Electric cars? for Aspies, Narcissists and Power Grid people

[Chronos-Plutus]

And there in lies the issue, the taxpayer pays to install the infrastructure, so they then be forced to change at their cost while the suppliers of the products can keep their profit margins.
Labor policy at its best.

I think the Greens have hijacked Labor's energy policy; that's why it is so disconnected from reality.

 

[SirRumpole]

Labor policy at its best.

As opposed to what ?

 

[rederob]

And there in lies the issue, the taxpayer pays to install the infrastructure, so they then be forced to change at their cost while the suppliers of the products can keep their profit margins.
If EV's are cheaper to build for the auto companies and fuel companies are going to lose out and power companies are going to gain, why would the tax payer pay to roll out the infrastructure? That forces the taxpayer to replace their vehicle, while making the auto companies and power generators more profitable..
Labor policy at its best.

EVs and all other vehicles are taxed.
Incentivising EV ownership has health benefits in built up areas by cleaning up air quality. Moreover, the safety features being built-in to Tesla and equivalent vehicles will substantially reduce motor vehicle accidents saving our nation in the billions going forward. Put simply, there is a very strong economic case for incentivising EV ownership irrespective of politics.

 

[sptrawler]

As opposed to what ?

As opposed to those who are going to charge you to use it installing it e.g the fuel, power and car companies.
Tesla has done a good job of installing charging equipment ask VC.

 

[sptrawler]

EVs and all other vehicles are taxed.
Incentivising EV ownership has health benefits in built up areas by cleaning up air quality. Moreover, the safety features being built-in to Tesla and equivalent vehicles will substantially reduce motor vehicle accidents saving our nation in the billions going forward. Put simply, there is a very strong economic case for incentivising EV ownership irrespective of politics.

Not a good time for a meltdown Rob.

 

[SirRumpole]

As opposed to those who are going to charge you to use it installing it e.g the fuel, power and car companies.
Tesla has done a good job of installing charging equipment ask VC.

I don't see why you had to bring Labor into it, they haven't been in for 7 years, and you already agreed that the Libs policy to sell off State power infrastructure was a disaster.

I guess I can see another Hazelwood coming up. At least if governments install infrastructure you know its going to be there for the long term rather than being scrapped when private owners decide to walk away.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

I don't see why you had to bring Labor into it, they haven't been in for 7 years, and you already agreed that the Libs policy to sell off State power infrastructure was a disaster.

I think Labor will struggle to return to power if they continue to allow the Greens to hijack their energy policy.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

EVs and all other vehicles are taxed.
Incentivising EV ownership has health benefits in built up areas by cleaning up air quality. Moreover, the safety features being built-in to Tesla and equivalent vehicles will substantially reduce motor vehicle accidents saving our nation in the billions going forward. Put simply, there is a very strong economic case for incentivising EV ownership irrespective of politics.

Rob; I am not the sort of person who makes fun of other people's religion; so I will respect your belief in the strange energy cult that you worship.

 

[SirRumpole]

I think Labor will struggle to return to power if they continue to allow the Greens to hijack their energy policy.

Actually, I probably agree with you to some extent.

What people want is cheap power, I think the AGW debate has died down and household budgets are being stretched especially now. The last thing people want now is the scare tactics of higher power prices. Even if renewables are cheaper people are afraid of the unknown.

Labor has to de-emphasise the AGW/emissions debate and demonstrate how renewables will make power cheaper for households.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Actually, I probably agree with you to some extent.

What people want is cheap power, I think the AGW debate has died down and household budgets are being stretched especially now. The last thing people want now is the scare tactics of higher power prices. Even if renewables are cheaper people are afraid of the unknown.

Labor has to de-emphasise the AGW/emissions debate and demonstrate how renewables will make power cheaper for households.

I think Labor need to formulate an independent energy policy narrative that is based on sound and sensible economics. It's not like the Greens are going to give their preferences (~10%) to the Liberals anyway.

 

[rederob]

Rob; I am not the sort of person who makes fun of other people's religion; so I will respect your belief in the strange energy cult that you worship.

The point was about "economics."

 

[sptrawler]

I don't see why you had to bring Labor into it, they haven't been in for 7 years, and you already agreed that the Libs policy to sell off State power infrastructure was a disaster.
.

It was Rob's suggestion that the taxpayer install the charging infrastructure, which is like the NBN all over again, the taxpayer installs the infrastructure that the telco's charge you more to use, they should have installed it.
Same with charging infrastructure, taxpayers will have to spend enough changing over cars, there is no way they should be putting in the infrastructure, so that the private sector can make a profit on the taxpayer using it.
The car companies, the power companies and the fuel companies should be putting it in, simple.

 

[rederob]

It was Rob's suggestion that the taxpayer install the charging infrastructure, which is like the NBN all over again, the taxpayer installs the infrastructure that the telco's charge you more to use, they should have installed it.
Same with charging infrastructure, taxpayers will have to spend enough changing over cars, there is no way they should be putting in the infrastructure, so that the private sector can make a profit on the taxpayer using it.
The car companies, the power companies and the fuel companies should be putting it in, simple.

Not true @sptrawler.
I made the pont that Norway facilitated EVs as a holistic policy.
Australia's federal government is policy vacuum.

 

[sptrawler]

I don't see why you had to bring Labor into it, they haven't been in for 7 years, and you already agreed that the Libs policy to sell off State power infrastructure was a disaster.

I agree and if the State Governments still owned the power infrastructure, I would say the taxpayer should put it in, but they don't.
I can see the Government should legislate to standadise plugs and voltages, but if fuel stations want to change over to electric to stay in business, they should do it not the tax payer. Same with AGL etc, if they are going to increase their profits with renewables, they should foot the capital costs for installing it.
Incentivising usually means socialising the costs and privatising the profits.

I guess I can see another Hazelwood coming up. At least if governments install infrastructure you know its going to be there for the long term rather than being scrapped when private owners decide to walk away.

Over East I think you are way too far down that road.

 

[sptrawler]

Not true @sptrawler.
I made the pont that Norway facilitated EVs as a holistic policy.
Australia's federal government is policy vacuum.

What you said as per your post:#57
"Australia has no problems accommodating EV ownership, but is not incentivising it or assisting by rolling out a recharging network; those are left to the private sector".

So I don't know why you called me a liar, but that's par for course.

 

[SirRumpole]

I wonder how many more threads we can start about electric cars...

 

[rederob]

What you said as per your post:#57
"Australia has no problems accommodating EV ownership, but is not incentivising it or assisting by rolling out a recharging network; those are left to the private sector".

So I don't know why you called me a liar, but that's par for course.

You said this:

It was Rob's suggestion that the taxpayer install the charging infrastructure,

I made no such suggestion.
It cannot be more clear except, it seems, to you!

 

[sptrawler]

Here goes your weird loop again, I'll let the people who read your quote, make up their minds what it infers.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

I wonder how many more threads we can start about electric cars...

Well at least we know why Norway have the capability and money to move forward in electrifying their transportation now . However even with their enormous capacity, storage and grid resilience; they have still had serious problems and have only reached ~9% of full electric vehicles registered on the road.

Anyway, time to give the EV discussion a rest for a while.

 

[rederob]

Here goes your weird loop again, I'll let the people who read your quote, make up their minds what it infers.

It "infers" nothing because it actually says "... or assisting by rolling out a recharging network; those are left to the private sector."
I thought that was clear!