Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[sptrawler]

What damage is that ?

I don't believe our PM even referred to China when calling for an enquiry, an action which is backed by the Opposition.

For all we know Rob could well be Chinese, which would explain his extraordinary stance, on not wanting to find out as much as possible about the outbreak. It seems a bit pointless going around in circles, it will become more and more obvious an investigation is required, as the carnage increases.
It would be remiss of Governments to just say, "oh well, I hope that doesn't happen again", the root cause needs identifying to develop procedures to reduce the chances a repeat event.
It will be self resolving, China is admitting culpability by its avoidance of an investigation, they have had a lot of deaths therefore an investigation would obviously be to their advantage.
Unless they already know the outcome.

 

[sptrawler]

A good article on the virus from the ABC, with graphs and explanations, the incredible spread rate certainly puts paid to the theory the virus started in July last year.
From post#1673:
On June 30, 2019, way before the outbreak in Wuhan, a “respiratory outbreak” occurred in Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield, Virginia. Fifty-four old folks became ill with "respiratory symptoms ranging from upper respiratory symptoms (cough) to pneumonia" with symptoms of "fever, cough, body aches, wheezing, hoarseness and general weakness." It was assumed that this was the “usual” illness despite Benjamin Schwartz, a health department director, stating that "Seeing a respiratory outbreak in a long-term care facility is not odd [but] one thing that's different about this outbreak is just that it's occurring in the summer when, usually, we don't have a lot of respiratory disease."
If it had started in July, by Christmas the world would have been in lockdown.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...-worldwide-data-tracking-charts/12107500?nw=0

 

[moXJO]

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The question people here are overlooking is "what changed?"

That has nothing to do with the fact that WHO declared a pandemic.
It was declared, it was reported as declared:
https://www.abc.net.au › programs
WHO officially declares COVID-19 a pandemic - RN Breakfast - ABC Radio National

https://time.com › Health › COVID-19
The WHO Just Declared Coronavirus COVID-19 a Pandemic | Time

https://www.livescience.com › c...
Web results
Coronavirus outbreak officially declared a pandemic, WHO says - Live Science

https://www.theguardian.com › ...
WHO declares coronavirus pandemic | World news | The Guardian


Because WHO declared a pandemic was taking place.
It doesn't need a hidden meaning or to do anything other to officially recognize the situation.

 

[rederob]

What damage is that ?

It's reputational damage leading to retaliatory actions which have been well reported over many weeks.

I don't believe our PM even referred to China when calling for an enquiry, an action which is backed by the Opposition.

Fine, let's inquire as to why nations failed to take the action outlined by the WHO in relation to COV19.
Let's inquire about deaths caused by other nations not taking COV19 as seriously as China did when they locked down Wuhan.
Let's inquire as to what is necessary to be done to be done to ensure PPE is available globally for the next event.
Let's inquire into vaccine development.
Let's inquire into nations failing to contribute to the WHO in order to minimise disease spread gloabally and reduce deaths.
Let's inquire into the lab leaks at Fort Detrick which may be responsible given a New Jersey city Mayor believes he may have suffered from COV19 in November.
Let's see which other countries apart from France had COV-19 patients hospitalised, before Wuhan had confirmed their finding of this virus.
There are lots of things that can be looked into, but the focus has been on a China blame game, as none of the above points ever get a mention from our PM.
China has already said it is open to the WHO looking more closely into all the events to date, but is clear that aspects of science relating to COV19 are complex and an inquiry in that regard should remain ongoing within the scientific community. This is exemplified by an independent team already determining that COV19 may have been in communities as early as October last year.

 

[SirRumpole]

It's reputational damage leading to retaliatory actions which have been well reported over many weeks.
Fine, let's inquire as to why nations failed to take the action outlined by the WHO in relation to COV19.
Let's inquire about deaths caused by other nations not taking COV19 as seriously as China did when they locked down Wuhan.
Let's inquire as to what is necessary to be done to be done to ensure PPE is available globally for the next event.
Let's inquire into vaccine development.
Let's inquire into nations failing to contribute to the WHO in order to minimise disease spread gloabally and reduce deaths.
Let's inquire into the lab leaks at Fort Detrick which may be responsible given a New Jersey city Mayor believes he may have suffered from COV19 in November.
Let's see which other countries apart from France had COV-19 patients hospitalised, before Wuhan had confirmed their finding of this virus.
There are lots of things that can be looked into, but the focus has been on a China blame game, as none of the above points ever get a mention from our PM.
China has already said it is open to the WHO looking more closely into all the events to date, but is clear that aspects of science relating to COV19 are complex and an inquiry in that regard should remain ongoing within the scientific community. This is exemplified by an independent team already determining that COV19 may have been in communities as early as October last year.

Sure, do all that, not a problem.

 

[moXJO]

Let's inquire into the lab leaks at Fort Detrick which may be responsible given a New Jersey city Mayor believes he may have suffered from COV19 in November.
Let's see which other countries apart from France had COV-19 patients hospitalised, before Wuhan had confirmed their finding of this virus.

Did you just quote two propaganda theories that the CCP has been pushing.
And after accusing other people of conspiracy theories and that it "Was absolutely and could in no way be a lab leak"

Well done Robbie....
Well done.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Well done Robbie....
Well done.

REDerob

 

[rederob]

If you want idiot ideas, you don't have to go further than your Chinese Ambassador, Cheng, Chung...

It's a 2-way street. China needs Australian beef as much as we need their trinkets. I doubt the Chinese people are prepared to go back to drinking melamine in their milk.

But thanks again for your your version of "meaning".

I am not Chinese.
The Ambassador responded to a ridiculous idea that the origin of the virus should be investigated. The origin is bats. But our idiot politicians are clueless on science, and this is a matter that warrants scientific inquiry rather than "investigation": it's a zoonotic virus and the intermediate species may never be discovered. That said, there are already hundreds of scientific papers on the matter, and thousands more will be coming.
Next, China can buy beef from many other countries: the USA and Brazil will be happy to fill the void.
Next, if you or anyone else is buying Chinese trinkets, that's a practice easily changed.
Finally, Chinese people never knowingly eat contaminated food, so you should try to post rationally in future.

For all we know Rob could well be Chinese, which would explain his extraordinary stance, on not wanting to find out as much as possible about the outbreak.

I keep asking what more can be found that we do not already know.
I have several times already addressed the issue of virus "origin" and reiterated that point above. If you don't understand what's at issue, do some research.
With regard to what needs to be investigated, I have outlined some points above.

It will be self resolving, China is admitting culpability by its avoidance of an investigation....

This is a rubbish claim. Read what China is happy to do as they welcome further involvement via the WHO.

 

[sptrawler]

I keep asking what more can be found that we do not already know.
I have several times already addressed the issue of virus "origin" and reiterated that point above. If you don't understand what's at issue, do some research.
With regard to what needs to be investigated, I have outlined some points above.
This is a rubbish claim. Read what China is happy to do as they welcome further involvement via the WHO.

If it originated at a place where animals are bred for sale at the 'wet markets', then the farming procedures a holding enclosures probably need improving.

If it came from a 'wet market', procedures need to be put in place, to minimise the chance of cross contamination.

If it was accidentally released from a lab, procedures and or security needs to be audited, to ensure the chance of a similar occurrence happening is reduced.

If it happened by accident, when someone tripped over in the forest and got a face full of bat, well there isn't much anyone can do about it.

 

[rederob]

If it originated at a place where animals are bred for sale at the 'wet markets', then the farming procedures a holding enclosures probably need improving.

If it came from a 'wet market', procedures need to be put in place, to minimise the chance of cross contamination.

If it was accidentally released from a lab, procedures and or security needs to be audited, to ensure the chance of a similar occurrence happening is reduced.

If it happened by accident, when someone tripped over in the forest and got a face full of bat, well there isn't much anyone can do about it.

No competent virologists believe the wet markets had anything to do with it - just the media nowadays.
Just as most virologists are confident another deadly virus will happen again into the future.
This event was always a matter of "when", not "if."
And the same applies into the future.

 

[sptrawler]

No competent virologists believe the wet markets had anything to do with it - just the media nowadays.
Just as most virologists are confident another deadly virus will happen again into the future.
This event was always a matter of "when", not "if."
And the same applies into the future.

Well then an investigation should be given the go ahead, to give everyone peace of mind, the more they fight it the more it looks as if there is something to hide. Simple really.
It is like the weapons of mass destruction, when it was investigated it was shown, there in all probability never was any.
What is the difference with this virus, if it is just an accident of nature, then there isn't a problem, let it be shown.

 

[hja]

REDerob

Red ensign rob

 

[hja]

I am not Chinese.
The Ambassador responded to a ridiculous idea that the origin of the virus should be investigated. The origin is bats. But our idiot politicians are clueless on science, and this is a matter that warrants scientific inquiry rather than "investigation": it's a zoonotic virus and the intermediate species may never be discovered. That said, there are already hundreds of scientific papers on the matter, and thousands more will be coming.
Next, China can buy beef from many other countries: the USA and Brazil will be happy to fill the void.
Next, if you or anyone else is buying Chinese trinkets, that's a practice easily changed.
Finally, Chinese people never knowingly eat contaminated food, so you should try to post rationally in future.

I keep asking what more can be found that we do not already know.
I have several times already addressed the issue of virus "origin" and reiterated that point above. If you don't understand what's at issue, do some research.
With regard to what needs to be investigated, I have outlined some points above.
This is a rubbish claim. Read what China is happy to do as they welcome further involvement via the WHO.

Are you sure you're not Chinese? It would appear you have a job with the Chinese government and it would be most unusual for a non-Chinese working for it.

That's the least of the ambassador's propaganda... how is it ridiculous to want to know the origin of the virus for future and community safety?

His very own ridiculous "fake news" responses and the denial of Uyghur brainwashing, torture and persecution, all ad nauseam are at the pointy end of the chop stick.

Nah, they wouldn't have been so reliant on coal and other resources if they had better options... oh yeah try using the term "opinion" in your self-declared facts.
You don't know the origin of the virus; that's your declarative proclamation. Are you sure you're not Chinese or work for the China government?

 

[dutchie]

Opportunistic Chinese buyers rush to exploit plunging Australian house prices during the coronavirus pandemic
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rty-market-bargains-coronavirus-pandemic.html

The China Virus was caused by them and now they are exploiting our economic problems.
Almost as if they did it on purpose to exploit the world. Bast@rds
We should not let them do this. Ban China from buying anything.

 

[dutchie]

Are you sure you're not Chinese? It would appear you have a job with the Chinese government and it would be most unusual for a non-Chinese working for it.
Are you sure you're not Chinese or work for the China government?

I'm sure that he/she is/does.

 

[rederob]

That's the least of the ambassador's propaganda... how is it ridiculous to want to know the origin of the virus for future and community safety?

We know the origin - bats.
We don't know the intermediate species, but that's why there is this international industry called science.
China happens to have some of the best scientists in the world, plus advanced research facilities, so along with other interested nations and organisations they won't have any concerns about progressing a scientific agenda in the manner they have for decades. For example, in 2014, the National Institutes of Health approved a grant to EcoHealth Alliance designated for research into “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence.” The project involved collaborating with researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to study coronaviruses in bats and the risk of potential transfer to humans. Trump's administration approved further funding of the NIH's projects.
Please go and do some reading about viruses to understand why the idea of an "investigation" into the origin is a silly idea.
What needs to be investigated is a how the next global response will occur so that spread and death will be minimised.
That involves reviewing what went wrong this time, and addressing those shortfalls.

 

[hja]

We know the origin - bats.

We know the origin - bats.
We don't know the intermediate species, but that's why there is this international industry called science.
China happens to have some of the best scientists in the world, plus advanced research facilities, so along with other interested nations and organisations they won't have any concerns about progressing a scientific agenda in the manner they have for decades. For example, in 2014, the National Institutes of Health approved a grant to EcoHealth Alliance designated for research into “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence.” The project involved collaborating with researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to study coronaviruses in bats and the risk of potential transfer to humans. Trump's administration approved further funding of the NIH's projects.
Please go and do some reading about viruses to understand why the idea of an "investigation" into the origin is a silly idea.
What needs to be investigated is a how the next global response will occur so that spread and death will be minimised.
That involves reviewing what went wrong this time, and addressing those shortfalls.

So what's the problem in letting outsiders investigate INDEPENDENTLY the context how it originated? What's China hiding to have to use their self-promoted/proclaimed, UNTOUCHABLE organisations and scientists as a front and smoke screen ad nauseam? Please consider how obscure and silly your narrow view is.

 

[rederob]

So what's the problem in letting outsiders investigate INDEPENDENTLY the context how it originated? What's China hiding to have to use their self-promoted/proclaimed, UNTOUCHABLE organisations and scientists as a front and smoke screen ad nauseam? Please consider how obscure and silly your narrow view is.

Have you understood anything in this thread?
The Spanish flu occurred over 100 years ago and we never knew its origin.
SARS-CoV was discovered 17 years ago and we still don't know its origin.
You somehow think China would not want to discover COV19's origin through scientific endeavour, and have no rational basis for your idea.
China has expressed a willingness to work with the WHO on an appropriate agenda.
Rather than inflict your bile into posts, apply some common sense.
Common sense tells us that viruses have no boundaries.
Common sense tells us to be prepared.
Common sense tells us never to blame victims.

 

[hja]

Have you understood anything in this thread?
China has expressed a willingness to work with the WHO on an appropriate agenda.
Ratheoared
sts, apply some common sense.
Common sense tells us that viruses ha
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sts, apply some common sense.s ha
Common sense tells us to be prep. victims.

Again with your big bold statements.
Appropriate agenda -- whatever that means. That's meaningless like the rest of your gibberish.

The agenda is China is in cahoots with WHO.

China would not want outsiders to discover COV19's origin through scientific endeavour

Fixed.

 

[SirRumpole]

The Spanish flu occurred over 100 years ago and we never knew its origin.

Science has come a long way in a 100 years.