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[basilio]

Lovely, the commies ignore their own gross hypocrisy, along with the facts, and sling mud.

How about the substantive points @basilio ?

I'll wait.

"Substantive" points ? For you ? In which universe have you ever acknowledged reality let alone "substantive points".

But for the record .The first point I made was regarding Perros association with Donald Trump in terms of his $20,000 donation to her political campaign. Then the fact that her husband was pardoned by Trump for his tax evasion activities . You would certainly feel grateful for that strategic deal wouldn't you ?

But the overwhelming reason I dismiss her rants is because of credibility. She is a total conspiracy fiend. She will tout anything and everything that she can find that trashes the Dems and shines up Donald Trump. Never find any facts. Just throw it all up.

And where does that view come from ?

Fox News Wayne. Jeanine Perro relentlessly pumped up the lies that Trump was spreading about the 2020 election. They were so egregious Fox News producers warned management she should not be allowed to go live on air. (Defamation maybe ?) This all came out in the discovery process of the Dominion defamation case.

So she has no credibility Wayne. The rants she runs are just that.

Fox's handling of Jeanine Pirro's election conspiracy theories reveals the full extent of its corruption​

Written by Matt Gertz


Published 04/03/23 9:06 AM EDT

For a glimpse of Fox News’ utter corruption and duplicity, it's worth reviewing the sequence of events involving the network’s handling of host Jeanine Pirro’s program following the 2020 election, as revealed by filings in Dominion Voting Systems’ $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox.

Pirro is a longtime Fox backbencher and notorious font of misinformation and bigotry who hosted a pre-taped show airing on Saturday nights. She leveraged her personal friendship with Donald Trump and the fact that he regularly watched her program to gain prominence at the network during his presidency.

In the post-election period, Fox executives took Pirro off the air because they feared she’d promote election fraud lies — then brought her back and let her air two monologues that they knew were filled with falsehoods, all while her own executive producer denigrated her privately as a “reckless maniac” who “should never be on live television.” To cap it all off, they promoted her to co-host a show that airs live and now has the highest ratings in cable news.
Here’s how it all played out.

Fox's handling of Jeanine Pirro's election conspiracy theories reveals the full extent of its corruption

www.mediamatters.org

 

[wayneL]

"Substantive" points ? For you ? In which universe have you ever acknowledged reality let alone "substantive points".

But for the record .The first point I made was regarding Perros association with Donald Trump in terms of his $20,000 donation to her political campaign. Then the fact that her husband was pardoned by Trump for his tax evasion activities . You would certainly feel grateful for that strategic deal wouldn't you ?

But the overwhelming reason I dismiss her rants is because of credibility. She is a total conspiracy fiend. She will tout anything and everything that she can find that trashes the Dems and shines up Donald Trump. Never find any facts. Just throw it all up.

And where does that view come from ?

Fox News Wayne. Jeanine Perro relentlessly pumped up the lies that Trump was spreading about the 2020 election. They were so egregious Fox News producers warned management she should not be allowed to go live on air. (Defamation maybe ?) This all came out in the discovery process of the Dominion defamation case.

So she has no credibility Wayne. The rants she runs are just that.

Fox's handling of Jeanine Pirro's election conspiracy theories reveals the full extent of its corruption​

Written by Matt Gertz


Published 04/03/23 9:06 AM EDT

For a glimpse of Fox News’ utter corruption and duplicity, it's worth reviewing the sequence of events involving the network’s handling of host Jeanine Pirro’s program following the 2020 election, as revealed by filings in Dominion Voting Systems’ $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox.

Pirro is a longtime Fox backbencher and notorious font of misinformation and bigotry who hosted a pre-taped show airing on Saturday nights. She leveraged her personal friendship with Donald Trump and the fact that he regularly watched her program to gain prominence at the network during his presidency.

In the post-election period, Fox executives took Pirro off the air because they feared she’d promote election fraud lies — then brought her back and let her air two monologues that they knew were filled with falsehoods, all while her own executive producer denigrated her privately as a “reckless maniac” who “should never be on live television.” To cap it all off, they promoted her to co-host a show that airs live and now has the highest ratings in cable news.
Here’s how it all played out.

Fox's handling of Jeanine Pirro's election conspiracy theories reveals the full extent of its corruption

www.mediamatters.org

Stop sidestepping, Bas and adrees the substantive points made.

 

[basilio]

The detail of the sensitivity of the material Donald Trump took from the White House is horrifying. And on top of that the total lack of security for such critical information. Mars a Lago is a very public space . There have already been confirmed Russian spies who frequented it specifically to check out Donald Trumps info.

A couple of weeks ago I highlighted the case of a US Military Officer who took Classified documents when he left the service. He plead guilty and got 3 years jail. That is how serious this issue should be.

Nuclear secrets and documents stashed in a bathroom: The explosive allegations against Donald Trump revealed

According to the 49-page indictment released today, Donald Trump sent “scores” of boxes to his Mar-a-Lago property in Florida after leaving the White House. Here's what else we learned.

www.abc.net.au

Retired Air Force officer gets 3 years in prison for keeping classified documents​

A former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer has been sentenced to three years in federal prison for keeping classified documents at his home and other unauthorized locations

Retired Air Force officer gets 3 years in prison for keeping classified documents

A former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer has been sentenced to three years in federal prison for keeping classified documents at his home and other unauthorized locations

abcnews.go.com

 

[basilio]

Stop sidestepping, Bas and adrees the substantive points made.

And then perhaps I should address the substantive points Trump offers ? Perhaps then review George Santos's stories as well ?

She is a chronic liar as noted by Fox news management. Find me other evidence that backs up her claims. Your peddling BS.

 

[wayneL]

And then perhaps I should address the substantive points Trump offers ? Perhaps then review George Santos's stories as well ?

She is a chronic liar as noted by Fox news management. Find me other evidence that backs up her claims. Your peddling BS.

We are not talking about what she may or may not have said elsewhere, we are talking about what she said in the video clip I posted... In spite of how much you try to ignore that.

 

[basilio]

We are not talking about what she may or may not have said elsewhere, we are talking about what she said in the video clip I posted... In spite of how much you try to ignore that.

AND I AM SAYING THAT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING JEANINE PORRO SAYS IS TAINTED BY HER WILFUL REFUSAL TO FIND MEANINGFUL EVIDENCE FOR HER CLAIMS.

SHE HAS ZILCH CREDIBILITY WAYNE. AS DO THE PEOPLE WHO PARROT HER BS.

Not to mention the issues of corruption with gaining a pardon for her ex husband from Donald Trump.

 

[wayneL]

AND I AM SAYING THAT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING JEANINE PORRO SAYS IS TAINTED BY HER WILFUL REFUSAL TO FIND MEANINGFUL EVIDENCE FOR HER CLAIMS.

SHE HAS ZILCH CREDIBILITY WAYNE. AS DO THE PEOPLE WHO PARROT HER BS.

Not to mention the issues of corruption with gaining a pardon for her ex husband from Donald Trump.

So you can't address the points raised?

 

[basilio]

The issues of security at Mars a Lago for the Top Secret military files Trump took from the Whitehouse.

'Never secured in any way': Reporter says anyone at Mar-a-Lago could have seen defense secrets

Former President Donald Trump's indictment for allegedly concealing classified information in boxes at Mar-a-Lago and demanding his attorneys destroy evidence subpoenaed by a federal grand jury is an unprecedent in American history.But also unprecedented is the extent to which the former...

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[wayneL]

The issues of security at Mars a Lago for the Top Secret military files Trump took from the Whitehouse.

'Never secured in any way': Reporter says anyone at Mar-a-Lago could have seen defense secrets

Former President Donald Trump's indictment for allegedly concealing classified information in boxes at Mar-a-Lago and demanding his attorneys destroy evidence subpoenaed by a federal grand jury is an unprecedent in American history.But also unprecedented is the extent to which the former...

www.rawstory.com

Bit like in the garage with the Corvette, hey Bas?

 

[basilio]

Donald Trump has been busy lying his head off in some sort of "defense" (and diversion) of the indictment he faces over the hundreds of classified documents he took from office. For those people who want "points to be addressed" check out the painstaking addressing of El Trumpos litany of lies.

I have posted the story in full because it highlights the lies, misinformation and misdirection that are the hallmarks of Donald Trump and those who parrot his BS. The research is thorough and documented.

Fact check: Seven of Trump’s false or unsupported claims on the documents investigation ​

By Daniel Dale, CNN

Updated


See Trump's response to federal indictment on Truth Social


Former President Donald Trump has made numerous false and unsupported claims about the federal investigation into his handling of government documents, a probe he announced Thursday has resulted in his indictment.

Here is a fact check of seven of the claims Trump has made about the investigation since the FBI raided his Mar-a-Lago resort and residence in August 2022.

False claim: Trump was following the Presidential Records Act by refusing to immediately return documents​

Trump has repeatedly claimed that the Presidential Records Act, a 1978 law, says he was supposed to hold negotiations with the National Archives and Records Administration about the return of official documents after his presidency.

For example, he said in a March 2023 interview on Fox that the law is “very specific”: “It says you are going to discuss the documents. You discuss everything – not only docu– everything – about what’s going in NARA, et cetera, et cetera. You’re gonna discuss it. You will talk, talk, talk. And if you can’t come to an agreement, you’re gonna continue to talk.”

He made a similar claim at a CNN town hall in May, saying the law “says you talk, you negotiate, you make a deal.”

Facts First: Trump’s claim is false. The Presidential Records Act says that, the moment a president leaves office, NARA gets custody and control of all presidential records from his administration. Nothing in the law says there should be a negotiation between a former president and NARA over a former president’s return of presidential documents – much less that there should have been a months long battle after NARA first contacted Trump’s team in 2021 to try to get some of the records that had not been handed over at the end of his presidency.

The key sentence from the Presidential Records Act is unequivocal: “Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President.”

Jason R. Baron, former director of litigation at NARA, told CNN in a March 2023 email: “The former President is simply wrong as a matter of law. As of noon on January 20, 2021, when President Biden took office, all presidential records of the Trump Administration came into the legal custody of the Archivist of the United States. Full stop. That means no presidential records ever should have been transferred to Mar-a-Lago, and there was no further talking or negotiating to be had.”

Timothy Naftali, a CNN presidential historian, New York University professor and former director of the Richard Nixon Presidential Library, described Trump’s claim as “nonsense” and said the former president’s description of the Presidential Records Act is “a matter of fantasy,” concocted to allow Trump to “pretend that he’s a victim.”

The law, Naftali said in March 2023, makes clear that documents Trump had at Mar-a-Lago are presidential records that legally belong to the public and are legally required to be in NARA’s custody. The law provides “no room for debates and discussions between presidential advisers and the National Archives at the end a presidency” about such records, Naftali said.

In April 2023, the Society of American Archivists, a professional association, published its own fact check of Trump’s claim, saying it is “patently false.”

False claim: Obama, the Bushes and others took millions of documents home with them after leaving office​

Trump has repeatedly claimed that he has been singled out by federal law enforcement even though his predecessors as president all took documents with them after leaving office.

For example, Trump claimed in the fall of 2022 that former presidents Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush all took millions of documents; he repeated the claim that Obama took documents at the CNN town hall in May. He also claimed that George H.W. Bush took his documents to a poorly secured Chinese restaurant and bowling alley.

Facts First: This is all false, as NARA itself pointed out in a statement in 2022. In reality, NARA was granted custody of the presidential records of former presidents (beginning with Ronald Reagan as soon as these presidents left office) as soon as these presidents left office, as required by the Presidential Records Act, and it was NARA, not those presidents, that moved those documents out of the nation’s capital to NARA-managed temporary archival facilities near where their permanent presidential libraries would be built. The NARA-managed facility where records from the George H.W. Bush administration were stored was indeed a former restaurant and bowling alley, but it had been turned into a full-fledged archival facility, and professionally secured in various ways, by the time the documents were moved in.

After Trump began making these false claims, NARA issued an October 2022 statement saying that it gained physical and legal custody of the records from Obama, Clinton, Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush “when those presidents left office.” It said of the temporary facilities to which the documents were moved: “All such temporary facilities met strict archival and security standards, and have been managed and staffed exclusively by NARA employees. Reports that indicate or imply that those Presidential records were in the possession of the former Presidents or their representatives, after they left office, or that the records were housed in substandard conditions, are false and misleading.”

In other words, there is no equivalence between Trump’s handling of presidential documents and those previous presidents’. In Trump’s case, the presidential documents found in haphazard amateur storage at Mar-a-Lago, including documents marked classified, were in Trump’s possession despite numerous attempts by both NARA and the Justice Department to get them back.

You can read a longer fact check here with additional details about the facility where the George H.W. Bush records were stored.

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False claim: The federal government could have simply asked for the documents back​

Trump has repeatedly claimed that the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago was unnecessary because the federal government could have simply asked for the documentsback from him. For example, he posted on his social media platform days after the search: “They could have had it anytime they wanted—and that includes LONG ago. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ASK.”


Facts First: It is not true that federal investigators could have easily obtained the government records in Trump’s possession just by asking. By the time of the August 2022 search, the federal government had been asking Trump for more than a year to return official records from his presidency. Even when the Justice Department went beyond asking in May 2022 and served Trump’s team with the subpoena for the return of all documents with classification markings, Trump’s team returned only some of these documents – and then, in June 2022, Trump lawyer Christina Bobb signed a document certifying on behalf of Trump’s office that all of the documents had been returned, though that was not true.

In other words: Trump claimed in August 2022 that the Justice Department could have just asked for the documents “LONG ago” even though his team inaccurately told the department in June 2022 that there were no documents left to ask for.

Unsupported claim: Trump declassified everything​

The Justice Department said in a court filing in August 2022 that the search of Mar-a-Lago resulted in the seizure of more than 100 unique documents with classification markings. But in posts on his social media platform, Trump argued that he had declassified all of the documents in his possession. “Number one, it was all declassified,” he wrote in a post on August 12.

That same day, conservative writer John Solomon, one of the people Trump named as a representative in his dealings with NARA, read a statement on television, which he said came from Trump’s office, that claimed Trump “had a standing order…that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them.” At the CNN town hall in May, Trump made a similar though vaguer claim, saying classified documents “become automatically declassified when I took them.”

Facts First: Trump and his team have not provided any proof that Trump actually conducted some sort of broad declassification of the documents that ended up at Mar-a-Lago – and, so far, his lawyers notably have not argued in their court filings that Trump did so. Eighteen former top Trump administration officials, including two former White House chiefs of staff who spoke on the record, told CNN in August that they never heard of a standing Trump declassification order when they were serving in the administration and that they now believe the claim is false. The former officials used words like “ludicrous,” “ridiculous” and “bullsh*t.”

“Total nonsense,” said one person who served as a senior White House official. “If that’s true, where is the order with his signature on it? If that were the case, there would have been tremendous pushback from the Intel Community and DoD, which would almost certainly have become known to Intel and Armed Services Committees on the Hill.”

It’s important to note that the laws under which the Justice Department said it was investigating possible crimes – statutes about the willful retention of national defense information, obstruction of a federal investigation, and the concealment or removal of government records – do not require documents to be classified for a crime to have been committed. Also, there would be major questions about the legal validity of any broad “standing order” to automatically declassify any document Trump carried out of a certain room.

But first things first: Trump has shown no corroboration for the claim that he did issue such an order.

The Justice Department said in the August 2022 court filing that Trump’s representatives never asserted that documents had been declassified either when they voluntarily turned over 15 boxes that included 184 unique documents with classification markings in January (after an extended back-and-forth with NARA) or when responding to the subpoena in June 2022, when they returned another package of documents that included 38 additional unique documents with classification markings.

Unsupported claim: The FBI might be wrongly describing empty folders as actual documents​

Trump claimed in January 2023 that the FBI might “perhaps” have inaccurately described empty folders that agents found at Mar-a-Lago with classification markings on them – perhaps wrongly describing these folders as actual documents, “which they are not.” (He said he saved the empty folders as a “‘cool’ keepsake.”)


Facts First: There is no evidence that the FBI has wrongly described empty folders. In fact, the Justice Department’s detailed inventory of the items seized at Mar-a-Lago – an inventory submitted in court by a senior FBI agent under penalty of perjury – explicitly lists “empty folders” separately, distinguishing them from the government documents that were recovered. The inventory lists 103 government documents with classification markings, hundreds of government documents without classification markings, and 88 empty folders – including 46 empty folders that had “CLASSIFIED” banners on them. None of the government documents is just an empty folder, according to the inventory.

It is theoretically possible that there are errors in the inventory; the Justice Department filed a revised version in September that made minor changes to the original inventory that was filed in August, which the government explained it had needed to complete in a single business day. But the revised version and the original version listed the same number of government documents with classification markings, 103, and the revised version had only a small change to the number of empty folders with classified banners, putting it at 46 instead of the original claim of 48.

You can read a longer fact check here.

Unsupported claim: The feds might have planted evidence​

Trump has repeatedly floated the idea the FBI or Justice Department might have planted evidence or might proceed to plant evidence.

He suggested on his social media platform in August 2022 that it was suspicious that the FBI would not allow witnesses, such as his lawyers, to be in the rooms being searched at Mar-a-Lago and “see what they were doing, taking or, hopefully not, ‘planting.’” In September 2022, Trump said in a television interview on Fox: “Did they drop anything into those files, or did they do it later?”

Facts First: Nobody has provided any evidence that anyone has planted anything at Mar-a-Lago or amid the items seized at Mar-a-Lago. Despite Trump’s own claims, Trump’s legal team has never argued in a court filing that the FBI or Justice Department planted evidence – even when it was given an explicit opportunity to do so. It is routine, not suspicious, for searches to be conducted without witnesses such as lawyers being in the room; lawyers don’t have a right to watch.

The claim about items possibly having been planted is impossible to definitively debunk at this point, and it is obviously impossible to debunk a claim about what might happen in the future. But Trump and his team have provided zero evidence to support their insinuations on this subject. Before an appeals court stopped a special master review of the seized items in late 2022, Trump’s lawyers resisted an effort by the special master to have them say in a sworn court declaration whether they believed the official inventory included items that were not actually seized from Mar-a-Lago – in other words, if they believed phony items were inserted into the evidence. A judge then ruled that they didn’t have to make this declaration.

False claim: Biden has been ‘totally uncooperative’​

Trump, arguing that he is being persecuted, claimed in a video statement in late April that it is President Joe Biden who is “guilty of obstruction.” He claimed that Biden has “1,850 boxes unchecked” and that “he has been totally uncooperative – won’t show the documents under any circumstances.” At a CNN town hall in May, Trump added of Biden’s “1,800” boxes: “And nobody even knows where they are.”

Facts First: It’s not true that Biden has been “totally uncooperative” with the federal probe into his own handling of government records – either in general or specifically with regard to the more than 1,850 boxes of records from his US Senate career that he donated to the University of Delaware, his alma mater. And it’s not true that nobody knows where these boxes are; it has been publicly known since 2012 that they are housed at the university.

The claim that Biden has been “totally uncooperative” with the investigation into his handling of official documents is transparently false. Biden’s team quickly handed over classified documents to federal authorities upon finding them last year at one of his homes in Delaware and at his former think tank office in Washington. And Biden has consented to FBI searches of his two Delaware homes, the Washington office and the University of Delaware.


CNN reported in February that, according to a source familiar with the investigation, the FBI had conducted two searches at the university with the consent and cooperation of Biden’s legal team. It is not clear if Biden permitted the FBI to look at each and every one of the 1,850-plus boxes of Senate papers at the university, or even if the FBI wanted to search all of those boxes; a spokesperson for Biden’s personal lawyer did not respond in early June to a CNN request for more information. But even with few details publicly known at present, it is clearly inaccurate to say Biden has not cooperated at all with regard to these records.

Biden’s Senate papers at the University of Delaware are not yet publicly available; the university website says the boxes were delivered in mid-2012 but will require Biden’s consent to view until two years after Biden retires from public life. That restriction has frustrated some Biden critics, but it is certainly not a crime – and it is normal, as the Senate’s official website explains, for senators to donate papers to a home-state research institution with conditions about when they are to be released into the public realm.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/08/politics/fact-check-trump-claims-documents-investigation/index.html

 

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[Knobby22]

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Why though?

Firstly he takes the documents home, cuts up a few and flushes them down his toilet.
Everyone makes mistakes and just because he made a few as President, getting rid of the documents is not going to hide the mistake as it won't be the only copy! Still he is in his 70s, all forgivable.

So then they ask him for the documents back, he could have said, yea, didn't realise, handed them back all is forgiven.

Instead he hands some back and keeps the rest. All over the place , his bathroom, everywhere. They get threatening he says no maybe a box here and there but haven't got them/ He has 5 eye stuff there. As secret as you can get and a disaster if it falls into foreign hands.

Then - and this is only what we know about - he provides the plan to attack Iraq in July 2021 to his golf club so he can brag about it.
Err do you think some members of the golf club might be USA patriots?

Then in September 2021 he shows the military secret map of all the nuclear assets to at least one of his staffers who was not cleared, probably just to impress.

It's just dumb.

Recently, Ex-navy admiral, Robert Birchum, pleaded guilty to storing confidential files in his house (stored carefully} and though he kept them secret - as the law said - if he had of died it could have fallen into anti Amreican hands. He has been given 3 years jail.

Trump has done far worse with far more important information. It just seems dumb behaviour. I don't get it. It's like he is daring everyone. Take me on!

 

[sptrawler]

@basilio
I don't know one way or the other, but if one leader is harassed endlessly by the media, for absolutely everything they do and then when the opposition get in they do exactly the same and nothing is said.
It does cause thinking people to become sceptical as to the honesty of the authorities and the veracity of the media, there is always a sector of the population that believe anything that the media says, but as is proving by the drop in circulation that sector is rapidly declining.
We are currently starting to see the early stages of it here, where the media has been pushing that the inflation problem is being caused by the RBA, but there is starting to be a realisation that the blame may lie elsewhere, yet many will still deny the reality to the very end, as they are doing in the U.S.
Another current example is the Brittany Higgins case, where for all intents and purposes Lehrman according to the media was guilty, now it is becoming obvious there was more at play, than what was presented in the media.
Eventually the truth has a way of coming out and I'm not saying Trump is right or wrong, or that Higgins was or wasn't raped, I'm saying that the media paint a picture they want to sell and often it isn't a reflection of the truth.
But many take it on board and run with it, like the media want them to.
Why has the Trump issue all of a sudden become current? When it actually was brought to a head several years ago, funny how it coincides with the upcoming election, who would have guessed.
It will just make Trumps followers more angry and the social turmoil greater in the U.S, the authorities and the media are treating the population like idiots, it wont end well IMO

It was o.k for the FBI to investigate Trump on hearsay, yet when Trump makes an accusation about the Biden's the narrative is to clarify that there is no evidence. Just a minor bit of hypocrisy that will add to the unrest.
Today:

'They're coming after you': Trump turns indictment into political advantage in speech to Republican faithful

Speaking at the Georgia Republican Convention, the former US president says the 37 felony counts against him are an attack on his supporters as he tries to turn legal peril into political advantage.

www.abc.net.au

It was also, Mr Trump said, to deflect attention from congressional investigations into Mr Biden's son, Hunter, and a report that the current president took a $US5 million ($7.4 million) bribe — when he was vice-president — from a Ukrainian company.

There is no evidence to support any of Mr Trump's allegations.

2 Months ago

FBI lacked evidence for alleged Trump-Russia collusion probe, US Special Counsel finds

The FBI lacked evidence to investigate Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and relied too heavily on tips provided by Mr Trump's political opponents to fuel the probe, US Special Counsel John Durham concluded in a report released on Monday.

www.abc.net.au

The FBI lacked evidence to investigate Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and relied too heavily on tips provided by Mr Trump's political opponents to fuel the probe, US Special Counsel John Durham concluded in a report released on Monday.

 

[IFocus]

The “Cult of Trump”.

1st rule don’t argue with disciples

2nd rule follow 1st rule ?

 

[DB008]

So the “nuclear secrets” the Biden DOJ claims to be after, are the nuclear secrets about Obama and his treasonous nuclear deal with Iran.

As @dbongino has been preaching from the start, all of this is to protect Obama and the crimes of his administration.

It’s a cover-up.

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[moXJO]

The “Cult of Trump”.

1st rule don’t argue with disciples

2nd rule follow 1st rule ?

Did you mean "Cult of Trump haters" ?

Because we are now at the point of arresting political opponents because they threaten the politburo.
This is a hugely dangerous and disgraceful part of political history.

 

[moXJO]

I honestly didn't think Trump would win.
It's ridiculous how far they went to destroy him. Instead it put him back in the game.
Honestly... TDS is real.

It reminds me of the vengeful sht the US is willing to do to those who rock the bs image they have created. Look at guys like Assange. I thought that guy was a bit of a pompous ar5e. But they went out of their way to destroy him in similar fashion. They even used the "Russia" line.

US is a basket case.

 

[basilio]

Trump, Justice Roberts, Supreme Court NOW

IMV this whole show has gone way out of hand. Trump is facing serious charges around the illegal possession of hundreds of critical national security files. He flatly denies any culpability. Instead he charges the the Justice Department, FBI, Democrats and all the law enforcement agencies with a witch hunt. He wants it to end with mass incarceration of anyone and everyone who has accused him of any crimes. He has demanded his followers pursue that end. This is unprecedented

"At some stage" (many months/years away) there will be a trial. Until then we will see the Trumpian rhetoric amplified through his supporter base both political and civilian.

I believe for Trumps benefit and the nations benefit Chief Justice Roberts should use his authority to announce a Supreme Court trial by him alone ASAP to investigate the alleged crimes by Donald Trump as outlined in the indictment.

Donald Trump deserves the earliest opportunity to clear his name in the highest Court of the US once and for all.

And if the Chief Justice finds against Donald Trump the US public has to consider how Donald Trump, who will most likely be sentenced to a jail term for willfully taking top secret documents and endangering national security, can be allowed to be President again.

 

[basilio]

Trump must be in trouble when people like Barr are seriously concerned.

Donald Trump's former attorney-general William Barr says 'he's toast' if indictment allegations are proven true​

Former US attorney-general William Barr says Donald Trump is "toast" if allegations that he wilfully retained hundreds of highly classified documents are proven true under Special Counsel Jack Smith's 37-count indictment against the former president.

Key points:​

• William Barr was former US president Donald Trump's attorney-general from 2019 to 2020
• Mr Barr says the charges made against Mr Trump under the Espionage Act are "solid"
• Mr Trump says he will continue his 2024 presidential campaign even if he's convicted

The indictment alleged Mr Trump — who is the current Republican front-runner in the 2024 White House race — held documents about military secrets and the US nuclear program after leaving the White House in early 2021.

Mr Trump kept documents that came from national intelligence agencies at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida and his golf club in New Jersey, the indictment alleged.

Mr Barr, who was Mr Trump's attorney-general from February 2019 to December 2020, defended Mr Smith's indictment on Sunday.

"I was shocked by the degree of sensitivity of these documents and how many there were, … and I think the counts under the Espionage Act that he wilfully retained those documents are solid counts," he said.

"If even half of it is true, then he's toast."

.....Mr Barr said the claim that the documents were Mr Trump's personal records is "facially ridiculous".

He said because the records referenced in the indictment are "official records" prepared by government intelligence agencies, they are considered property of the US government.

"Battle plans for an attack on another country or Defence Department documents about our capabilities are in no universe Donald J. Trump's personal documents," he said.

Donald Trump's former attorney-general says 'he's toast' if indictment allegations are true

Former US attorney-general William Barr says Donald Trump is "toast" if allegations that he wilfully retained hundreds of highly classified documents are proven true under Special Counsel Jack Smith's 37-count indictment against the former president.

www.abc.net.au

 

[IFocus]

Did you mean "Cult of Trump haters" ?

Because we are now at the point of arresting political opponents because they threaten the politburo.
This is a hugely dangerous and disgraceful part of political history.

Nah the excuses made up for Trump is weird even by US standards as for those going after him the Dems would definitely want him in the race Trumps shine left him after the capital riots he is unelectable IMHO.