Electric cars?

Value Collector · 14 July 2020

Chronos-Plutus said:
How much is this all going to cost?

What's to stop someone pulling the cord out?

did you watch the video?

the cord locks itself at both ends.

The system is paid for by the users, you tell the company which street you want the charges installed, and they give you their charging cable and the charging fee is deducted from your Credit card.

And you can use your cable in any street where the sockets have been installed around the country, for every member that signs up they add 2 or 3 new sockets.

But this is just one example of how it can be done, there are many many solutions out there, none of them very difficult, which solutions stick and become common will be up to Th he market.

qldfrog · 14 July 2020

over9k said:
Let's take the edge off here for a moment:

Can someone tell me why my whole "plug it into the charging stations in the hotel carpark" scenario won't come to pass? The hotel already has a beefy power connection, so just flick them a few extra bucks, plug it in, and have a fully charged car in the morning?

Same goes for just plugging it into the wall of your house's garage, worst case getting 3 phase electricity installed? Battery tech is already good enough for a commuting, runabout etc car?

I just don't see how much really needs to be done at all if we can get battery tech to the point of being able to do a day trip in one charge.

quick answer based on own example:
as a hobby farm pool 2 freezers, electric oven and cottage with A/C fridge etc are big power users around 25kwh a day;
that is the same as would be needed for 1 car to do 100km
But we have 3 cars, when working each car just for commuting was doing a minimum of 50km and the guest at the cottage have a minimum 1 car doing a minimum 50km->4x50km
going electric would see my house power consumption jump from 25kwh a day to a minimum of
25+50=75kWh a day;
trippling my house domestic consumption, the lot at night so no help from solar panels
imagine the result for the cables at the beginning of the street...
so can you double or tripple your domestic home/unit consumption;

just looking at network and end of line infrastructure..will cause issue...

Value Collector · 14 July 2020

over9k said:
The problem is that the batteries don't last long enough for electric cars to be practical. If they did, absolutely everyone would own one as electricity is waaaay cheaper per km than petrol. Way cheaper.

Tesla batteries will last about 700,000 kms, and by that time would have saved you about $75,000 so the batteries certainly last long enough to be very practical.

Not to mention that if in 15 years you need a new battery the will probably be much cheaper by then, and trading in your old battery for a new one for $10,000 that allows you to save another $75,000 doesn’t seem like a bad investment.

moXJO · 14 July 2020

Everyone parked on the street in Redfern. The idea we could put charger's everywhere is bunk. We had some in a local shopping centre that were vandalised in the first week. They were continued to be vandalised till they were removed.

I also know plenty of families with 3-5 cars and everyone works.

Then there is the specialist training that's required to maintain EVs along with parts. Just because a few wankers with Tesla's can wait a few weeks for a fix doesn't mean it scales into an economy of size.

If they sort the battery issue out I think EVs will begin to take. And as I understand it tesla is on that now. The battery is the key. If its cheaper and last longer between charges, then it will solve a lot of problems.

Chronos-Plutus · 14 July 2020

Value Collector said:
did you watch the video?

the cord locks itself at both ends.

The system is paid for by the users, you tell the company which street you want the charges installed, and they give you their charging cable and the charging fee is deducted from your Credit card.

And you can use your cable in any street where the sockets have been installed around the country, for every member that signs up they add 2 or 3 new sockets.

But this is just one example of how it can be done, there are many many solutions out there, none of them very difficult, which solutions stick and become common will be up to Th he market.

OK; so we can also add these costs of manufacture, installation, and maintenance into our calculations.

We have to do this for residential streets/areas also I suppose. No doubt significant costs to move trees, work around narrow footpaths, and so on.

qldfrog · 14 July 2020

sptrawler said:
I think it will only be a matter of time before cars become a luxury, as they were 50 years ago, the roads will probably be ruled by autonomous ride share vehicles and public transport. Just my opinion

until the next virus, but the pauperisation of Australia might see this forecast be true anyway

moXJO · 14 July 2020

Value Collector said:
Tesla batteries will last about 700,000 kms, and by that time would have saved you about $75,000 so the batteries certainly last long enough to be very practical.

Not to mention that if in 15 years you need a new battery the will probably be much cheaper by then, and trading in your old battery for a new one for $10,000 that allows you to save another $75,000 doesn’t seem like a bad investment.

Get back to us when you hit 300k. I've had trouble with battery cells before. They can last forever, or a month.

Chronos-Plutus · 14 July 2020

Value Collector said:
Tesla batteries will last about 700,000 kms, and by that time would have saved you about $75,000 so the batteries certainly last long enough to be very practical.

Not to mention that if in 15 years you need a new battery the will probably be much cheaper by then, and trading in your old battery for a new one for $10,000 that allows you to save another $75,000 doesn’t seem like a bad investment.

OK; you have just read your own bedtime story now.

Chronos-Plutus · 14 July 2020

Value Collector said:
did you watch the video?

the cord locks itself at both ends.

The system is paid for by the users, you tell the company which street you want the charges installed, and they give you their charging cable and the charging fee is deducted from your Credit card.

And you can use your cable in any street where the sockets have been installed around the country, for every member that signs up they add 2 or 3 new sockets.

But this is just one example of how it can be done, there are many many solutions out there, none of them very difficult, which solutions stick and become common will be up to Th he market.

Where are the UK going to get the energy from?

More windmills?

Value Collector · 14 July 2020

qldfrog said:
quick answer based on own example:
as a hobby farm pool 2 freezers, electric oven and cottage with A/C fridge etc are big power users around 25kwh a day;
that is the same as would be needed for 1 car to do 100km
But we have 3 cars, when working each car just for commuting was doing a minimum of 50km and the guest at the cottage have a minimum 1 car doing a minimum 50km->4x50km
going electric would see my house power consumption jump from 25kwh a day to a minimum of
25+50=75kWh a day;
trippling my house domestic consumption, the lot at night so no help from solar panels
imagine the result for the cables at the beginning of the street...
so can you double or tripple your domestic home/unit consumption;

just looking at network and end of line infrastructure..will cause issue...

I have a 50kwh battery on my Tesla, and it get 400km on a battery, so 25 KWH for 200 kms seems a bit much.

qldfrog · 14 July 2020

Chronos-Plutus said:
Where is the QLDFrog? Are we going to finish our exercise?

must have missed a post? a quick basic computation would required a doubling to tripling of my home consumption if moved to EV for own cars and cottage visitors, just for 50km a day drive per car, so no big travel or delivery job..reproduce that along the street and we need a new infrastructure, even with slow chargers

over9k · 14 July 2020

Value Collector said:
Tesla batteries will last about 700,000 kms, and by that time would have saved you about $75,000 so the batteries certainly last long enough to be very practical.

Not to mention that if in 15 years you need a new battery the will probably be much cheaper by then, and trading in your old battery for a new one for $10,000 that allows you to save another $75,000 doesn’t seem like a bad investment.

Sorry by last I mean capacity - you can't do a day or weekend trip with the whole thing packed, kids, wife, towing the boat etc etc.

The moment that range isn't an issue is the moment electric cars take over.

qldfrog · 14 July 2020

over9k said:
Why couldn't we do that?

too busy a thread, by the time I do a few computations, even with the ignore on , posts have aged;
quick answer, even that simple solution would probably mean x 2 and most probably x3 at the very least your home consumption, and the suburban grid can not accept that , maybe even the last cable to your home if reproduced on every house and charged all in the evening when back from work;
also assume that you have your own garage which is getting rarer with the urban fill-in concept now favored by the greens!!
more with less

over9k · 14 July 2020

qldfrog said:
quick answer based on own example:
as a hobby farm pool 2 freezers, electric oven and cottage with A/C fridge etc are big power users around 25kwh a day;
that is the same as would be needed for 1 car to do 100km
But we have 3 cars, when working each car just for commuting was doing a minimum of 50km and the guest at the cottage have a minimum 1 car doing a minimum 50km->4x50km
going electric would see my house power consumption jump from 25kwh a day to a minimum of
25+50=75kWh a day;
trippling my house domestic consumption, the lot at night so no help from solar panels
imagine the result for the cables at the beginning of the street...
so can you double or tripple your domestic home/unit consumption;

just looking at network and end of line infrastructure..will cause issue...

qldfrog said:
too busy a thread, by the time I do a few computations, even with the ignore on , posts have aged;
quick answer, even that simple solution would probably mean x 2 and most probably x3 at the very least your home consumption, and the suburban grid can not accept that , maybe even the last cable to your home if reproduced on every house and charged all in the evening when back from work;
also assume that you have your own garage which is getting rarer with the urban fill-in concept now favored by the greens!!
more with less

Not an issue unless you increase your PEAK consumption usage frog

Chronos-Plutus · 14 July 2020

qldfrog said:
too busy a thread, by the time I do a few computations, even with the ignore on , posts have aged;
quick answer, even that simple solution would probably mean x 2 and most probably x3 at the very least your home consumption, and the suburban grid can not accept that , maybe even the last cable to your home if reproduced on every house and charged all in the evening when back from work;
also assume that you have your own garage which is getting rarer with the urban fill-in concept now favored by the greens!!
more with less

This has been going on all day, back and forth.

I will do more work on the exercise tomorrow, then we can adjust it once I have posted it.

Chronos-Plutus · 14 July 2020

over9k said:
Not an issue unless you increase your PEAK consumption usage frog

Where is the additional baseload coming from in the off-peak?

The sun isn't shining during the night, we have been shutting down baseload power stations, not building them.

Value Collector · 14 July 2020

Chronos-Plutus said:
OK; you have just read your own bedtime story now.

The current Tesla battery pack is rated to between 480,000km and 800,000 km.

I thought you were researching? Shouldn’t you already know this stuff before you come out with such strong opinions.

the battery they are working on now will have a life over 1,600,000 km.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/the...le-barrier-and-the-implications-are-huge/amp/

Value Collector · 14 July 2020

Chronos-Plutus said:
Where are the UK going to get the energy from?

More windmills?

solar, wind, Hydro, coal, gas, oil, Etc etc

I thought we have been through this, you are like a gold fish.

Chronos-Plutus · 14 July 2020

Value Collector said:
The current Tesla battery pack is rated to between 480,000km and 800,000 km.

I thought you were researching? Shouldn’t you already know this stuff before you come out with such strong opinions.

the battery they are working on now will have a life over 1,600,000 km.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/the...le-barrier-and-the-implications-are-huge/amp/

480,000km and 800,000 km.

That is a massive gap!

Chronos-Plutus · 14 July 2020

Value Collector said:
solar, wind, Hydro, coal, gas, oil, Etc etc

I thought we have been through this, you are like a gold fish.

The sun isn't very bright in the UK.

Off-shore wind will compromise marine navigation.

Not much coal left in the UK.

North Sea oil is severely depleted.

Where is the Hydro?

Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

Already own one

Yes - would definitely buy

Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

No - would never buy one

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Would you buy an electric car?

Already own one

Yes - would definitely buy

Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

No - would never buy one

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