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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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rederob said:
No competent virologists believe the wet markets had anything to do with it - just the media nowadays.
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Agreed - it was the Chinese authorities which started that one however.

Started out claiming it was pangolins then realised that wasn't really plausible so changed it to bats or possibly US soldiers. It's the comedy show attempts at explaining it which arouses suspicions.

If someone strongly opposes an investigation, into anything, then that's a pretty sure indication that they've got something to hide.

As for the bigger picture, well I don't recall the exact timing but financial commentators were noting "rising nationalism" years ago long before most Australians had ever heard of Wuhan. The sentiment has been rising for a very long time, fueled by all sorts of things individually minor but collectively major. This pandemic's just another log on the bonfire really. A big one sure, but the fire was already well and truly burning quite some time ago. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
Agreed - it was the Chinese authorities which started that one however.
Started out claiming it was pangolins then realised that wasn't really plausible so changed it to bats or possibly US soldiers. It's the comedy show attempts at explaining it which arouses suspicions.
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It was based on early science reported in the media, not Chinese authorities.
You are just paraphrasing a lot of junk from the media with your views rather than the efforts being made by the global science community. These are these types of views that are fuelling what would be a useless attempt to "investigate" the origin of the virus. It's useless because this has been an ongoing endeavour from the global science community to research its origins, and will continue to be.
In simple terms the graphic below depicts the problem that scientists are dealing with:

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"China" does not appear in this graphic.
 
rederob said:
It was based on early science reported in the media, not Chinese authorities.
You are just paraphrasing a lot of junk from the media with your views rather than the efforts being made by the global science community. These are these types of views that are fuelling what would be a useless attempt to "investigate" the origin of the virus. It's useless because this has been an ongoing endeavour from the global science community to research its origins, and will continue to be.
In simple terms the graphic below depicts the problem that scientists are dealing with:

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"China" does not appear in this graphic.
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So what's the official CCP line now?
That it originated in a US lab or retirement home?
 
The first report of Spanish flu was from a US army base in Kansas.From there troops brought it to Europe during WW1.The veracity of this I do not know,but it is reported as likely true on the the BBC.Of course we all know why they called it the Spanish flu-because the Spanish royal family were infected.
 
chiff said:
The first report of Spanish flu was from a US army base in Kansas.From there troops brought it to Europe during WW1.The veracity of this I do not know,but it is reported as likely true on the the BBC.Of course we all know why they called it the Spanish flu-because the Spanish royal family were infected.
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or, alternatively, Spain was neutral during WW1 and had no censorship. The 'flu was racing through Europe but, bad for morale and all that, was not mentioned by the combatants. Then, armistice and demobilisation, and what do you get!
 
chiff said:
The first report of Spanish flu was from a US army base in Kansas.From there troops brought it to Europe during WW1.The veracity of this I do not know,but it is reported as likely true on the the BBC.Of course we all know why they called it the Spanish flu-because the Spanish royal family were infected.
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Not entirely true.

Bit of an interesting read here. I wonder if they managed to find any clues?

https://www.statnews.com/2018/12/05/1918-spanish-flu-unraveling-mystery/
 
chiff said:
The first report of Spanish flu was from a US army base in Kansas.From there troops brought it to Europe during WW1.The veracity of this I do not know,but it is reported as likely true on the the BBC.Of course we all know why they called it the Spanish flu-because the Spanish royal family were infected.
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Why aren't we seeking an investigation?
Millions of people died.
Same with HIV AIDS - millions dead and more dying every day. We need an investigation....
Oh, they didn't start in China.
My bad.
 
Trump and the coronavirus task force is pushing the CDC to change its methodology for how they count coronavirus deaths, which could lead to far fewer deaths being counted than originally reported. The Trump administration specifically wants the agency to change how it works with states to count coronavirus-related deaths. Dr. Deborah Birx has reportedly urged CDC officials to exclude from coronavirus death-count reporting for individuals who either did not have confirmed lab results and are presumed positive or who had the virus and may not have died as a direct result of COVID-19. Trump has suggested that coronavirus deaths could have been incorrectly tallied or inflated by current methodology. Dr. Anthony Fauci, however, said the U.S. death toll count is likely higher than is reflected in government data. Meanwhile, researchers have developed a new method to compare and merge coronavirus models into a single “ensemble” projection. The result? 110,000 dead Americans by June 6. Total U.S. deaths currently stand at ~84,000. (Daily Beast / NPR / Washington Post)


Dr Fauci is out ... and religious far right Dr Birx is in !! Hmmm .... whom do you prefer ?
 
rederob said:
Why aren't we seeking an investigation?
Millions of people died.
Same with HIV AIDS - millions dead and more dying every day. We need an investigation....
Oh, they didn't start in China.
My bad.
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A Virologist mate of mine who has been a tippler at The Ross Island public bar before it was shut tells me that the appearance of Covid under a microscope tells him it is impossible that it came from a laboratory but rather from an animal as did HIV.

gg
 
bellenuit said:
They are not mutually exclusive. Where do you think testing and analysis of animal originating viruses take place?
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Find a mate who is a virologist and ask her.

You can tell the difference if you are trained in that field. She had an interesting conversation one night with ole Fauci, and he said the same. He has said it in public. Google it.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Find a mate who is a virologist and ask her.

You can tell the difference if you are trained in that field. She had an interesting conversation one night with ole Fauci, and he said the same. He has said it in public. Google it.

gg
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That was the mainstream theory. Seems to be a bit of pushback on that.
 
SirRumpole said:
No, it doesn't kill hundreds of thousands or close down economies and it's avoidable.
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You are right: HIV AIDS has so far killed more people than the total of Australia and New Zealand's population, so we are talking tens of millions.
This year it will kill more people than COV19.

We have never caught COV19, so it too must be avoidable :confused:.
Just like malaria is avoidable.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Find a mate who is a virologist and ask her.

You can tell the difference if you are trained in that field. She had an interesting conversation one night with ole Fauci, and he said the same. He has said it in public. Google it.

gg
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What Fauci said in public was that it was not made in a lab. He doesn't think it was brought into a lab and escaped from there either, but he has no evidence to support that belief and it certainly is not an impossibility as you originally asserted.
 
bellenuit said:
What Fauci said in public was that it was not made in a lab. He doesn't think it was brought into a lab and escaped from there either, but he has no evidence to support that belief and it certainly is not an impossibility as you originally asserted.
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Do you have a website for your baseless conspiracy theories?
At least we know there were major concerns at Fort Detrick's labs, so that's a very plausible lab leak theory.
 
bellenuit said:
What Fauci said in public was that it was not made in a lab. He doesn't think it was brought into a lab and escaped from there either, but he has no evidence to support that belief and it certainly is not an impossibility as you originally asserted.
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That is as clear as mud.

gg
 
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