generate demand for the products, it doesn't really matter who designs the detail so long as it works.

It reminds me of a trades business I had some dealings with. The other workers struggled to grasp that the most disorganised and unproductive worker was in fact their most valuable for one very simple reason. He was brilliant at quoting the jobs and getting customers to sign up for the premium option and bringing $$$ into the business. Anything else he did was really just a bonus but not critical - there's plenty of people who can do the work as such but not many who can convince customers that the highest priced quote is the one they should choose.

 

[basilio]

Just for interest, check out the Wiki page on Elon Musk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

I don't know the truth about his technical abilities but agreed that his key value is that of celebrity, salesman, entrepreneur and so on. He can convince others what needs to happen and sell the message, that's where he seems able to succeed but many have previously failed.

If he can do some engineering then that's a bonus but it's not crucial. So long as he can generate demand for the products, it doesn't really matter who designs the detail so long as it works.

It reminds me of a trades business I had some dealings with. The other workers struggled to grasp that the most disorganised and unproductive worker was in fact their most valuable for one very simple reason. He was brilliant at quoting the jobs and getting customers to sign up for the premium option and bringing $$$ into the business. Anything else he did was really just a bonus but not critical - there's plenty of people who can do the work as such but not many who can convince customers that the highest priced quote is the one they should choose.

Yes, Elon is not an inventor or engineer. Yes, Elon is a salesman. Yes, you should be careful; you don't know if I know people who know people that work for NASA. So probably best to be nice, maybe Boeing and Lockheed will fark Space X in around 5 years.

Just for interest, check out the Wiki page on Elon Musk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

Elon, should stick to his cage fights with Johnny Depp.

Elon would not even know that on a 747-400 aircraft that the little orange beacons, at the exits of aircrafts, are transmitters that can be activated with urine.

So I suggest you and your Elon crowd take a back seat.

 

[cutz]

Elon would not even know that on a 747-400 aircraft that the little orange beacons, at the exits of aircrafts, are transmitters that can be activated with urine.

Hey buddy,

You're kidding yeah ? What are you referring to here ?

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Hey buddy,

You're kidding yeah ? What are you referring to here ?

No I am not.

Piss on the orange beacons at each 747 aircraft exit door and see what happens.

Don't tell me Elon knew this!

 

[cutz]

No I am not.

Piss on the orange beacons at each 747 aircraft exit door and see what happens.

Don't tell me Elon knew this!

Sorry mate, I've come in late into the conversation, missed the inside joke..

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Sorry mate, I've come in late into the conversation, missed the inside joke..

All good; I was just taking this piss out of Elon. Pun intended

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Sorry mate, I've come in late into the conversation, missed the inside joke..

Just to let you know; Boeing and Lockheed will destroy Space X within 5 years. Better tell IQ-tel to rebalance;

There are a some very intelligent people in the world, far more intelligent than Elon and the idiots that buy his stock.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Arrivederci, adios, auf wiedersehen, bon voyage and
antio sas.

No more posts now from me.

 

[sptrawler]

The point of difference is that I consider Elon to be a celebrity and entrepreneur, not an inventor or engineer.

That is my opinion. The problem is that some people here just can't accept that people have opinions that are different to their own. It is all very school yard bullying and childish to be honest.

I see Elon Musk like an American version of Richard Branson and there is nothing wrong with that.

Elon Musk is one step ahead of failure, but isn't that how many of billionaire's make it? Take Twiggy Forrest, Allan Bond etc they usually make a fortune by making other people buy into the dream.
Some make it, others crash and burn, but very few who don't have a dream get to first base.
Sometimes knowledge and technical ability can be the thing that limits the imagination and creativity.

 

[over9k]

If you're replying to chronos, he'll be serious. I wouldn't worry, he's the resident forum loon. Half the members here (including me) have him on ignore.

 

[Value Collector]

Just for interest, check out the Wiki page on Elon Musk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

Definitely achieved more than most of us could in multiple lifetimes, but haters are going to hate regardless (I would like to understand the psychology behind what makes people like chronos flipped their lid when it comes to Elon or Tesla, Tall poppy syndrome maybe???).

 

[SirRumpole]

Elon Musk is one step ahead of failure, but isn't that how many of billionaire's make it? Take Twiggy Forrest, Allan Bond etc they usually make a fortune by making other people buy into the dream.
Some make it, others crash and burn, but very few who don't have a dream get to first base.
Sometimes knowledge and technical ability can be the thing that limits the imagination and creativity.

Absolutely. The geniuses are the ones who can properly select and manage the best people to carry out their big ideas, and also have the modesty to admit they may be wrong if the experts tell them their big ideas are cr@p.

That's not to say that experts can't be wrong too.

 

[Value Collector]

There's some very clever people out there despite their lack of formal qualifications in the relevant field and that's a point that the smarter engineers, managers and so on readily acknowledge. Always ask the tradies, operators or whoever's at the coalface if they've any input to add.
.

Also, its worthwhile remembering that before something can be taught in a university, the idea or concept has to be discovered, invented or in some way created and that often comes about through practical experience by some one who didn't learn it at University.

Eg. I doubt the guy that invented arched bridges or dome roofs learn went to Uni.

Even Benjamin Graham, who's Books are still used in finance courses at various universities never studied finance at university, he literally invented an investment approach that has been adopted into university courses without himself ever having a formal ducats in the field.

 

[Value Collector]

Absolutely. The geniuses are the ones who can properly select and manage the best people to carry out their big ideas, and also have the modesty to admit they may be wrong if the experts tell them their big ideas are cr@p.

That's not to say that experts can't be wrong too.

You can add Walt Disney to that list, he was a mediocre cartoonist himself, but he knew what a great animated film would look like, and understood good story telling, and he dedicated his life and every scrap of cash he could muster to build and film studio build on animation.

Whether its Walt Disney, Steve Jobs, Henry Ford, Bill Gates or Elon Musk there is always someone that gets a jealous steak and gets all twisted up and wants to pull them down.

 

[SirRumpole]

You can add Walt Disney to that list, he was a mediocre cartoonist himself, but he knew what a great animated film would look like, and understood good story telling, and he dedicated his life and every scrap of cash he could muster to build and film studio build on animation.

Whether its Walt Disney, Steve Jobs, Henry Ford, Bill Gates or Elon Musk there is always someone that gets a jealous steak and gets all twisted up and wants to pull them down.

I admire all those people for their entrepreneurship. As far as Musk goes I wasn't happy with the remark he made about a cave diver when the diver said thanks but no thanks to Musk's offer of a submarine and Musk got his knickers in a twist.

However you don't have to be a nice person to be a good businessman.

 

[basilio]

I admire all those people for their entrepreneurship. As far as Musk goes I wasn't happy with the remark he made about a cave diver when the diver said thanks but no thanks to Musk's offer of a submarine and Musk got his knickers in a twist.

However you don't have to be a nice person to be a good businessman.

That response from Elon was dumb an nasty. But looking at his vision and achievements - certainly something special.

I also have a memory of him taking a hands on role in re organising his car factories at one stage when it was all getting difficult. Surprised me I have to say.

When the company failed to meet its output for Model X SUVs because the falcon-wing doors were so hard to fit, “Elon moved into the factory for two weeks,” said a former Tesla executive who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal company matters. “He was sleeping in a sleeping bag — real-time triaging cars at the end of the line trying to get to the root cause of what the issues were. It was wild.”

Musk also got hands-on when the company was facing a lag because of paint. “Elon wasn’t satisfied,” the former executive said, “and so he took over the paint shop. He ran the paint shop for two weeks.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...factory-being-cusp-launching-crew-into-space/

 

[SirRumpole]

That response from Elon was dumb an nasty. But looking at his vision and achievements - certainly something special.

I also have a memory of him taking a hands on role in re organising his car factories at one stage when it was all getting difficult. Surprised me I have to say.

When the company failed to meet its output for Model X SUVs because the falcon-wing doors were so hard to fit, “Elon moved into the factory for two weeks,” said a former Tesla executive who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal company matters. “He was sleeping in a sleeping bag — real-time triaging cars at the end of the line trying to get to the root cause of what the issues were. It was wild.”

Musk also got hands-on when the company was facing a lag because of paint. “Elon wasn’t satisfied,” the former executive said, “and so he took over the paint shop. He ran the paint shop for two weeks.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...factory-being-cusp-launching-crew-into-space/

Yep, I like that.

Show the underlings how things should be done, don't just tell them.