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Regarding Tax fraud by the Trump Corporations. Its real alright

Trump Org. fined $1.6 million after conviction for 17 felonies, including tax fraud

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The Trump Organization was fined $1.6 million – the maximum possible penalty – by a New York judge Friday for running a decade-long tax fraud scheme, a symbolic moment because it is the only judgment for a criminal conviction that has come close to former President Donald Trump.

Two Trump entities, The Trump Corp. and Trump Payroll Corp., were convicted last month of 17 felonies, including tax fraud and falsifying business records.

Mick, the BBC fact checked Donald Trump in September when he came up with the litany of lies and misdirection you put on repeat.

1. There were no victims​

This is very important to Mr Trump. He believes there should be no case because "there was no crime".

"No bank was affected. No bank was hurt," he said moments before the start of the trial, noting that all his loans were paid back on time.
Under this New York statute, however, the attorney general did not have to show that there were victims, only that Mr Trump committed ongoing fraud.

2. The case was timed to damage Trump's 2024 campaign​

"This trial was railroaded and fast-tracked," the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination said. "This trial could have been brought years ago, but they waited until I was right in the middle of my campaign."
Mr Trump has cast this trial, as well as other lawsuits and indictments, as an attempt to hurt his bid to return to the White House next year.
But the investigation into these fraud claims began four and a half years ago, when Trump was still president, after his former fixer Michael Cohen went public with the Trump Organization's accounting practices.
Judge Engoron reminded Mr Trump's lawyer on Monday that the judge has already dismissed claims the lawsuit was politically motivated.

3. Trump was denied a jury​

After the judge's ruling last week, Mr Trump made this claim in a social media post, suggesting to supporters that he had been denied a trial and a jury, and therefore robbed of justice.
On Monday in court, the judge made a point to say that "nobody asked" for a jury trial.
Bench trials are not unheard of, and it means the judge alone will decide liability and penalties in the remaining six claims.

Media caption,
Watch: Trump's New York fraud case explained... in 60 seconds

4. The 'corrupt' justice department is behind this​

To fit the case into his wider "witch hunt" rhetoric, Mr Trump claimed that Ms James was corrupt, and that she was coordinating with and taking orders from the US Department of Justice.
"It's all run by DOJ, which is corrupt, in Washington - everything goes through them," he alleged.
He has shown no evidence of coordination. Also, this is a civil fraud case based on New York state laws, not a federal one. The Justice Department has no jurisdiction here.


5. The 'buyer beware clause' renders contracts useless​

Mr Trump pushed this rather unorthodox argument while speaking to reporters on Monday. His businesses' financial statements have a clause that Mr Trump calls a "buyer beware" warning, a disclaimer he said means "do not believe anything".
Mr Trump says that putting a "full disclaimer" in financial statements, "immediately takes you out of any fraud situation and any litigation".
But the judge was clear in his ruling last week that these are non-party disclaimers from his former accounting firm Mazars, and that they do not insulate him from liability.
Those disclaimer
s also plainly state that "Donald J. Trump is responsible for the preparation and fair presentation of the financial statement…"

6. The judge undervalued Trump properties​

In an unusual step, the judge has already ruled that Trump properties were worth less than the former president and his company stated. That was part of a summary judgement delivered last week.
"What he did - undervaluing these properties - is a disgrace to our nation," Mr Trump said on Monday.
However, it was not Judge Engoron who came up with the valuations. The ones he cited in his ruling were from official assessors.
Take Mar-a-Lago, for example, the former president's Florida resort. It was the Palm Beach County assessor - not the judge - that appraised the market value of Trump's primary residence at between $18m-$27.6m (£14.5m-£22.5m).
Mr Trump continues to claim it is probably worth 50 to 100 times more.

7. Trump did not include his brand in his valuations​

Mr Trump is not usually shy about telling the world how much his brand is worth.
In his comments before the trial, however, Mr Trump insisted it had not been factored into the valuations of various properties that are at the heart of this fraud case.
"My brand is extremely valuable. I didn't even use it in my financials."
The judge has refuted this, saying there is evidence that from 2013-2020 Trump's financial statements included a 15% or 30% premium based on the Trump brand for seven golf clubs.
On top of that, the judge ruled that the statements "double dip", by also suggesting that "the goodwill attached to the Trump name has significant value that has not been reflected in the preparation of this financial statement".

 
Business magazine Forbes went into great detail analysing the use of the particular New York fraud law that Trump was convicted of.

Trump Keeps Attacking This Statute In N.Y. Fraud Case—Here’s Why His Claims Lack Merit

Key Facts


James sued Trump, his business associates—including his sons—and the Trump Organization for alleged fraud under New York Executive Law 63(12), which empowers the attorney general to go to court against anyone who “engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business.”

The statute allows the attorney general to ask a state judge to stop the business from continuing its activities and fraudulent acts, force the defendants to pay damages or other restitution and, if necessary, order business certificates to be canceled.

Judge Arthur Engoron has already found Trump and his company violated 63(12) by fraudulently misstating the value of their assets on financial documents—though the trial is still moving forward on other claims—noting in his ruling the statute only required James to prove the Trump Organization’s statements of financial condition were “false and misleading” and that the company “repeatedly or persistently” used those statements to “transact business.”

Trump—who opposes Engoron’s ruling and denies any wrongdoing or fraud—has attacked the statute since the civil fraud trial against him began, claiming the law is “VERY UNFAIR” because no victim is required and does not give him the right to a jury trial and falsely alleging Tuesday it’s “never been used before.”

The statute does not require intent to commit fraud or anyone to be harmed by the fraud, and it does not give Trump the inherent right to a jury trial, with legal experts noting to CNN that while civil lawsuits that request monetary damages are entitled to a jury trial, cases seeking other “equitable relief”—meaning penalties that force the defendant to take or refrain from taking some kind of action, rather than just paying money—can be decided by a judge alone, which is more common with 63(12) violations and is the case in this trial.

Engoron explained at the trial last week that while Trump could have opposed James’ request for a non-jury trial—which his attorneys didn’t do—it “would not have helped,” because James’ request for equitable relief should be left up to a judge to decide.



Surprising Fact

Trump’s claim that statute 63(12) has “never been used before” is false, with the New York AG using the law to bring lawsuits against such parties as a leasing company, e-cigarette company JUUL Labs and a predatory lender company. The Trump Organization case isn’t even the first time 63(12) has been used against Trump and his businesses, as former AG Eric Schneiderman previously sued Trump University under the statute, which resulted in a $25 million settlement in 2018.


 
I have attached the details of Executive law 63(12) . It explains why Trump was found guilty of fraud. The examples of where it has been applied are eyeopening. Trump has some elite business partners in shifty business including of course his own Trump University which was a classic case of deception and fraud.

This action is made under Civil Law statutes rather than Criminal Law.


12. Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal
acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the
carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general
may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the
supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an
order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any
fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an
appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue
of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law
or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court
may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem
proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include
any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception,
misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false
promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent
fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or
carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct.
The term
"repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and
distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than
one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies
recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state
official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject
to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

In connection with any such application, the attorney general is
authorized to take proof and make a determination of the relevant facts
and to issue subpoenas in accordance with the civil practice law and
rules. Such authorization shall not abate or terminate by reason of any
action or proceeding brought by the attorney general under this section.


Trump’s claim that statute 63(12) has “never been used before” is false, with the New York AG using the law to bring lawsuits against such parties as a leasing company, e-cigarette company JUUL Labs and a predatory lender company. The Trump Organization case isn’t even the first time 63(12) has been used against Trump and his businesses, as former AG Eric Schneiderman previously sued Trump University under the statute, which resulted in a $25 million settlement in 2018.
 
Mick did the facts I highlighted on the legal issues noting Trumps conviction of Tax fraud and accounting fraud give you food for thought ?
Your a bit lax with the facts Bas.
Trump was not convicted of Tax Fraud, it found two of his companies liable cos its top executives were found guilty of creating the scheme to avoid the equivalent of a an FBT.
From AP News
NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump’s company was fined $1.6 million Friday for a scheme in which the former president’s top executives dodged personal income taxes on lavish job perks — a symbolic, hardly crippling blow for an enterprise boasting billions of dollars in assets.

A fine was the only penalty a judge could impose on the Trump Organization after its conviction last month for 17 tax crimes, including conspiracy and falsifying business records. The amount was the maximum allowed by law. Judge Juan Manuel Merchan gave the company 14 days to pay. A person convicted of the same crimes would’ve faced years in prison.

Trump himself was not on trial and denied any knowledge that a small group of executives were evading taxes on extras including rent-free apartments, luxury cars and private school tuition. Prosecutors said such items were part of what they dubbed the Trump Organization’s “deluxe executive compensation package.”

The company denied wrongdoing and said it would appeal.
Mick
 
Your a bit lax with the facts Bas.
Trump was not convicted of Tax Fraud, it found two of his companies liable cos its top executives were found guilty of creating the scheme to avoid the equivalent of a an FBT.
From AP News

Mick

You are splitting semantics Mick. The story outlines a 13 year history of falsification of accounts to evade tax for senior executives. This was all under the knowledge of Donald Trump. Passes the pub test of tax fraud.

Judge Merchan said he found most “offensive” a $6,000 payroll check Weisselberg had made out to his wife, who never worked for Trump, so she could become eligible for Social Security benefits.
 
I have no idea why my last post has all those lines through it !!
You went over your "I hate Trump" post limit for the month.
You are splitting semantics Mick. The story outlines a 13 year history of falsification of accounts to evade tax for senior executives. This was all under the knowledge of Donald Trump. Passes the pub test of tax fraud.

Judge Merchan said he found most “offensive” a $6,000 payroll check Weisselberg had made out to his wife, who never worked for Trump, so she could become eligible for Social Security benefits.
Wow that's it?

You looked into Biden yet?
Be interesting on a comparison basis.
 

Georgia Investigating 17,000 Missing Ballot Images from 2020 Presidential Election


The investigation was launched after “2020 recount violations” were exposed.​
SEB was scheduled to cover the results of the investigation (SEB2023-25) at its meeting this week, according to reporter Joe Hoft.​
The investigation into the 2020 Election has been labeled “violations found.”​
On Friday, the SEB reported that this investigation has been reclassified as “continued.”​
Due to the investigation still being open, officials could not discuss the findings at this week’s meetings.​
A complaint for Fulton County was filed that specifically highlighted 17,852 votes counted that do not have a corresponding ballot image.​
The complaint also called out the discovery of 3125 duplicate ballot counts.​




Don't worry, CNN said that the 2020 Presidential Election was the most secure in history

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You have more chance of winning Powerball 3 times in a row than the above. All votes went to Biden, no one else.....



 
They are effectively daring the federal Supreme Court to intervene.
The Trump court case resulting from charges over the Jan 6 "insurrection" has not even been completed yet.
What a farce the US legal system has become.
Mick
 
They are effectively daring the federal Supreme Court to intervene.
The Trump court case resulting from charges over the Jan 6 "insurrection" has not even been completed yet.
What a farce the US legal system has become.
Mick
The state can do what it likes according to the Federal Supreme court. That was the basis for the abortion turnover.

So what will the judges do, be inconsistent? Fascinating to watch from a distance.
 
Obviously the multinationals are in a panic, Trump must be really getting traction in the polls, it would be astounding if he has a massive win considering the negative press he has copped.
Interesting times, the huge world wide swing right, must be gaining momentum.
 
The state can do what it likes according to the Federal Supreme court. That was the basis for the abortion turnover.

So what will the judges do, be inconsistent? Fascinating to watch from a distance.
I would tens to disagree with that, its a bit over simplistic.
The abortion case was one where the fed Supreme Court said they should not have jurisdiction over a matter like abortion - its not a legal matter, but a medical matter. The court did not acknowledge that abortion , whilst some might see as a moral issue, does not impinge on any persons fundamental rights.
The original decision made that the constitution had an implied right to abortion, which the then current supreme court said was just plain wrong;, no such right existed.
In the case of banning someone from the ballot, whilst the ballot itself is conducted in a manner that is decided by each state, the outcome determines a federal executive, namely the presidential position, hence they might well de interested.
The US fed supreme court made this determination in Moore VS harper .
Secondly, the Supreme court can overturn the state law if it deems that a federal law has been broken, or that someone's fundamental rights have been denied.
One of the arguments that are likely to be put forward by some plaintiff(s) is that the state has denied them the right to vote for the candidate of their choice, given that is perfectly legal in US elections to write in the name of a candidate of choice who does not appear on the ballot. However, if a candidates name is banned from appearing in a Ballot, any write in ballots would likely be deemed invalid.
legal points are usually not clearcut, especially in a Federal system such as the US where so many of the judges are elected on party lines.
Mick
 
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The state can do what it likes according to the Federal Supreme court. That was the basis for the abortion turnover.

So what will the judges do, be inconsistent? Fascinating to watch from a distance.

Decision was 4-3 all judges democratic appointed, Supreme court will likely knock it on the head but like you say will be interesting.
 
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