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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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basilio said:
Excellent summary of the repeated warnings about the inevitability of another pandemic and the need to invest modest amounts to to prevent and deal with it.
Also highlights the fact that US intelligence realised Wuhan was dealing with a disastrous epidemic in November 2019. They reported and updated the US government repeatedly on this situation through December and January.

In fact they were advising the Trump administration for at least 6 weeks before WHO was making universal reports on the dangers posed by this epidemic

Join the dots on why the US was totally unprepared for the eventual fallout.:rolleyes:
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It does beg the question, if this is a coincidental cross species infection from a bat and is causing all this angst and death, climate change is the least of our problems.
How many bats are there.:eek:
Just my opinion, don't shoot the messenger.
 
jbocker said:
I worry a little about how well we are doing wrt the numbers, particularly here in the West. It is said that most of our Covid-19 numbers are from Overseas travellers and in particular cruise ships. It is good that we have these under some sort of control. What is a nagging concern, are those few that are locally transmitted. These might be the few hidden seeds that could easily ignite a flood of new hosts. I hope the 'distancing' and 'stay at home' rigour holds out in the near term. and I thank all who are doing the right thing, particularly the young, whom this does not affect so tragically. The quicker we get on top of this the quicker we can ALL get out and return to normal.
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After Easter we find out 7 to 14 days later to be honest most are doing the right thing (Mandurah) that I have seen still a few too many going to holiday homes in the area and my street.
 
IFocus said:
After Easter we find out 7 to 14 days later to be honest most are doing the right thing (Mandurah) that I have seen still a few too many going to holiday homes in the area and my street.
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Too true, there is a humungus boat in the inlet, with jetskis and ski boat in tow.
 
Thinking about all this some more and looking at data and so on, I'm wondering if population density is a factor?

Looking at the US it's roughly a 11:1 ratio in infections between New York versus Los Angeles. NY has a very much higher density than LA in terms of development and living arrangements so I wonder if that's a factor in NY being a much greater problem?

Also transport is substantially different with the role of public transport being far more dominant in NY than it is in LA where cars dominate as a means of getting around. All those people squashed together standing in subway trains..... :2twocents
 
These two stories related to the same incident are from mid-November. Whether these are related to COVID-19 or not, we may never find out, but of concern is China's initial response is to cover up.

Their apprehension was purportedly exacerbated by Li Jifeng, a physician at Beijing Chaoyang Hospital, who said on social media she had treated the two patients on 3 November, according to the Journal. The Wednesday post, which remained online for several hours before it was deleted, indicated that one of the patients was a man who had difficulty breathing and became feverish 10 days before arriving at the Beijing hospital.


Two people diagnosed with ‘severe and viral’ plague in China

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lth-virus-a9203066.html?utm_source=reddit.com

The Real Reason to Panic About China’s Plague Outbreak

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/16/china-bubonic-plague-outbreak-pandemic/

 
For no particular reason other than that I found it, I thought I'd post a photo of myself.

As you can see, I was well prepared for this virus - the photo was taken in 2002 and yes it's definitely me. :xyxthumbs

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Influenza antiviral Avigan® (favipiravir) to enter Phase III trials in COVID-19 patients
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The developers of Avigan have increased production and announced a Phase III clinical trial testing its efficacy against COVID-19.​

FUJIFILM Toyama Chemical Co. Ltd. have announced a Phase III trial to evaluate the safety and efficacy of its influenza antiviral drug, Avigan® Tablet (favipiravir) for patients of COVID-19.

Avigan is approved for manufacture and sale in Japan as an influenza antiviral. It selectively inhibits the RNA polymerase of the influenza virus, an enzyme required for viral replication once human host cells are infected. COVID-19 also uses this enzyme to replicate and is classified into the same type of single-stranded RNA virus as influenza; hence, it is believed that Avigan may be effective in treating COVID-19.

Avigan is only used when there is an outbreak of novel or re-emerging influenza virus infections in which other influenza antiviral drugs are either not effective or insufficiently effective. Its production and distribution is at the discretion of Japan’s Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry, so has never been distributed in the market and is not available at hospitals and pharmacies in Japan or overseas.​

 
DB008 said:
Influenza antiviral Avigan® (favipiravir) to enter Phase III trials in COVID-19 patients
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The developers of Avigan have increased production and announced a Phase III clinical trial testing its efficacy against COVID-19.​

FUJIFILM Toyama Chemical Co. Ltd. have announced a Phase III trial to evaluate the safety and efficacy of its influenza antiviral drug, Avigan® Tablet (favipiravir) for patients of COVID-19.

Avigan is approved for manufacture and sale in Japan as an influenza antiviral. It selectively inhibits the RNA polymerase of the influenza virus, an enzyme required for viral replication once human host cells are infected. COVID-19 also uses this enzyme to replicate and is classified into the same type of single-stranded RNA virus as influenza; hence, it is believed that Avigan may be effective in treating COVID-19.

Avigan is only used when there is an outbreak of novel or re-emerging influenza virus infections in which other influenza antiviral drugs are either not effective or insufficiently effective. Its production and distribution is at the discretion of Japan’s Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry, so has never been distributed in the market and is not available at hospitals and pharmacies in Japan or overseas.​

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Could be wrong but i think i remember reading that the french trial by the Marseille controversial professor use BOTH the antimalarial product and this chemical under another name
 
Very worrying and sadly confirming my suspicions about EVER finding a vaccine.from the ABC coronavirus thread..no point sharing link as info disappears from the front
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South Korean officials have reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again, in what they call "reactivated" cases of COVID-19.
Hopes have to focus on treatments IMHO
 
Racism towards foreigners in China is reaching new highs. 'Taking out the trash' and bashing anyone who isn't Chinese is going bonkers.

Any foreign company producing medical supplies in China (eg 3M) - products manufactured in China were to be kept in China and then any Chinese linked business around the world were ordered to purchase medical supplies and take them back to China. Screw the host country, China more important.


Shows China's true colours and how reliant the world is on China. The West sold out to China.

Surprised that a hashtag #Boycott China has started.

 
DB008 said:
Racism towards foreigners in China is reaching new highs. 'Taking out the trash' and bashing anyone who isn't Chinese is going bonkers.

Any foreign company producing medical supplies in China (eg 3M) - products manufactured in China were to be kept in China and then any Chinese linked business around the world were ordered to purchase medical supplies and take them back to China. Screw the host country, China more important.


Shows China's true colours and how reliant the world is on China. The West sold out to China.

Surprised that a hashtag #Boycott China has started.

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You seem to forget that early on in Australia, Chinese restaurants were closing their doors despite none of their employees having had visited China at the time the virus was known about. It was rampant racism ruling pragmatism.
Then you rely on old news about local Chinese sending much needed medical supplies to help Wuhan help tens of thousands of infected people, while we had only tens. Even in the USA some States are sending equipment to New York because their need is greater.
But the real hypocrisy is that when China has a chance to return the favour, you want to make it a dirty political game. I suggest you have a chat to Twiggy who will sort you out real smart.
 
Asia took the virus more seriously than the west, having had several flu epidemics to counter in recent decades.
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Were it not for the blight of cruise ship infections, Australia and New Zealand would have kept a better lid on the virus than all other nations except for, perhaps, Taiwan.
 
rederob said:
Asia took the virus more seriously than the west, having had several flu epidemics to counter in recent decades.
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Were it not for the blight of cruise ship infections, Australia and New Zealand would have kept a better lid on the virus than all other nations except for, perhaps, Taiwan.
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Superb graphic, shows the world magnitude. You mention Taiwan I have been compiling statistics of populations similar to Australia, I will post soon but there is little to compare. Pity North Korea are not publishing stats as they are nearest wrt population size.
 
rederob said:
You seem to forget that early on in Australia, Chinese restaurants were closing their doors despite none of their employees having had visited China at the time the virus was known about. It was rampant racism ruling pragmatism.
Then you rely on old news about local Chinese sending much needed medical supplies to help Wuhan help tens of thousands of infected people, while we had only tens. Even in the USA some States are sending equipment to New York because their need is greater.
But the real hypocrisy is that when China has a chance to return the favour, you want to make it a dirty political game. I suggest you have a chat to Twiggy who will sort you out real smart.
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China kept a lid on how serious this was and blindsided the world. Then they scoop up medical supplies under our noses. You are in denial.
 
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