Very little requires satellite intervention nowadays, so that's my point.And your point is?
If we are buying equipment be it subs, surface to air missiles or any other type of equipment that requires satellite connection, why wouldn't we install equipment to achieve that?
Or do we just buy the military equipment as an ornament? I don't understand your issue.
I'm sure the U.S/U.K don't use google earth, if you think that the general public is aware of the guidance and communication systems that the military are using, you are being a bit naive IMO.Very little requires satellite intervention nowadays, so that's my point.
If you want to hit a target and it's not line of sight visible, then look it up on Google Earth, then Street View. The commercially available information from satellites is nowadays class leading and, as I posted earlier, even used by the White House in Press Briefings.
I agree.I'm sure the U.S/U.K don't use google earth, if you think that the general public is aware of the guidance and communication systems that the military are using, you are being a bit naive IMO.
Pine Gap is where it is for a very good reason; nowhere near the coast, unlike Exmouth.I worked for the U.S navy back in the early 1980's at a submarine communication base, it was superseded way back then, the technology now would be far more advanced than is common knowledge IMO.
How would you know, what imagery equipment, the U.S defence department use?I agree.
But at the risk of repeating myself satellites, are insignificant in guiding a fired missile to target.
However, satellite imagery will not change irrespective of being military or commercial. Moreover. some commercial imagery is superior.
There are a lot more stations than Pine Gap.Pine Gap is where it is for a very good reason; nowhere near the coast, unlike Exmouth.
I'm sure the defence department will give you a briefing and update.I'm still wondering what the DSC will command. At the moment the DSC looks like Australia Post without a motorbike!
The same reason you don't know I don'tHow would you know, what imagery equipment, the U.S defence department use?
Yes, in the mid 90s I did a review of aspect of Queensland's Army, Navy and Airforce capabilities when I worked for Defence.There are a lot more stations than Pine Gap.
It would be the other way around. The brightest bloke I met when working in Defence was a Wing Commander as comparatively few in the military are "intuitive."I'm sure the defence department will give you a briefing and update.
But your saying some commercial imagery is superior, if you don't know it makes your quote pointless and pure speculation.The same reason you don't know I don't
And I'm quite sure that the U.S capability is far beyond that of Queensland 1990's, I actually didn't realise Queensland had an Army, Navy and Airforce, there you go.Yes, in the mid 90s I did a review of aspect of Queensland's Army, Navy and Airforce capabilities when I worked for Defence.
I'm sure you would love to address the heads of military, going by the way you love to address us. ?It would be the other way around. The brightest bloke I met when working in Defence was a Wing Commander as comparatively few in the military are "intuitive."
Because it covers more types of imagery and is more recent than stuff America put up decades ago. That's why the US military uses it.But your saying some commercial imagery is superior, if you don't know it makes your quote pointless and pure speculation.
Given I was talking about where bases are located you are shooting the wrong horse.And I'm quite sure that the U.S capability is far beyond that of Queensland 1990's, I actually didn't realise Queensland had an Army, Navy and Airforce, there you go.
I have in the past, several times. Let me know if you want me to PM a letter I received after I presented a written Report.I'm sure you would love to address the heads of military, going by the way you love to address us.
But you've already stated two posts back that you don't know what the U.S military use, maybe best to have a lie down.Because it covers more types of imagery and is more recent than stuff America put up decades ago. That's why the US military uses it.
Well it would have saved a bit of time and confusion, if you had said that in the post.Given I was talking about where bases are located you are shooting the wrong horse.
No, just interacting on the forum is adequate, thanks anyway. ?I have in the past, several times. Let me know if you want me to PM a letter I received after I presented a written Report.
At your age it might be a good idea to take a while longer to absorb information after you read it.But you've already stated two posts back that you don't know what the U.S military use, maybe best to have a lie down.
After reading my posts you might finish grade school with a pass, so I am pleased.No, just interacting on the forum is adequate, thanks anyway. ?
Bwahaha, word salad, lol.I read that last year - I have held OEC stock for many years.
The grant barely covers the annual salary of an engineer.
And Orbital got their leg up in UAVs via America, not Australia. You might have noticed that Defence have no projects in the pipeline with Orbital and Defence treated Metal Storm similarly.
Please explain the pro as I found a lot of meaningless word salad.
I am not lobbying against a non existent "command" but, instead, querying what it will achieve.
FYI Ukraine has nothing in outer space yet is thwarting the Russian military superpower's advances. Given Russia has a massive satellite presence in space it seems reasonable to question how effective it is in supporting military engagements. This is 2022 and what's up there is incredibly advanced so why hasn't Ukraine been overrun by now?
Your link was to a company with no runs on the board. What are they involved in doing for Defence?Bwahaha, word salad, lol.
I keep explaining the limited role satellites have in an active war beyond civilian satellite capabilities.In no way do I mean to diminish the military strategy coupled with tenacity of the Ukrainian's fighting for their land.
Ukraine has not been overrun for many reasons and in no small part due, and I'll hazard a guess, to the sanctions and support provided by the West going a long way in stalling Putin's "special military ops". Further, you rederob, probably have a fairly good insight into why the Soviet satellite system has not lived up to the "incredibly advanced" moniker you have given it.
Just another guess on my part but Russian satellite tech may not be what we would expect of it.
Because Ukraine has a similar capability. You keep falling into the trap of thinking that satellites have some special qualities when they are being used by the military.Questions.
Did the Russian military rely on the international GPS system and if so, was access to the system denied or blocked to Putin's forces?
If not, then why hasn't the Russian air force and guided missiles not dominated and thus succeed in the supposed 2 week op?
Given we have no military satellites and DSC does not have a production ambit, tell me again what it will be commanding.To have a reliable and stable GPS system, ground to air comms etc is good a reason as any to have our very own DSC. From what I've gleaned we are very apt at small swarm/hive type satellite technology.
Will DSC have some magical plans for satellites that commercial satellites cannot manage?Coupled with our large land mass, a highly efficient satellite system across a vast array of frequencies would be paramount not only in peace time.
If you believe Australia has the means to defend itself without relying on its alliance partners then good luck with that thought.One last thing, for Australia to rely solely on our security partners for intel (be it images or otherwise) would not be very prudent IMHO.
Well at least we are all beginning to find common ground, all we have to do now is join the dots with regard common communication equipment and we are just about there.If you believe Australia has the means to defend itself without relying on its alliance partners then good luck with that thought.
Your link was to a company with no runs on the board. What are they involved in doing for Defence?
I keep explaining the limited role satellites have in an active war beyond civilian satellite capabilities.
How did America go in Afghanistan?
Because Ukraine has a similar capability. You keep falling into the trap of thinking that satellites have some special qualities when they are being used by the military.
Given we have no military satellites and DSC does not have a production ambit, tell me again what it will be commanding.
Will DSC have some magical plans for satellites that commercial satellites cannot manage?
If you believe Australia has the means to defend itself without relying on its alliance partners then good luck with that thought.
AS NATO found out from Trump, unless you pull your weight you aren't an alliance partner, you're a bludger.That's true, but we have to do our bit and be less reliant, or at least give some support to our alliance partners.
Like in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?That's true, but we have to do our bit and be less reliant, or at least give some support to our alliance partners.
AS NATO found out from Trump, unless you pull your weight you aren't an alliance partner, you're a bludger.
Funny that sort of friendship is becoming more and more prevalent in Australia, instead of saying what can I add to the friendship, the mantra now is what can I get out of this.
Australia has become a sad shadow of its former self IMO and lost a lot of self respect, where once it was all about mucking in and getting it done, now it's about looking around to find who can do it for you.
Yes that comment was more of a general comment about the Australian population and the way we approach issues these days, not about our military, for a country of 25million I think our military punches well above its weight.Sort of, but the amount we spend on US weapons systems is 'doing our bit' to an extent.
Gotta start somewhere and who knows where this may lead.Your link was to a company with no runs on the board. What are they involved in doing for Defence?
To keep explaining the current status quo doesn't mean that the future will be the same.I keep explaining the limited role satellites have in an active war beyond civilian satellite capabilities.
How did America go in Afghanistan?
Hmm, no satellites eh.Because Ukraine has a similar capability. You keep falling into the trap of thinking that satellites have some special qualities when they are being used by the military.
Given we have no military satellites and DSC does not have a production ambit, tell me again what it will be commanding.
Will DSC have some magical plans for satellites that commercial satellites cannot manage?
Now you're just trolling again.If you believe Australia has the means to defend itself without relying on its alliance partners then good luck with that thought.
Maybe they could give us a hint.Gotta start somewhere and who knows where this may lead.
The DSC not into R&D so the answer is no.To keep explaining the current status quo doesn't mean that the future will be the same.
Correct.Hmm, no satellites eh.
It's a military command structure. I have written Reports for our military so I know this was a political move as the DSC's role is of a "directorate".You keep stating that the DSC has nothing to command. So what?
What you have to remember is, in 1999 Collie had a brand new 300MW coal fired power station built, it was also built to be able to have a sister unit built alongside, now 20 years later due to technology it will be closed ASAP.We "access" satellites, just like Optus would for communications.
It's a military command structure. I have written Reports for our military so I know this was a political move as the DSC's role is of a "directorate".
As a directorate the team can serve a useful role in coordination activities.
Back to how satellites are useful. I have yet to see anyone post something that is not possible via commercial satellites beyond US DoD's GPS system. And FYI, if America ever pulled the plug on us then the Chinese could fill the void with their BeiDou system.
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