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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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basilio said:
Did you read explanation moXjo ? Do you want to check it out and see why it was retracted and interestingly which media organisation sussed it out.
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I thought you would like it.
Thought I might have got away without you reading it
 
basilio said:
Really ? After all this time you think I might not (actually) check out a story ?
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Must be the teacher in you- going through every line of an article.

Unlike me, sometimes I take a guess at an article just run my mouth.
 
This story goes into the detail of how COVID 19 is totally out of control in the US and why this happening.

Like leaning into a left hook': coronavirus calamity unfolds across divided US
In a week that saw the worst day on record for new cases, Trump shrugs as experts warn Americans not to follow his lead

Ed Pilkington in New Yo

A disaster is unfolding in Montgomery, Alabama, where Martin Luther King preached and where Rosa Parks was arrested for refusing to give up her seat on the bus. Hospitals are running short of drugs to treat Covid-19, intensive care units are close to capacity, and ventilators are running short.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/coronavirus-cases-us-trump-politics-masks
 
The real reason is that people in the USA refuse to follow the guidelines, there has been plenty of examples of people marching, gathering, waving guns around and simply refusing to go home.

They seem to think that it is a city problem not a nationwide problem, many refuse to wear masks because they may get shot when entering a shop.

Crazy place, I am glad I don't live there
 
macca said:
The real reason is that people in the USA refuse to follow the guidelines,
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Perhaps if the President gave some leadership, said this was a very serious problem and that being careful with social distancing and wearing masks will reduce the risk there could be some improvement ?
 
Ongoing effects of COVID 19 infections. This is no ordinary flu...

Coronavirus's complications and health problems are being studied by scientists
Key points:
  • In addition to respiratory distress, patients with COVID-19 can experience blood clotting disorders that can lead to strokes
  • The virus can also cause neurological complications that range from headaches, dizziness and loss of taste or smell to seizures and confusion
  • Studies are just getting underway to understand the long-term effects of infection
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-29/health-problems-caused-by-covid-19/12402852
 
basilio said:
Perhaps if the President gave some leadership, said this was a very serious problem and that being careful with social distancing and wearing masks will reduce the risk there could be some improvement ?
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I doubt it, most of the rules are enforced by the states and they each have their own opinion on how it should be done, just like here !

When people march down the street waving guns around, refusing to stay home or even to stand 5ft apart then it is always going to be a problem

They could just give them a mask and a bottle of Vit D but they would not use either, them good old boys live in a world of their own (so I have read)
 
The overall picture of COVID 19 around the world is becoming very bleak indeed.
US is out of control with steeply rising infections. (It will take 2-3 weeks to see how this affects serious illnesses and deaths .)

India and Brazil are under huge pressure as numbers grow. China has locked down 500,000 people. The overall numbers across the globe (and these are underestimates) are rising steeply.

Global report: Covid-19 cases exceed 10m as anxieties rise over US
Infections up in 29 US states; China imposes lockdown near Beijing; Israel warned it has ‘lost control’ of virus
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...19-cases-exceed-10m-as-anxieties-rise-over-us
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
 
Nobody is saying this out loud, but it looks like Victoria's spike arose at least in part in migrant communities who either can't speak English or who have cultural practices that involve large family gatherings that don't observe social distancing.

Should we be concerned about this, and what should we do about it ?
 
It is interesting the media hasn't found a way of blaming the politicians, for the virus resurgence, well not yet anyway.
 
wayneL said:
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true in France, no peak of mortality outside what was seen in previous years, and that is after 30,000 deaths from the virus.mostly pushing people over the edge who would be dead anyway by now (1/3 in aged care), and the 2/3 remaining mostly very sick or aged people.not ALL but most aka 90% or so
Not downplaying but now we have knowledge, covid-19 is not too bad, avoid by all mean but not a death sentence
Which you can see on the TV french news when celebrations at the council elections yesterday were mostly mask free and huggings right and left, not exactly expected of a country supposedly one of the worst affected in the world...and sorry..yes..worse than Trump USA per population .

But they do not know, do they?

You will be happy to know you can now visit France again, coming from Australia or New Zealand,
or even coming from China but only if French people are allowed in China.....
 
qldfrog said:
Not downplaying but now we have knowledge, covid-19 is not too bad, avoid by all mean but not a death sentence
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Reports have been posted on this site about long term lung damage, blood clotting causing strokes, inflammatory diseases in children etc.

I hope these reports are exaggerated, but I think we need top confirm that before we open the gates again.
 
qldfrog said:
true in France, no peak of mortality outside what was seen in previous years, and that is after 30,000 deaths from the virus.
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Again @qldfrog has abused data to make false claims.
Here's what the data actually looks like for France and a few other countries:

What epidemiologists have concluded from mortality data is that most nations have not reported the likely totality of COV19 deaths given that the majority has occurred amongst the aged who have also had an underlying health issue noted as their cause of death. It is also the case, as acknowledged by New York and Britain, that many aged people who died were never tested for COV19.
The other observation is that in some countries COV19 has clearly suppressed the mortality rate from other factors.
Ironically, Sweden, which has had a high initial COV19 death rate, has actually dropped below the curve for all expected deaths.
 
SirRumpole said:
Reports have been posted on this site about long term lung damage, blood clotting causing strokes, inflammatory diseases in children etc.

I hope these reports are exaggerated, but I think we need top confirm that before we open the gates again.
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It is a choice between certain economic collapse for the whole of us or maybe a potential risk for a few of us.
As i said, do you really think people who experienced the full blown of it,with no gov propaganda to lessen the issues, would behave all that "carelessly" if the thread was as big as imagined by aussies/our media here
There is no doubt in my mind that we are damaging killing more people than the virus would.
As i am sure you remember, i was not downplaying this in January.
But knowledge and experience should be taken into account.
Being always behind offers some comfort but rarely economic advantages, sadly for Australia as we are pretty good at being behind:-(
 
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