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macca said:
Teenagers are Always going to be testing the boundaries, they are genetically programmed to do just that.

By relaxing the limits on their behaviour we have simply allowed them to get to the dangerous level where people are killed.
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Yes it was pretty obvious 30-40 years ago, bad behaviour was dealt with quickly.
Now bad behaviour is condoned, as long as it is based on a cause, whether that cause is righteous or not is decided by the media.
So the lines of acceptable behaviour have become more and more blurred and it wont be until society falls to anarchy that it will be reigned in, until then it just makes good t.v fodder.
IMO when society collapses, the media will be fully regulated and censorship will be re introduced, the early stages of it are happening with social media.
Anyway drifting a bit off topic, but social media and entertainment media are responsible for a lot of ideology adopted by youth, so it is in a way education related.
 
Well it has taken a long time, but it sounds as though there is a realisation that the old system was pretty good. Sounds like a re introduction of the 'junior certificate' yeh.:xyxthumbs
Possibly a movement away from the,'don't test them untill they get to uni, it only stresses them', then find out they can't read and write when they get there.:roflmao:
https://www.smh.com.au/education/push-for-naplan-to-be-expanded-into-new-test-for-all-students-20200828-p55q9v.html#:~:text=The new test would be,NSW, Queensland and the ACT.&text=Year 9 students would no,also sit the new test.
From the article:
NAPLAN, the standardised test of every Australian student's literacy and numeracy skills, could be replaced by a new, broader test that also includes science, technology and a greater focus on critical and creative thinking.
Year 9 students would no longer sit the revamped test, with students to be assessed in year 10 instead. All students in years 3, 5 and 7 would also sit the new test.

The year 9 test is characterised by high absenteeism and low achievement, the review found.

The test would also be moved from May to as early in the school year as possible, to prevent schools "teaching to the test" to lift their results.
Students and teachers should also get results within one week of the test, instead of months later, the report recommends. This would make the test a better measure of each students "starting point" for the school year.

Science and technology would be added to the competencies students are tested on, along with a test of each student's critical and creative thinking.
The writing component of the test would also be changed dramatically to discourage schools from taking formulaic or rote approaches to the test that have been the subject of long-standing criticism.
The new test would be called Australian National Standardised Assessments (ANSA).

The review was conducted by Emeritus Professor Barry McGaw, Emeritus Professor Bill Louden and Professor Claire Wyatt-Smith, and considered standardised assessment practices around the world, the uses of NAPLAN data and the content and delivery of the assessment itself.
Laureate Professor John Hattie, of the University of Melbourne Graduate School of Education, said he saw merit in creating a new test that prioritised science.
"At this stage the problem is that NAPLAN leads to competition between schools and a narrowing of what kids do to prepare to pass the test," Professor Hattie said.

It hasn't taken long for the teachers to complain:
TEACHERS WARN NAPLAN REPLACEMENT ‘EVEN WORSE’
A war of words has erupted over the proposed replacement for NAPLAN with Queensland’s powerful teachers’ union warning it could “compound student suffering”, but others say it’s time to overhaul the more than decade-old test.
 
Dear Oh me, we can't have the little petals suffering.........................

I read recently where shrinks were saying we need to teach kids that the world is not perfect and kids need to learn how to lose, what it feels like to be told No and they do need to study if they want a job

It was in relation to the increase in teenage suicide and I found it very sad that the transition to adulthood has become all too hard for some ill prepared kids.

Social media bullying, poor educational standards with the wrong priorities and in some cases slack parents is a terrible mix.
 
macca said:
Dear Oh me, we can't have the little petals suffering.........................

I read recently where shrinks were saying we need to teach kids that the world is not perfect and kids need to learn how to lose, what it feels like to be told No and they do need to study if they want a job

It was in relation to the increase in teenage suicide and I found it very sad that the transition to adulthood has become all too hard for some ill prepared kids.

Social media bullying, poor educational standards with the wrong priorities and in some cases slack parents is a terrible mix.
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Unfortunately that is what happens, when the fox gets control of the hen house.
It hasn't only happened in teaching, nursing has gone the same way.
My MIL has had a brain bleed and is in hospital, she comes from generations of nurses, like everyone on her side is a bloody nurse.
Cutting a long story short, the lack of accountability, lack of leadership, lack of care is shocking my other half is ropeable.
 
dutchie said:
I think the USA should replace "Women Studies" and a lot of the other BS courses with Geography.



I'm assuming that Australians would do better in this exercise.
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I don’t know, I think if you spent half a day asking random Australians in the street to identify countries, you would end up with enough footage to fill a short YouTube video and make aussies appear dumb.

I personally know people that would struggle with that map.
 
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On the same theme, in the past it was a case of suck it up princess and get on with it, now we have the media pandering to those facing life's education a recession.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-real-taste-of-recession-20200902-p55rs0.html
From the article:
Young Australians set to get their first real taste of recession
Anna Thwaites was a toddler during Australia's last recession. This time, she's 32 and facing an uncertain future with limited job prospects.

Ms Thwaites was made redundant from her full-time job as an editor at publishing company Scribe in April. She is yet to find another job — although she hasn't been looking just yet.
After negotiating her way onto JobKeeper, she has managed to stay on top of the bills during the COVID-19 lockdown.
"I've been granted this absolute fluke, in capitalism and life, to be paid enough money to cover rent and food and not have to work," she said.

But with the wage subsidy payments set to begin reducing from the end of this month, Ms Thwaites is preparing for the difficult task of finding work in the middle of a severe economic downturn.

FFS this has happened three times to people 60 years or older and there was no subsidy payments, why the fluck is it news now, in 30 years time she will be held up by the same media as one of the lucky ones .:eek:
Most 60 year olds have only had minimal super, she will have 50 years of super
 
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Everyone's starting to jockey for position, gentlepeople start your engines.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...with-disabilities-report-20200902-p55rrm.html
From the article:
The number of students with disabilities in the public education system is predicted to grow by 50 per cent in the decade to 2027, and they will need twice as many specialist teachers and thousands more support classrooms.

Six new special needs schools will also have to be built every year if diagnosis and enrolment rates continue and policy settings do not change, modelling by Boston Consulting Group (BCG) for the NSW Department of Education found.

The confidential report, obtained under freedom of information laws, prompted mental health experts to call for a major investment in disability support staff, training and resources for schools, saying teachers are not equipped to respond.
 
OMG all in one day's media.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...ds-of-complex-classrooms-20200901-p55rf1.html
From the text:
A standard education degree is no longer enough to prepare prospective teachers for the challenges they will face in a job that has changed beyond recognition, the former head of the NSW Education Standards Authority has told an inquiry.

Tom Alegounarias, who also used to lead the NSW Institute of Teachers, said education degrees should emulate medical ones and require a few years of on-the-job training before a teacher became fully qualified.

Wow does that mean that teaching is more about keeping the kids engaged, rather than having a teachers degree? Maybe we should go back to teacher training specific institutions, you know before we made it a degree, when teachers could actually teach.:mad:
It's about time teachers were measured against outcomes, if the same teacher produces students that perform well below standard, they should be checked against the norm for those students. If the students were performing normally pre that year and post that year then it should be investigated.
If an electrician was responsible for poor wiring, they would be investigated, if a doctor had numerous poor outcomes they would be investigated. It isn't rocket science IMO.
Just my opinion
 
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sptrawler said:
The 10 year old grandson said last night that Naplan starts today, it will be interesting to see if there is any changes in performance, due to parents home schooling during the lockdowns. :xyxthumbs
www.abc.net.au

1 million students will start NAPLAN tests today, but is it possible to just opt out?

Some parents say NAPLAN tests are so stressful they bring their children to tears — but it is possible for students to skip them?
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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I got a laugh when the Qld teachers union reccomended that teachers "exempt" their students from NAPLAN.

They are dead scared it will expose their own failings.

www.abc.net.au

Teachers' union tells its 47,000 members to withdraw their own children from NAPLAN

The Queensland state school teachers' union has told its members and principals with children to withdraw them from this year's NAPLAN test.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
SirRumpole said:

Legal loophole which allows NSW students to take knives to school shocks Premier Gladys Berejiklian​


www.abc.net.au

Berejiklian 'taken aback' to learn students can take knives to school on religious grounds

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she has been shocked to learn students can take knives to school on religious grounds and pledges to take action against a law that "doesn't pass the common sense test".
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Maybe the Somali students could take the Jile, with them, it wouldn't be long before teachers would be carrying arms, we are a weird Country in a lot of ways. :eek:

en.wikipedia.org

Jile - Wikipedia

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It sounds as at least a couple of people have the right idea, let's hope the outcomes match the rhetoric.
www.smh.com.au

Students must learn about Western heritage to defend democracy: Tudge

Education Minister Alan Tudge declared the school funding wars over and said it was time to talk about teaching and standards.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
From the article:
Mr Tudge also declared the national school funding wars over, and said it was time to focus on education standards and teaching methods as he pursues his target of putting Australia back among the best-performing countries by 2030.
Mr Tudge addressed the Centre for Independent Studies on Tuesday night alongside Indigenous leader Noel Pearson, under whom he worked as the deputy director of Pearson’s Cape York Institute for three years between 2006 and 2009.

He outlined his priorities for education, which included addressing standards in university teacher training, embedding “effective teaching practices” in the curriculum, and ensuring a balanced approach to history and civics.
“We won’t get anywhere unless we get the pedagogy [teaching methods] right,” said Mr Pearson, who alongside Mr Tudge is a strong advocate for direct - or teacher-led - instruction, rather than the teacher acting as the ‘guide on the side’.

Mr Pearson also said Indigenous education would improve if governments made a commitment to lift all schools.

“At some point the Closing the Gap targets will become redundant - useless, possibly … and it’s because the differentiation of expectations of Aboriginal children are so far removed from the rest of Australia,” he said.
“We’ll just permanently have low expectations of Aboriginal kids. We should have the same expectations of Aboriginal children as we have for the rest of the community, for other Australian children.”

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Remote schools struggled to attract teachers and support, partly because state ministers left them in the “too hard basket”, Mr Pearson said.
“Unless the government uses its funding authority in a strategic way to stop them and get the changes that are needed, we won’t make the progress we want to see.” He would like to see a federal minister remain in the job for five years.
Mr Pearson said he would also like to see 20 minutes a day of academic learning in the pre-school years, “not just play”, to offset the disadvantages faced by students who do not have books at home, nor parents who can help them.
 
As we have said on many occasions, the problem with education, is the same problem with hospitals.
It has all become about the service providers and not about the service they are supposed to provide.
It has become about conditions and wages, rather than about outcomes IMO.
That may sound harsh, but sometimes the truth is harsh, the problem today is the truth isn't very often acceptable.
Today's norm is, don't upset anyone, don't tell them they are not up to standard, tell them that it is all good the problem is no one appreciates how hard it is.
Meanwhile outcomes continue to fall.:mad:
Just my opinion.
 
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sptrawler said:
As we have said on many occasions, the problem with education, is the same problem with hospitals.
It has all become about the service providers and not about the service they are supposed to provide.
It has become about conditions and wages, rather than about outcomes IMO.
That may sound harsh, but sometimes the truth is harsh, the problem today is the truth isn't very often acceptable.
Today's norm is, don't upset anyone, don't tell them they are not up to standard, tell them that it is all good the problem is no one appreciates how hard it is.
Meanwhile outcomes continue to fall.:mad:
Just my opinion.
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Very true.

In regards to hospitals there was an article on the ABC which I can't find where a little girl died in a hospital and all the staff were worried about was their image.

Of course such events can be brought about by under-funding and often it's those on the front line that cop the brunt while the suits in the offices get off scot free, but it would have been a better look if the doctors and nurses paid some attention to bereaved family instead of to themselves.
 
SirRumpole said:
Very true.

In regards to hospitals there was an article on the ABC which I can't find where a little girl died in a hospital and all the staff were worried about was their image.
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When it was hospital based training, those with the wrong attitude were steered toward other professions that suited their personalities, now if someone passes the course they are given a badge. The same problem exists in teaching.
Some professions should never be university courses, especially when a major component of the profession is personality based, as well as technically based.
But that is what you get when vested interests, conflict with political parties.
 
Interesting article, on the requirement of university academics to declare any foreign political affiliations.
www.theage.com.au

Unis push back on plan for academics to list foreign links

One proposal would see only academics involved in sensitive research or from high-risk countries required to disclose their links to overseas political parties.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
Universities are pushing to limit the number of academics required to disclose their membership of overseas political parties under proposed new foreign interference measures as the government refuses to abandon the requirement entirely.
 

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