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sptrawler said:
Sounds like Moderna got the nod for the Tullamarine mRNA production facility.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...facture-mrna-vaccines-under-deal-with-moderna
From the article:
Australia may be manufacturing mRNA vaccines for Covid-19 and other diseases by 2024 under an in-principle agreement struck with pharmaceutical giant Moderna.

Scott Morrison will announce on Tuesday that under the deal a new sovereign vaccine manufacturing facility will be built in Victoria to produce pandemic and non-pandemic respiratory vaccines, including potential flu vaccines.

The long-term “strategic partnership” between the federal government, Victorian government and Moderna will allow 100m mRNA vaccines to be produced in Australia each year in a pandemic, starting in 2024 “pending regulatory and planning approval”.
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Likely be ready just as COVID mutates itself out of existence, hopefully
 
SirRumpole said:
Just heard on the news that 2 doses of Astra is virtually ineffective against Omicron.

Wonderful.
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That night spot in Newcastle would be mainly young people who would have been Pfizer vaxed I assume.

Seems that is not very effective either with an infection rate of at least 30%, hopefully there are not many deaths.

Not really anything else the Govt can do except do both Vax and early support
 
The full explanation of this table is found here:
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In simple terms it shows Moderna vaccines (aka mRNA-1273 = red dots) as most effective against Omicron.
Pfizer vaccines next best (dark blue dots), then AZ (purple) and Sinopharm (yellow).
J&J (light blue) and Sputnik (orange) appear to be useless.
Those not vaccinated but previously recovered from covid (tabled as "Convalescent) appear highly susceptible to Omicron.
Not shown is the better outcome for those who had covid then were later vaccinated.
 

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Great interview with Prof Nikolai Petrovsky about his Spikegen Vax (Covax19). On the face of it I think I would be far more willing to take this one, if/when approved.

 
wayneL said:
Listening to McCullough, any infection results in super immunity, vaxxed or not.
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There are 800,000 Americans that have achieved super immunity. but unfortunately it is of no use to them. There are millions more that are incapacitated or seriously injured for life, but at least they can claim to be super immune Better to be vaxxed and protect against or mitigate the worst effects of Covid should it still get you, than to risk getting Covid first and suffering the potential consequences.
 
bellenuit said:
There are 800,000 Americans that have achieved super immunity. but unfortunately it is of no use to them. There are millions more that are incapacitated or seriously injured for life, but at least they can claim to be super immune Better to be vaxxed and protect against or mitigate the worst effects of Covid should it still get you, than to risk getting Covid first and suffering the potential consequences.
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Omicron is the question.
 
bellenuit said:
There are 800,000 Americans that have achieved super immunity. but unfortunately it is of no use to them. There are millions more that are incapacitated or seriously injured for life, but at least they can claim to be super immune Better to be vaxxed and protect against or mitigate the worst effects of Covid should it still get you, than to risk getting Covid first and suffering the potential consequences.
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That is, ignoring incapacitation from the injeckshun.

If unhealthy, the r/r probably lies with the needle... for now, let's see how that plays out long term.

If healthy, the r/r probably lies with being pureblood.
 
wayneL said:
That is, ignoring incapacitation from the injeckshun.

If unhealthy, the r/r probably lies with the needle... for now, let's see how that plays out long term.

If healthy, the r/r probably lies with being pureblood.
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Stop acting stupid. We know the mortality rate and probability of serious injury from the injection is substantially less than from covid. These facts are out there, but if you want to act the dumb idiot and pretend it is an issue, go for it. You just prove yourself to be as idiotic as some of those on the streets with their asinine placards.

What is the incapacitation rate from the injection vs covid? Several orders of magnitude if you bother checking.

What are the long term issues with the injection vs from covid? What are the long term issues from previous vaccines vs the diseases they were designed to counteract? To date, always significantly less by orders of magnitude and there is no reason to expect covid vaccines to be different. Yeah, we won't know long term consequences of both until long term has come to pass. But there is nothing to date that suggests that vaccination is going to be worse than the disease itself and the regulatory standards applied to the public release of vaccines will ensure that remains the case.

I am sure you will search the internet for any obscure results that say otherwise and present them as more worthy of consideration than almost every other official result data that is available. It's really telling that to date you have not posted a single (maybe I missed one or two) statistical conclusion that vaccines are actually working, in both preventing infection and inhibiting its transmission, though there are hundreds out there. Is it because you can't find them, or is it because your ideology prevents you from posting anything that may suggest that your ideology is wrong.
 
bellenuit said:
Stop acting stupid. We know the mortality rate and probability of serious injury from the injection is substantially less than from covid. These facts are out there, but if you want to act the dumb idiot and pretend it is an issue, go for it. You just prove yourself to be as idiotic as some of those on the streets with their asinine placards.

What is the incapacitation rate from the injection vs covid? Several orders of magnitude if you bother checking.

What are the long term issues with the injection vs from covid? What are the long term issues from previous vaccines vs the diseases they were designed to counteract? To date, always significantly less by orders of magnitude and there is no reason to expect covid vaccines to be different. Yeah, we won't know long term consequences of both until long term has come to pass. But there is nothing to date that suggests that vaccination is going to be worse than the disease itself and the regulatory standards applied to the public release of vaccines will ensure that remains the case.

I am sure you will search the internet for any obscure results that say otherwise and present them as more worthy of consideration than almost every other official result data that is available. It's really telling that to date you have not posted a single (maybe I missed one or two) statistical conclusion that vaccines are actually working, in both preventing infection and inhibiting its transmission, though there are hundreds out there. Is it because you can't find them, or is it because your ideology prevents you from posting anything that may suggest that your ideology is wrong.
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You stop acting stupid, Stupid.

Look at the age stratification of Covid vs injekshun injury/death... and I'm talking about the real figures. There is more nuance than you are prepared to see, for whatever stupid reason.
 
Read a UK study that determined immune response from a COVID infection is determined by the viral load levels should the victim recover.

Of course due to natural selection not all recover fully.

Another mate of mine is 1/2 through treatment for a autoimmune disease told once the WA border opens if he gets COVID (no matter what variant) its all over.
 
IFocus said:
Read a UK study that determined immune response from a COVID infection is determined by the viral load levels should the victim recover.

Of course due to natural selection not all recover fully.

Another mate of mine is 1/2 through treatment for a autoimmune disease told once the WA border opens if he gets COVID (no matter what variant) its all over.
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Very worrying for those that really should be wrapped in cotton wool by the Govt.

They need to be protected above all else, instead some of the older ones were locked up with positive Covid cases.

Unbelievable really.....
 
wayneL said:
You stop acting stupid, Stupid.

Look at the age stratification of Covid vs injekshun injury/death... and I'm talking about the real figures. There is more nuance than you are prepared to see, for whatever stupid reason.
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If you are talking about real figures, then why not present them?
Here's a recent UK ONA update on the effectiveness of vaccinations:
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The UK now has massive turnouts for booster shots, and in time these data will also be available to confirm the effectiveness of vaccinations.
 
So I ended up with "Covid toe". Thought it was fungus or something and was wondering why nothing was working. Didn't know it was a thing.

All the other alleged side effects from the psychosomatic crowd:

Drugs & Medications

Find 105 user ratings and reviews for Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (PF)(EUA) Intramuscular on WebMD including side effects and drug interactions, medication effectiveness, ease of use and satisfaction
www.webmd.com www.webmd.com
 
moXJO said:
So I ended up with "Covid toe". Thought it was fungus or something and was wondering why nothing was working. Didn't know it was a thing.

All the other alleged side effects from the psychosomatic crowd:

Drugs & Medications

Find 105 user ratings and reviews for Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (PF)(EUA) Intramuscular on WebMD including side effects and drug interactions, medication effectiveness, ease of use and satisfaction
www.webmd.com www.webmd.com
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i can't remember, have you had Covid or had the vax ? I recall some photos on line of a person's ugly foot from Covid and the next post was a similar photo from someone blaming the Vax.

Perhaps the spike protein is to blame as both Covid and the Vax have that bit.
 
macca said:
i can't remember, have you had Covid or had the vax ? I recall some photos on line of a person's ugly foot from Covid and the next post was a similar photo from someone blaming the Vax.

Perhaps the spike protein is to blame as both Covid and the Vax have that bit.
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From the vax. It happened a while back and just hung around for a few weeks. Apparently it's an immune response.
Can happen if you catch covid as well.

I had a lot of reactions to the vaccine. But truth be told I'd of probably been one of those that died from covid.
 

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