Dump Trump

[3 hound]

I hope this new blockbuster staged production is more entertaining than the last flop they made where the "bombshell testimony" was a low level aid that outright lied about what she said she heard a secret service agent said. The secret service agent was not called upon to confirm the "bombshell testimony" but he flatly denied what she "heard" happened and immediately demanded his denial be put under oath at risk of treason and perjury to himself....He was never questioned lol.

What a monumental flop the first movie was. The public showed their extreme disinterest by not tuning into the performance and all polls confirm the US population don't rate it as an issue that concerns them.

 

[SirRumpole]

I hope this new blockbuster staged production is more entertaining than the last flop they made where the "bombshell testimony" was a low level aid that outright lied about what she said she heard a secret service agent said. The secret service agent was not called upon to confirm the "bombshell testimony" but he flatly denied what she "heard" happened and immediately demanded his denial be put under oath at risk of treason and perjury to himself....He was never questioned lol.

What a monumental flop the first movie was. The public showed their extreme disinterest by not tuning into the performance and all polls confirm the US population don't rate it as an issue that concerns them.

Well the whole thing is about convicting Trump of a crime so he can never run for President again.

Which wouldn't be a bad thing imo. Trouble is one of his minions might.

 

[3 hound]

Which wouldn't be a bad thing imo.

He achieved a lot of good things in his term in the face of an extremely hostile and crazy media opposition and Dem hostility.

He bought more blacks and Latinos to support the Repubs than any other Prez.


His work in the middle east is one of the greatest breakthroughs and accomplishments in foreign policy in modern history since WWII. That alone is legitimately Nobel prize worthy. All prior world leaders failed to do what Trump accomplished on the ME.

 

[DB008]

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[3 hound]

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The desperation is truly astounding.

 

[basilio]

https://www.news.com.au/world/why-d...e/news-story/6be59f60d2622023e2bb743b8d017562

 

[3 hound]

https://www.news.com.au/world/why-d...e/news-story/6be59f60d2622023e2bb743b8d017562

Lazy post there fella....be better.

 

[SirRumpole]

Id be interested to know how many people here really believe that Tfump won the election.

 

[DB008]

Hmm, now this is very interesting....

Like l have said numerous times, J6 was a complete set up.

From this we learn:

• The FBI had proud Boys Infiltrated;
• They were non-violent, did not break the barriers;
• The Feds imprisoned numerous members anyway on charges they knew were fake.

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[DB008]

Id be interested to know how many people here really believe that Tfump won the election.

LOL

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[3 hound]

Id be interested to know how many people here really believe that Tfump won the election.

I'd be interested to know how many here really believe the Russian collusion hoax/conspiracy theory.

 

[moXJO]

Well the whole thing is about convicting Trump of a crime so he can never run for President again.

Which wouldn't be a bad thing imo. Trouble is one of his minions might.

All they are doing is backing him into a corner and make him run for president again. Should have stroked his ego and left him to wheel and deal. Instead they ostracise and harassed him to the point of pi55ing him and his supporters off.

As for the "Jan 6" committee, the whole thing is a farce. The fbi hounded one of those idiot jan 6ers untill he committed suicide. Literally stoking Trumps base

Democrats and lefties are bloody idiots. They have kept Trump fresh in everyone's minds for the past 2 years. Then give him little choice but to run again.

He's going to be 82 if he did win, way to old. Desantis is who most Republican lean towards. Rather then the divisiveness of Trump. Trump is no "sure bet" and in my opinion wouldn't win. Democrats however are just batsht crazy at this stage, not doing any favours with regards to the economy either.

Can't see Trump winning. I'd be surprised if he gets the numbers.
Democrats love drama though.

 

[basilio]

I'm currently reading the biography of Nancy Wake. Nancy was an Australian journalist who lived in France in the 30's and ended up married to a wealthy French industrialist. She was a clear sighted no nonsense women who saw at first hand the brutality of the Hitler/Mussolini/Franco regimes. In particular she visited Austria and Germany in the 30's and was horrified by the hero worship of Hitler and the behaviour of Nazi paramilitary groups terrorising Jews. She despised it all.

When war came Nancy stayed and ended up becoming a key leader in the French Resistance. She won the respect of some pretty tough resistance fighters and did what had to be done to fight the Nazi tyranny. Her husband Henri was tortured and killed by the Gestapo for his efforts in the resistance. The Gestapo called her The White Mouse.

I'm writing this as an introduction to the testimony of the leader of the paramilitary group that stormed the Capitol on January 6th at the direction of Donald Trump. Let's get real please. Trump attempted to overthrow the election results of 2020. Jason Van Tantenhove final words were.

Van Tatenhove said: “I do fear for this next election cycle because who knows what that might bring.”

Calling Trump “a president willing to try to whip up civil war amongst his followers using lies and deceit and snake oil, regardless of the human impact”, Van Tatenhove asked: “What else is he going to do if he gets elected again? All bets are off at that point and that’s a scary notion.

“I have three daughters. I have a granddaughter. And I fear for the world that they will inherit if we do not start holding these people to account.”

Trump sought to mount ‘armed revolution’, militia ex-spokesman says​

Witness Jason van Tatenhove testifies at seventh public hearing, ‘This could have been the spark that started a new civil war’

Jason Van Tatenhove, the ex-spokesman for the Oath Keepers, is sworn in before the House select committee investigating the January 6 attack, at the seventh public hearing on Tuesday. Photograph: Ken Cedeno/UPI/REX/Shutterstock

Martin Pengelly

@MartinPengelly
Tue 12 Jul 2022 23.10 BSTLast modified on Wed 13 Jul 2022 00.14 BST


In powerful testimony to the House January 6 committee, a former spokesperson for the Oath Keepers militia told Americans to “quit mincing words and just talk about truths”, and to recognise that Donald Trump attempted to mount “an armed revolution” in order to stay in power.

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“People died that day,” Jason van Tatenhove said. “Law enforcement officers died, there was a gallows set up in front of the Capitol. This could have been the spark that started a new civil war, and no one would have won there. That would have been good for no one.”

Van Tatenhove appeared at a Tuesday hearing in Washington alongside Stephen Ayres, a former Trump supporter from Ohio who pleaded guilty to a misdemeanour charge related to entering the Capitol on 6 January 2021.

Both men discussed former allegiances and lessons learned after Congress was stormed by a mob that Trump told to “fight like hell” in service of his lie that his defeat by Joe Biden was the result of electoral fraud.

Ayres said his realisation Trump lied was akin to having “horse blinders” removed. He also spoke about what his conviction had cost him.

Van Tatenhove described efforts by Stewart Rhodes – the Oath Keepers leader now charged with seditious conspiracy – to hone his public image.

Rhodes “was always looking for ways to legitimise what he was doing,” Van Tatenhove said, “wrapping it in the trappings of, ‘It’s not a militia, it’s a community preparedness team … an educational outreach group, it’s a veteran support group.’

“But again, we’ve got to stop with this dishonesty and the mincing of words and just call things for what they are. You know it, he’s a militia leader. He had these grand visions of being a paramilitary leader.”

Members of the Oath Keepers provided security to Trump allies around January 6 and entered the Capitol.

A bipartisan Senate committee linked seven deaths to the riot, which failed to stop certification of Biden’s win. That toll included police officers who killed themselves after the riot, a total that has since grown by two.

Van Tatenhove said: “The fact the president was communicating whether directly or indirectly … kind of gave [Rhodes] the nod, and all I can do to thank the gods that things did not go any worse.”

Asked what the Oath Keepers saw in Trump, Van Tatenhove said: “They saw a path forward that would have legitimacy. They saw an opportunity … to become a powerful paramilitary force.”

Asked if Rhodes discussed violence against elected leaders, Van Tatenhove gave a chilling answer.

“That went back from the very beginning of my tenure,” he said, of an association which began around a standoff with federal forces in 2014. “One of the first assignments that he brought to me … as a graphic artist … was to create a deck of cards.

“You may remember the conflict in the Middle East where our own military created a deck of cards, a who’s who of key players on the other side they wanted to take out.

“And Stuart was very intrigued by that notion and influenced by it, I think, and he wanted me to create a deck of cards that would include different politicians, judges, up to Hillary Clinton as the Queen of Hearts.

“This is a project that I refused to do. But from the very start, we saw that there was always the push for military training, including courses in that community that went over explosives training. So yeah, it all falls in line.”

Van Tatenhove said his experience showed the US had “gotten exceedingly lucky that more bloodshed did not happen because the potential has been there from the start.


Ex-campaign chief texted ally Trump’s January 6 rhetoric ‘killed someone’
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“A loss of life as tragic as that we saw on January 6, the potential was so much more. We have to look at the iconic images of that day, with the gallows set up for Mike Pence, for the vice-president of the United States.”

Trump sought to mount ‘armed revolution’, militia ex-spokesman says

Witness Jason van Tatenhove testifies at seventh public hearing, ‘This could have been the spark that started a new civil war’

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

Short Story on Nancy Wake.

https://anzacportal.dva.gov.au/resources/nancy-wake-stories-service

 

[3 hound]

I'm currently reading the biography of Nancy Wake. Nancy was an Australian journalist who lived in France in the 30's and ended up married to a wealthy French industrialist. She was a clear sighted no nonsense women who saw at first hand the brutality of the Hitler/Mussolini/Franco regimes. In particular she visited Austria and Germany in the 30's and was horrified by the hero worship of Hitler and the behaviour of Nazi paramilitary groups terrorising Jews. She despised it all.

When war came Nancy stayed and ended up becoming a key leader in the French Resistance. She won the respect of some pretty tough resistance fighters and did what had to be done to fight the Nazi tyranny. Her husband Henri was tortured and killed by the Gestapo for his efforts in the resistance. The Gestapo called her The White Mouse.

I'm writing this as an introduction to the testimony of the leader of the paramilitary group that stormed the Capitol on January 6th at the direction of Donald Trump. Let's get real please. Trump attempted to overthrow the election results of 2020. Jason Van Tantenhove final words were.

Van Tatenhove said: “I do fear for this next election cycle because who knows what that might bring.”

Calling Trump “a president willing to try to whip up civil war amongst his followers using lies and deceit and snake oil, regardless of the human impact”, Van Tatenhove asked: “What else is he going to do if he gets elected again? All bets are off at that point and that’s a scary notion.

“I have three daughters. I have a granddaughter. And I fear for the world that they will inherit if we do not start holding these people to account.”

Trump sought to mount ‘armed revolution’, militia ex-spokesman says​

Witness Jason van Tatenhove testifies at seventh public hearing, ‘This could have been the spark that started a new civil war’
View attachment 144047
Jason Van Tatenhove, the ex-spokesman for the Oath Keepers, is sworn in before the House select committee investigating the January 6 attack, at the seventh public hearing on Tuesday. Photograph: Ken Cedeno/UPI/REX/Shutterstock

Martin Pengelly

@MartinPengelly
Tue 12 Jul 2022 23.10 BSTLast modified on Wed 13 Jul 2022 00.14 BST


In powerful testimony to the House January 6 committee, a former spokesperson for the Oath Keepers militia told Americans to “quit mincing words and just talk about truths”, and to recognise that Donald Trump attempted to mount “an armed revolution” in order to stay in power.
View attachment 144048
Trump allies ‘screamed’ at aides who resisted seizing voting machines, January 6 panel hears
Read more

“People died that day,” Jason van Tatenhove said. “Law enforcement officers died, there was a gallows set up in front of the Capitol. This could have been the spark that started a new civil war, and no one would have won there. That would have been good for no one.”

Van Tatenhove appeared at a Tuesday hearing in Washington alongside Stephen Ayres, a former Trump supporter from Ohio who pleaded guilty to a misdemeanour charge related to entering the Capitol on 6 January 2021.

Both men discussed former allegiances and lessons learned after Congress was stormed by a mob that Trump told to “fight like hell” in service of his lie that his defeat by Joe Biden was the result of electoral fraud.

Ayres said his realisation Trump lied was akin to having “horse blinders” removed. He also spoke about what his conviction had cost him.

Van Tatenhove described efforts by Stewart Rhodes – the Oath Keepers leader now charged with seditious conspiracy – to hone his public image.

Rhodes “was always looking for ways to legitimise what he was doing,” Van Tatenhove said, “wrapping it in the trappings of, ‘It’s not a militia, it’s a community preparedness team … an educational outreach group, it’s a veteran support group.’

“But again, we’ve got to stop with this dishonesty and the mincing of words and just call things for what they are. You know it, he’s a militia leader. He had these grand visions of being a paramilitary leader.”

Members of the Oath Keepers provided security to Trump allies around January 6 and entered the Capitol.

A bipartisan Senate committee linked seven deaths to the riot, which failed to stop certification of Biden’s win. That toll included police officers who killed themselves after the riot, a total that has since grown by two.

Van Tatenhove said: “The fact the president was communicating whether directly or indirectly … kind of gave [Rhodes] the nod, and all I can do to thank the gods that things did not go any worse.”

Asked what the Oath Keepers saw in Trump, Van Tatenhove said: “They saw a path forward that would have legitimacy. They saw an opportunity … to become a powerful paramilitary force.”

Asked if Rhodes discussed violence against elected leaders, Van Tatenhove gave a chilling answer.

“That went back from the very beginning of my tenure,” he said, of an association which began around a standoff with federal forces in 2014. “One of the first assignments that he brought to me … as a graphic artist … was to create a deck of cards.

“You may remember the conflict in the Middle East where our own military created a deck of cards, a who’s who of key players on the other side they wanted to take out.

“And Stuart was very intrigued by that notion and influenced by it, I think, and he wanted me to create a deck of cards that would include different politicians, judges, up to Hillary Clinton as the Queen of Hearts.

“This is a project that I refused to do. But from the very start, we saw that there was always the push for military training, including courses in that community that went over explosives training. So yeah, it all falls in line.”

Van Tatenhove said his experience showed the US had “gotten exceedingly lucky that more bloodshed did not happen because the potential has been there from the start.

View attachment 144049
Ex-campaign chief texted ally Trump’s January 6 rhetoric ‘killed someone’
Read more
“A loss of life as tragic as that we saw on January 6, the potential was so much more. We have to look at the iconic images of that day, with the gallows set up for Mike Pence, for the vice-president of the United States.”

Trump sought to mount ‘armed revolution’, militia ex-spokesman says

Witness Jason van Tatenhove testifies at seventh public hearing, ‘This could have been the spark that started a new civil war’

www.theguardian.com

Takes a lot of imagination to convince yourself Jan 6 was anything like an armed insurrection.

 

[basilio]

Takes a lot of imagination to convince yourself Jan 6 was anything like an armed insurrection.

Nope 3 Hounds. One simply has to be able and willing to read the evidence.

But wilful blindness will of course refuse every piece of evidence it doesn't want to see. Of course the whole situation is about the wilful blindness of Donald Trump in refusing to acknowledge he decisively lost the election and then did everything in his power to overthrow the result.

I don't know you from a fence post 3 Hounds. But as far as I can see your resolute unwillingness to recognise the criminality of what Donald Trump has done in trying to overthrow the election results and the danger he has placed the the US electoral system through systematically undermining public confidence in elections suggest your as twisted as he is.

Or alternatively your just another creature of the Russian troll farm relentlessly doing your job.

 

[3 hound]

Nope 3 Hounds. One simply has to be able and willing to read the evidence.

But wilful blindness will of course refuse every piece of evidence it doesn't want to see. Of course the whole situation is about the wilful blindness of Donald Trump in refusing to acknowledge he decisively lost the election and then did everything in his power to overthrow the result.

I don't know you from a fence post 3 Hounds. But as far as I can see your resolute unwillingness to recognise the criminality of what Donald Trump has done in trying to overthrow the election results and the danger he has placed the the US electoral system through systematically undermining public confidence in elections suggest your as twisted as he is.

Or alternatively your just another creature of the Russian troll farm relentlessly doing your job.

You haven't presented any evidence yet just a few flowery stories.

Also reported for crazy accusations of Russian troll farms.

 

[Joe Blow]

One more insult or personal attack in this thread and it will be closed, along with every other open Donald Trump thread. And any new thread that is started about Donald Trump will be closed and the person who started it banned.

I have had enough of the toxic nature of Donald Trump threads and I now have zero tolerance for it.

 

[basilio]

Back to our old friend "ignore" - when it becomes truly fruitless to discuss reality.

 

[moXJO]

One more insult or personal attack in this thread and it will be closed, along with every other open Donald Trump thread. And any new thread that is started about Donald Trump will be closed and the person who started it banned.

I have had enough of the toxic nature of Donald Trump threads and I now have zero tolerance for it.

This isn't a bad idea. It's not really constructive conversation. It's been years of bs since 2016.