Oh dear $deity no. I'm not old enough or young enough to even consider supporting them.chops_a_must said:The Greens?
I've argued the point about coal with Greens leader Bob Brown in the past.insider said:Your right but you have to admit that the greens strategies are pretty bad... No exporting coal overseas... c'mon... a few years ago they had a plan to ban cars from CBD's and make everyone ride bikes instead... No fooling
Smurf1976 said:I've argued the point about coal with Greens leader Bob Brown in the past.
I'll put it this way. Bob has done a lot of good for conservation and environmental awareness generally. But he and the party have done far more harm than good as far as climate change is concerned.
Had they been fully implemented, the Greens policies in Tasmania alone would have resulted in increased greenhouse gas emissions equivalent to the burning of about 1,300,000,000 litres of oil (or 2.1 million tonnes of sub-bituminous coal) each year. That's literally a 100% increase on the total combined coal / oil / gas presently used in Tas.
The Greens have a lot of credibility on rivers, forests, biodiversity etc but they can't possibly claim that climate change is their number one or even number two priority when it has consistently rated well down the list as evidenced by their actions to date both in Tasmania and nationally.
Wrong or right? I'm not going to judge that one right here and now. Just don't anyone tell me the Greens have climate change as their "number one priority" when clearly it isn't.
stockmaster said:howard is there for a bit too long, but this old man can control the inflation and sustain a decent growth. at the end of the day,
chops_a_must said:But you can't argue with big business... The health problems in Chinese cities will soon level off demand for coal there anyway.
Maybe they could start burning politicians, real estate agents and solicitors and we could all live happily ever after.Oh, and exactly what else do you think they'll burn instead?
Stop_the_clock said:Dumped workers needs/rights/working conditions/Pay.
Tibetans probably.CanOz said:Oh, and exactly what else do you think they'll burn instead?
I dispute that. Most of the reforms that Keating and Hawke implemented (that they copped flak for) surely have something to do with our international competitiveness. In fact, Howard thanked Keating and Beazley for the strength of the economy when he took office in 96. So if Howard is giving credit to someone else, why can't you?mime said:Next time all you spoilt and angry people open your eyes and look around. The country has never been in better shape and it's all thanks to one government.
Lol! Really? What about when Howard was treasurer? Inflation out of control, interest rates at 21.39% Hardly sound economic management.stockmaster said:howard is there for a bit too long, but this old man can control the inflation and sustain a decent growth.
CanOz said:The Unions have been pricing Australia out of the manufacturing business for years. Now demand for labour has outstripped supply, making labour even more expensive in Australia (he should've done more for skilled labour though). Without industrial reform there will be no manufacturing left in Australia. At least he's has the guts to see it and do something about it. If Rudd gets in it will be final nail.
Cheers,
Greg Hunt: Rudd recipe no good in a crisis
* The Labor leader's social democracy ethos would cripple Australia
* January 03, 2007 The Australian
IN December 1989 the first act of Kevin Rudd, the new chief of staff to Queensland's incoming Labor premier, was to cancel plans for the Wolfdene dam. This was despite expert advice that such a dam would be needed for southeast Queensland in the early 21st century.
The experts were dead right. With approximately 70 per cent population growth in southeast Queensland in the intervening period, Brisbane is paying the price for one of the worst infrastructure decisions in modern Australian history. Wolfdene dam would not have changed rainfall patterns but it would have allowed for perhaps 15 years of accumulated water storage, which in turn would have dramatically altered Queensland's capacity to deal with the inevitable ebb and flow of rainfall.
Broadside said:John Howard is 100% gone, he has no chance of winning the next election, simply he hung on too long and his war of words with Senator Obama shows he is losing his political judgment. I expect a very big spending May budget, no point leaving too many cookies in the jar for the new government. If Costello is still Treasurer, that is, he should make his move right now or he will never be PM.
Control inflation? Oh please!stockmaster said:howard is there for a bit too long, but this old man can control the inflation and sustain a decent growth.
How much did the GST add to the housing price. Remember the GST tax that Howard said was dead and not on the agenda any more. The first of his many deceptions. Then there are the contributions developers have to make to local government and their cost passed on. The fact that young people expect to start off with a large home in a prime position and have everything now that our generation worked hard for many years to obtain adds to the problems for them.Smurf1976 said:Control inflation? Oh please!
We've had rampant inflation for quite some time now. Just look at house prices to see that one. Same house but it costs two or three times as much - that's inflation at work big time. You need more $ to buy the same goods - the classic symptom of inflation. Choosing not to report this inflation via the CPI is not controlling it but merely hiding it
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