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Value Collector said:
yep, and think about how quickly we dumped video shops once we realised we could stream movies over phone lines we all were connected to at home anyway.

I remember back in the 90’s going and picking up over night movies for $7, 20 years of inflation later I can stream a new release movie from my home less than that, and have access to unlimited amounts of movies on Netflix for $3 a week.

sure some people feel nostalgic towards Friday night video shop trips, but no one can honestly say they were better or cheaper.

petrol stations will be seen the same way.
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I went to catch up with a mate I havent seen for a long time, he has put down a deposit on a tesla cybertruck, the deposit was eye watering.
But hey if you can afford it, what the hell.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
The point I was trying to make re petrol stations had little to do with aesthetics but more to do with convenience and utility.
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Agreed.

If EV's do become mainstream then for fast charging sites, those petrol stations which are located at a reasonably strong point in the power grid will have a much easier path than those which aren't.

One near me just happens to have an overhead 11,000 Volt line running straight past. That's a bonus definitely and beats having a petrol station where gaining access to any serious power supply would cost $ millions.

Some sites have a much better prospect of conversion to fast charging stations than others.

For clarity:

230 / 400V = the low voltage distribution network to which homes are connected. It'll charge an EV but hugely problematic if anyone wants to install multiple fast chargers at the one site as it just doesn't have the capacity to run that sort of thing.

11,000 - 66,000 Volts = the sub-transmission network. That's the 3 wires mounted highest on the pole in areas where it's present overhead (some is located underground) and this provides a relatively easy path. Simply add a transformer and you can pull some significant power out of that to feed fast chargers etc. Actual voltages used vary between states and there's multiple voltages within most states but that's not a problem.

110,000 - 500,000 Volts = the transmission network mostly overhead on steel towers with limited amounts underground. Not economic to be direct connecting any load to it apart from really massive things like smelters so its presence is of no real use in charging EV's unless someone's got an unlimited budget.

Service station sites with easy access to the sub-transmission network are the ones that have an easy option to become fast charging sites. Some have that, some don't. :2twocents
 
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Smurf1976 said:
Agreed.

If EV's do become mainstream then for fast charging sites, those petrol stations which are located at a reasonably strong point in the power grid will have a much easier path than those which aren't.

One near me just happens to have an overhead 11,000 Volt line running straight past. That's a bonus definitely and beats having a petrol station where gaining access to any serious power supply would cost $ millions.

Some sites have a much better prospect of conversion to fast charging stations than others.

For clarity:

230 / 400V = the low voltage distribution network to which homes are connected. It'll charge an EV but hugely problematic if anyone wants to install multiple fast chargers at the one site as it just doesn't have the capacity to run that sort of thing.

11,000 - 66,000 Volts = the sub-transmission network. That's the 3 wires mounted highest on the pole in areas where it's present overhead (some is located underground) and this provides a relatively easy path. Simply add a transformer and you can pull some significant power out of that to feed fast chargers etc. Actual voltages used vary between states and there's multiple voltages within most states but that's not a problem.

110,000 - 500,000 Volts = the transmission network mostly overhead on steel towers with limited amounts underground. Not economic to be direct connecting any load to it apart from really massive things like smelters so its presence is of no real use in charging EV's unless someone's got an unlimited budget.

Service station sites with easy access to the sub-transmission network are the ones that have an easy option to become fast charging sites. Some have that, some don't. :2twocents
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On the same theme a lot of petrol stations have closed down over here in the West and a lot of new ones have sprung up in the same area, the difference being the new ones have huge aprons around them.
I'm guessing they are preparing for more parking space, which will obviously be required, with the advent of EVs.
The two that come to mind that @IFocus has probably seen are between Mandurah and Pinjarra, they are a stones throw apart in a lightly populated area but have a huge apron around them.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
The point I was trying to make re petrol stations had little to do with aesthetics but more to do with convenience and utility.


In the case of an ICE vehicle one calls in to a service station
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That’s the thing, petrol stations are just an illusion of connivence, you think it’s convenient to pull of the road, spent 5 - 10 mins filling up and continue you on your way.

but, the guy with the Ev just drives home, and spends 10secs plugging in, that’s heaps more convenient.

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As for road trips, again EVs are more convenient.

Think about all the steps involved in a pit stop on a road trip in an ICE car vs EV

ICE Car.

1, park at fuel bowser, fill up (5 mins)

2, walk in line up and pay. (3 mins)

3, move car to parking bay. (2 min)

4, go to toilet, grab food, go back to car (10 mins)

EV.

1, park car plug in (1 min)

2, Go to toilet, grab food, stretch legs (15 mins) then leave.



both the EV and the Ice took roughly the same time, but parking the ev and walking away is much more relaxing than breathing in the petrol fumes, and having to move car etc

Until you have done a road trip in an EV using Tesla supercharge network, I think most people over estimate how much time charging takes, and underestimate how much time they actually normally spend off the road during road trips.
 
sptrawler said:
I went to catch up with a mate I havent seen for a long time, he has put down a deposit on a tesla cybertruck, the deposit was eye watering.
But hey if you can afford it, what the hell.
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Eye watering???

It’s only $150 isn’t it?

I just checked the Tesla Website, and in Australia you can order a Cyber Truck with $150 deposit, and in the USA it’s $100.

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qldfrog said:
Deposit not an issue indeed.how much is it in Australia?i mean cost delivered etc in AUD?
I want the version wo the broken windshield:)
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qldfrog said:
Deposit not an issue indeed.how much is it in Australia?i mean cost delivered etc in AUD?
I want the version wo the broken windshield:)
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I don’t know, I am guessing around $80,000.

base model in the USA sells for $39,500, so after allowing for the exchange rate and taxes I think $80k.

I don’t think they confirm an exact price until after they can begin delivery’s in 2021,
 
Value Collector said:
I don’t know, I am guessing around $80,000.

base model in the USA sells for $39,500, so after allowing for the exchange rate and taxes I think $80k.

I don’t think they confirm an exact price until after they can begin delivery’s in 2021,
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Musk was smart in offering the more expensive models to market first as very few orders are for the single motor version.
On the plus side for we in OZ, there is a chance that by 2022 the exchange rates will again be at parity.
 
Value Collector said:
but, the guy with the Ev just drives home, and spends 10secs plugging in, that’s heaps more convenient.
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Are you sure your not projecting your lifestyle onto everyone else ?

You being "retired" can charge you car at home during the day using solar panels, but the working stiffs who drive their cars to work will have to charge at night, so unless they have some home battery that can charge their car at night they will have to rely on the grid.
 
SirRumpole said:
Are you sure your not projecting your lifestyle onto everyone else ?

You being "retired" can charge you car at home during the day using solar panels, but the working stiffs who drive their cars to work will have to charge at night, so unless they have some home battery that can charge their car at night they will have to rely on the grid.
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Not even talking money side or something not PC to say:
Let's be honest Tesla are the beemers of the left/watermelons thinking.
A look at me symbol hidden under a pretence of green do good
Own a Prius or a Leaf if it is really the environment you care about
Then in that context, who really cares if you are producing more co2 with your tesla than a small diesel in qld?
 
Bait taken.

Tesla have always rated as one of the most unreliable Cars out there. Musk being the douche he is tried to stop the Media from finding this out in 5 US States, google JD Power ratings. The by products to produce Teslas are extremely harmful to the environment. The Autopilot killed people due to Musk unleashing it too early. Tesla took orders for the Tesla Semi to be delivered in 2018 - still waiting with Lawsuits in play.

If Musk did limit the Weld points on Tesla 3s to get them out the door early he should be shot - this makes them dangerous as they age and also noisey. Tesla has a monopoly on repairs and Servicing, so bend over there. The list is endless.

Tesla are the new wanker vehicle.

Not sure who lies more Trump or Musk.

Cue the Tesla ramping etc.
 
SirRumpole said:
Are you sure your not projecting your lifestyle onto everyone else ?

You being "retired" can charge you car at home during the day using solar panels, but the working stiffs who drive their cars to work will have to charge at night, so unless they have some home battery that can charge their car at night they will have to rely on the grid.
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Nothing wrong with relying on the grid.

My point was about the convenience.

People mistakenly believe that Pulling into a petrol station for 10 mins is more convenient than just parking in your garage and taking 10 seconds to plug your car in.

Those “working stiffs” (your words), waste enough time commuting to and from work each day, if you can take away the need to for them to spend 8 hours a year at the petrol station that is a huge benefit.

10mins a week filling your car equals over 8 hours a year.
 
qldfrog said:
Not even talking money side or something not PC to say:
Let's be honest Tesla are the beemers of the left/watermelons thinking.
A look at me symbol hidden under a pretence of green do good
Own a Prius or a Leaf if it is really the environment you care about
Then in that context, who really cares if you are producing more co2 with your tesla than a small diesel in qld?
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Given the fact that I have only ever owned 1 other car, which was a 1997 VT commodore, and I only replaced it because it was literally falling apart.

I think we should be able to agree that I don’t choose my cars based on whether I will think people will look at me.
 
Value Collector said:
Nothing wrong with relying on the grid.

My point was about the convenience.

People mistakenly believe that Pulling into a petrol station for 10 mins is more convenient than just parking in your garage and taking 10 seconds to plug your car in.

Those “working stiffs” (your words), waste enough time commuting to and from work each day, if you can take away the need to for them to spend 8 hours a year at the petrol station that is a huge benefit.

10mins a week filling your car equals over 8 hours a year.
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Recharging at home when possible is great
 
Value Collector said:
Given the fact that I have only ever owned 1 other car, which was a 1997 VT commodore, and I only replaced it because it was literally falling apart.

I think we should be able to agree that I don’t choose my cars based on whether I will think people will look at me.
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Fair.Maybe tech new toy guy or trying to make up for green conscience?
Or just new wealth not wanting to be seen in a Merc/beemer.plenty of reasons but i doubt it was either the running cost , the cheap asset price or the 8h a year refill :)
 
qldfrog said:
Fair.Maybe tech new toy guy or trying to make up for green conscience?
Or just new wealth not wanting to be seen in a Merc/beemer.plenty of reasons but i doubt it was either the running cost , the cheap asset price or the 8h a year refill :)
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Definitely not a new toy guy, but I do want to have a lower impact on the environment, hence the charging from solar panels attracted me, but I think mainly it's the practical benefits, eg the charging from home, the self driving on road trips etc, but there are way to many benefits to list.

the cheap asset price or the 8h a year refill
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Not really when you factor in the fuel and the extra maintenance etc.

I mean, if I were instead to replace my old VT commodore with a new commodore (if they existed), I wouldn't really be saving that much in capital cost vs the Tesla model 3, and it would be more expensive to fuel, service and I would be missing out on the features I love in the Model 3.

I am not a Tesla fan boy for the sake of it, other wise I would have bought Tesla stock years ago and be richer now, hahaha. I seriously think its better value than the other cars in its class when you factor everything in, especially for my life style and road trips I take
 
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