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ELECTIONS - Labor or Liberal

Who do you think will win the next election Labor or Liberal?

  • Labor (Kevin Rudd)

    Votes: 221 51.8%
  • Liberal (John Howard)

    Votes: 206 48.2%

  • Total voters
    427

http://bettingzone.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&aid=3625


Ruddmeister for the Win
 
personally, id like to see wall to wall labor, if only to have all our politicians reading off the same sheet of music.

Hi arminius

The idea that State and Federal Governments getting along will never ever happen no matter what the political persuasion's. They always have and always will be poles apart.
Those who remember Charlie Court (Liberal Party) here in the West kicking political gaols by staring down successive Federal Liberal Governments was an absolute vote winner and i don't believe the rules have changed for either side.

It would be a bonus if Rudd can form a consensus over health care etc with the states instead of the adversarial approach used by the Howard Government for political point scoring and centralization of power in Canberra (so much for the Federation) but i think its unlikely to happen.


Focus
 
WA politics is slightly different though. Even though I am a supporter of the "left", Charlie Court did do some incredibly important things, as did Richard for that matter, for the development of this state, despite the hurdles put up by the feds.

And as Allan Carpenter said last night, which is a constant gripe of residents here, that the rest of Australia has absolutely no idea what is going on or what does go on in this state.

Hopefully a Labor federal government would be less obstinant in coming to the table when it comes to helping this state out in vital infrastructure, rather than leaving us to do everything ourselves...
 
Labor look as if they will romp in with a reasonable margin in the House of Reps. The Greens, Family First and Pauline will probably hold the balance in the Senate.

Garpal
 
You know Johnny has pulled off a trick straight out of his side kicks Dubbyas book and changed the law that if your not enrolled when he calls the election you cant vote !!!


http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/democracy-sold-out-by-enrolment-law/2007/08/29/1188067186728.html


Johnny and his Imperialistic mates, busy selling out democracy.
 

To which empire are you referring. As far as I know, none now exist, since Britain pulled out of India. The czar is gone. The kaiser is long dead. Only the Greens seem interested in having global control. Even the poor old Chinese and Russians only want to make a quid now. Same with the Stans.

Johnny and his mates will be gone soon and the millionaires in the ALP will be back in. There are other targets you could apply your logic to.

Garpal
 
Hi arminius,

Considering that most Australians want our troops out of Iraq (myself included, as long as its done gradually and not in one go) Mr Howard and Mr Bush appearing to be such good buddies isn't going to go down too well with the voters.

Come voting day, very few voters will give a toss about the Iraq issue. Die hard labor supporters don't get that - nor will voters be voting on trees, climate change or nuclear power stations in their own backyard. These issues haven't decided an election yet and I doubt they will this year.

The coalition has completely bungled the "unofficial" election campaign to date - but if they ever get their act together the polls could gap up considerably.

Agreed they need to forget about getting any political mileage out of Bush and the US. That is dead and buried. But they don't really need it. They also need to stop targeting Kevin Beattie...sorry..I mean Rudd...(I keep forgetting his name). Every taunt makes him grow stronger....and every blemish on his resume.....followed by the obligatory "sorry" ......makes him more likeable. The voters want to like Rudd and they do. The Coalition have been trying to make the public dislike Rudd - and this is not going to happen.....they need to concentrate on making sure the public just don't vote for him.

The biggest assets for the Coalition are Swan, Gillard and Garrett. The Coalition need to bring these players front and centre come election time. Forget Rudd - put the spotlight on his frontbench. And the new ex-union party members. Each time Gillard, Swan and Garrett speaks they diminish the star that is "Kevin 07".

The economy, unemployment, job security, wages, health and education will come back as the big issues in October - Hicks, Iraq, Bush, Whaling, Nuclear Power and all the other lefty issues will drop right off.

In my opinion the election is far from over - the Government just need to tap into the right stream to stop the voter swing. As yet they haven't come close.....surely they will hit some targets before October.

Duckman
 
The economy, unemployment, job security, wages, health and education will come back as the big issues in October - Hicks, Iraq, Bush, Whaling, Nuclear Power and all the other lefty issues will drop right off.
Duckman

Totally agree with this statement. You would hope that wall to wall labor as rafa and arminius mentioned before would sort out the health and education mess in the states. Right now Rudd’s workplace measures would be tolerable with the unions on a lesh. Would have liked to have seen more done on the unfair dismissal laws for small business. But like I said it’s taken a bit of the sting out.

If Rudd keeps his focus on fixing the mess in the states particularly the schools which are just a joke atm (and a real personal peeve) and the health system, then I don’t see the libs coming close.

On a side note, Rudd brown nosing the Chinese might be good considering they are looking like the future superpower. Howard seems to have already got us on good terms with the US from doing the same thing.

Will just have to wait and see what the election brings.
 
On a side note, Rudd brown nosing the Chinese might be good considering they are looking like the future superpower. Howard seems to have already got us on good terms with the US from doing the same thing.

Its real kudos if you can talk to a super power in their own language, and Rudd does speak Chinese. That has got to give him brownie points with China. So with China a rising superpower, its better to have Rudd holding the reins. Its not as if he's anti-business, his own wife is a successful business person. Unlike Janette Howard, what does she actually do anyway, definitely not enough charity work according to other former first wives.
 
Hi Skint,

There's no doubting the fact that Whitlam introduced a number of important social reforms, many of which I agree with being a small "l" liberal in terms of political philosophy. The problem is that he had quite a number of incompetent ministers and tried to do too much in such a short period of time. Spending went way through the roof and there was also a wages explosion. He did little in the way of controlling inflation until it was too late. Infact, the 1975 Budget delivered by Bill Hayden was probably its best budget. But we all know what happened next. Fraser's mob kept on refusing to pass the supply bill. Fraser was indeed a divisive leader and IMO a failed PM. He left us with high unemployment and inflation.
I also especially didn't like the fact that Whitlam turned a blind eye to the situation in East Timor.
 

Hi Duckman,

The situation in Iraq is still a negative for the Howard Government. To be pictured and appearing to be a great chum of Bush is no longer a political asset. There's plenty of doctor's wives out there who consider the issue very seriously.
Rudd is in a strong position and the government will have to work very hard indeed to win back lost support.
 
Hi Julia,

Interesting points as always.
I've noticed increasing bitterness among a growing number of Howard's ministers. This will not change how people vote. What they need to do is to figure out why the electorate is generally turning against them in such a big way before its too late. Howard has come from behind before, but this time he's leaving it a bit late.
In relation to undecided voters, I feel that most of them make up their minds during the election campaign. There may be a few voters who jump onto the Rudd campaign simply because momentum is running his way. But I often feel that undecided voters sometimes shift the other way when it looks as if a party is far ahead in the polls. This happened in the 1999 Vic State Election. Kennett was far ahead in the polls and was headed for another landslide victory. A considerable number of voters changed their minds at the last minute and Bracks was voted in as Premier.
On a totally diffferent subject it was very impressive to see Rudd talk Chinese yesterday in the presence of China's leader. As China is now a major trading partner our relationship with them under a Rudd Government is unlikely to suffer. Infact, it may even be improved. Rudd's Chinese work experience has served him very well indeed.
 
spar
do any of us do enough charity work?
as for the speaking chinese bit - lol -
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s2026356.htm

 
hehe...

apparently rudd met with Hu today and conducted the whole meeting in mandarin!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...ns-games-invite/2007/09/07/1188783466709.html

he also scored an invite to the olympics (which i assume is regardless of election outcome).

 
He might be handy as translator for next Australian PM if it doesn't happen to be him.

(If true, Hu with this invitation seems to have covered all bases).
 
This is Chinas way of unofficially endorsing Rudd as PM !!


China is our guarantee of economic prosperity !


If your a resource bull, Rudds the best bet !
 
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