Do men and woman 'play' the stock market differently?

[Sean K]

Hi Vis,

I think you have to answer the question WHY did you miss out on the spam.

I'm not saying it's right, and it's not just simply discrimination.

It's for a reason. What do you reckon?

kennas

 

[ghotib]

Good mornin' visual
Prompted by your comment about Buffett's father, does anyone think it is more environment[good/bad at stocks] I mean, does Buffett have any sisters who 'play' the markets?
Cheers....have a nice day

Google is my friend
Buffet is the middle of 3 children; the other two are both female and both appear to be substantial philanthropists. Doris established and funds the Sunshine Lady Foundation ( http://www.sunshineladyfdn.org/ ). Roberta is a major donor to North Western University with a particular interest in International Studies.

Which says nothing about their personal investment capabilities, but at least suggests they haven't wasted much.

Geez I've learnt a lot from other people's questions

Ghoti

 

[visual]

Hi Vis,

I think you have to answer the question WHY did you miss out on the spam.

I'm not saying it's right, and it's not just simply discrimination.

It's for a reason. What do you reckon?

kennas

Kennas,please YOU tell me,I truly dont know.

 

[Sean K]

Vis, it probably starts with an analysis done by the marketing department of the companies not spamming you to determine on average who is going to buy their product. If you don't fit the bill, it's an indication that they don't think your socioeconomic/gender/age/race/footsize fits their bill. So, on average, statistically, you are not a person who would be interested in their product. In this case, the stock market. Case closed. Unless I've missed the thread of this discussion a little. From this point we now need to determine why women on average are not into the market. I go back to my hunters and gathers argument.

 

[Realist]

Visual is the first person to ever complain about not getting spam, and then blame the fact she is not getting spam on sexism.

I think if it rained tomorrow she'd blame it on sexism.

 

[Sean K]

The rain God is male!

 

[ghotib]

You know Visual, I can think of many worse things than missing out on spam.

I don't know how old you are, but I remember being refused a rental flat because I was a single woman and therefore intended to use it for "work". I remember a job interview where I was told in so many words that my employment history and qualifications didn't count because they didn't want a woman in the job. I remember the company secretary whose idea of a subtle compliment was to scrape himself along me. I remember at least 3 occasions where where my suggestions were ignored by all but one man, who accepted credit for them (to be scrupulously fair, the blokes might have ignored me too and had the same ideas themselves). I remember the car loan I couldn't get without a guarantor. I remember ... well a lot of bad things, some of them life threatening, that used to be. Sadly some of them seem to be returning, hopefully like Banquo's ghost as a sign that just reward is coming to the mad Macbeth currently in the Lodge, but that's another story.

Anyway, just wanted to say, in the nicest possible way, that IMO Realist is modelling his debating style on Bullmarket's, which means that any resemblance to a coherent argument is purely coincidental

Ghoti

PS Did you ever come across a book called "Games Mother Never Taught You"? Probably dated now, but for years it was my indispensible guide to the working world. My favourite part was how to give a logical presentation to a room full of men: you make a series of unconnected points, but number each one. That was before Powerpoint of course: these days it's even easier.

 

[Realist]

I was refused a measley $10,000 loan approval years ago from the CBA because I wanted to consolidate my debts.

I missed out on a promotion, maybe because they wanted more females in senior positions in the company?

I've missed out on a job that a women eventually got - even though I was more qualified than her.

I've missed out on renting apartments.

I pay more for car insurance than a female of my age with my perfect record.

These are all true, and I am a male.


Sexism??

Or am I moaning about things that happen to everyone all through their life whether they are male or female.

I've never got a loan or a job, an apartment, or a promotion because of my gender that is for sure.

 

[rubles]

Goodness me, did this get out of hand and off thread!!
I thought nelly's original post threw up an interesting debate; but it seems as though it has dilapidated into Realist throwing jaffas at the back of Visual's head in the cinema.

Seriously though; imo men and women bring different things to the table - different strengths and different weaknesses but it is useless to pigeonhole everyone into a category. It just isn't realistic.

Realist, FYI This is my second time round in the market - the first time around I was KO'd (not something I like to remember or am proud of...) because I did not listen to other people, broke all the rules and took huge risks (sound familiar - the things women don't do, according to you?). Essentially, my ego was in the way (I'm pretty stubborn and pigheaded) - but according to you, because I am a woman, that shouldn't have happened - I guess following on from your theory I shouldn't be here the second time around either.

 

[Sean K]

By the way Vis, I hope by my comments you don't think I'm on the crazy blonde headed guys team on this topic. I'm just approaching it from a social development perspective. Men have had more opportunities and therefore hold more positions of power, etc, because of the way our society has developed. I think each sex has some special talents developed to keep us alive. As I think I said before that is blurring, due to societal changes. I think you'll find more and more homosexuals in society soon too. Not because it's cool to come out, but because the planet is populated enough and we don't need any more babies. Ahhh, another thread some time...

 

[Realist]

I did not listen to other people, broke all the rules and took huge risks (sound familiar - the things women don't do, according to you?

You are the exception - well done, something to be proud of I think.

I guess following on from your theory I shouldn't be here the second time around either.

Hahahaaa

Well in such rampant bullmarket conditions even you can survive presently.

Give it a few more years.



(yes I am kidding ladies - put your bras back on and stop burning them please)

 

[visual]

Ghotib,
Realist in his infinite wisdom labelled the correspondence that I was referring to as spam,not me.

The information that kept drawing my attention was for seminars,IPOs,essentially information that I might have found interesting.

As for the rest of your post,yes of course I can identify with that ,hence my utmost contempt for people who behave like that.And another big reason why I recognise sexism at ten paces.And unless you point it out to those who think they are so smart that they can dress discrimination with a wig they will never know that you know and will continue on they merry way as though they are inventing the wheel.


Kennas,all that you said is not applicable in my case ,my husband would`ve only attracted their attention as a costumer to cultivate simply because of his gender and the size of his account,I hasten to add my account is much bigger.

 

[rubles]

You are the exception - well done, something to be proud of I think.



Hahahaaa

Well in such rampant bullmarket conditions even you can survive presently.

Give it a few more years.



(yes I am kidding ladies - put your bras back on and stop burning them please)

right back at ya, baby!!

 

[Realist]

I recognise sexism at ten paces. .

Sounds like...

Shoot first. Ask questions later.....


Ever walked down an alley and had someone coming the other way turn around and walk back cause they think you're going to attack them purely causae of your gender?

Ever had a parent come and take their kid away, who came up and harmlessly talked to you, cause they think you could be a kiddy fiddler ?

Ever been refused entry to a club or had to pay fees when people of the opposite gender walk in for free?

Ever been told by an insurance agency you must pay alot more than your girlfriend because you are the wrong gender?

Ever been told that your local fitness club is not for your gender?

Ever been to a golf course and told today is the day for the other gender sorry you can't play?

Sexism works both ways unfortunately.

 

[Sean K]

Vis, your husband is a costumer? In the apparel game? he he.

Yeah, my comments were probably all wrong then. Still, he's getting all that other stuff, that you seemed to want, for a reason?

Your bank account is bigger? I have all the money in my household. My girlfriend doesn't know what to do with it. During the bullmarket of the past few years she had thousands in the bank eaning 5%. I suppose if the market had have gone down she'd be the smart one....

 

[visual]

By the way Vis, I hope by my comments you don't think I'm on the crazy blonde headed guys team on this topic. I'm just approaching it from a social development perspective. Men have had more opportunities and therefore hold more positions of power, etc, because of the way our society has developed. I think each sex has some special talents developed to keep us alive. As I think I said before that is blurring, due to societal changes. I think you'll find more and more homosexuals in society soon too. Not because it's cool to come out, but because the planet is populated enough and we don't need any more babies. Ahhh, another thread some time...

Kennas,this has been my point all along,man have more power today because of how we were kept out in the past.its not a coincidence that men hold more power today,or control more of the wealth they`ve had longer to establish the rules as it suits them ,longer to establigh their wealth ,after all there no better way than compounding! had women being allowed to establish themselves along the same lines ,imagine.

 

[Realist]

had women being allowed to establish themselves along the same lines ,imagine.

You are generalising.

There are some American women that were gifted more money from men than some African countries have as a whole.

To suggest all men have held all women back is ridiculous.

The big inequality these days is between races and countries.

There is no question white women are better off financially than black men.

To suggest you are more hard done by than an average Ethiopian male is insulting.

 

[visual]

Vis, your husband is a costumer? In the apparel game? he he.

Yeah, my comments were probably all wrong then. Still, he's getting all that other stuff, that you seemed to want, for a reason?

Your bank account is bigger? I have all the money in my household. My girlfriend doesn't know what to do with it. During the bullmarket of the past few years she had thousands in the bank eaning 5%. I suppose if the market had have gone down she'd be the smart one....

HaHA ye well my usual retort is english is my second language :

It wasnt so much that I wanted all the other stuff it was the reason why I wasnt getting it.

You have all the money yet you live with your girlfriend,HMMMM
and why shouldnt you girlfriend do what she feels confortable doing.Its her money after all.

I by the way control our money simply because I`m the one who enjoys that
and my husband loves me

 

[professor_frink]

Ever walked down an alley and had someone coming the other way turn around and walk back cause they think you're going to attack them purely causae of your gender?

Ever had a parent come and take their kid away, who came up and harmlessly talked to you, cause they think you could be a kiddy fiddler ?

Ever been refused entry to a club or had to pay fees when people of the opposite gender walk in for free?

Ever been told by an insurance agency you must pay alot more than your girlfriend because you are the wrong gender?

Ever been told that your local fitness club is not for your gender?

Ever been to a golf course and told today is the day for the other gender sorry you can't play?

Sexism works both ways unfortunately.

What on Earth are you complaining about realist? It's great to be a man! It's a man's world!

37 Reasons It's Great To Be A Man

1. Your ass is never a factor in a job interview.

2. Your orgasms are real. Always.

3. Your last name stays put.

4. The garage is all yours.

5. Wedding plans take care of themselves.

6. You never feel compelled to stop a friend from getting laid.

7. Car mechanics tell you the truth.

8. You don't give a rat's ass if someone notices your new haircut.

9. Hot wax never comes near your pubic area.

10. Same work .. more pay.

11. Wrinkles-add character.

12. You don't have to leave the room to make emergency crotch adjustments.

13. Wedding Dress $2000; Tux rental $100.

14. If you retain water, it's in a canteen.

15. People never glance at your chest when you're talking to them.

16. New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet.

17. One mood, ALL the damn time.

18. Phone conversations are over in 30 seconds.

19. A five-day vacation requires only 1 suitcase.

20. You can open all your own jars.

21. You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness.

22. Your underwear is $10 for a three-pack.

23. If you are 34 and single, nobody notices.

24. You can quietly enjoy a car ride from the passenger's seat.

25. Three pairs of shoes are more than enough.

26. You can quietly watch a game with your buddy for hours without ever thinking "He must be mad at me."

27. No maxi-pads.

28. If another guy shows up at the party in the same outfit, you just might become lifelong friends.

29. You are not expected to know the names of more than five colors.

30. You don't have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a bolt.

31. You are unable to see wrinkles in clothes.

32. The same hairstyle lasts for years, maybe decades.

33. Your belly usually hides your big hips.

34. One wallet and one pair of shoes, one color, all seasons.

35. You can "do" your nails with a pocketknife.

36. Christmas shopping can be accomplished for 25 relatives, on December 24th, in minutes.

37. The world is your urinal.

 

[visual]

You are generalising.

There are some American women that were gifted more money from men than some African countries have as a whole.

To suggest all men have held all women back is ridiculous.

The big inequality these days is between races and countries.

There is no question white women are better off financially than black men.

To suggest you are more hard done by than an average Ethiopian male is insulting.

Realist time for a hair cut.Me thinks that the oxygen isnt quite getting to your little brain.