Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[sptrawler]

W.A to increase testing significantly from tomorrow:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04...expanded-fever-respiratory-infection/12132786:
From the article:
Western Australia will significantly increase coronavirus testing starting from tomorrow, with anyone who has had a fever or acute respiratory infection in recent days now eligible to be checked for the virus.
Mr Cook said the expanded testing criteria meant from tomorrow any person with a fever of 38 degrees Celsius or higher — or who had one in recent days — or an acute respiratory infection would be eligible to be tested.

That would include anybody with symptoms such as a shortness of breath, cough or sore throat.

"This is a significant change and means we will capture a much wider proportion of the public," he said.

"This will ensure we are able to find new cases, protect the vulnerable and ensure we track the movement of the virus in the community.

"If you have symptoms, then please go to the clinics and be tested.

 

[qldfrog]

How are people responding to the isolation in your area frog?
I was talking to a close friend who owns a small building company, he is closing up, also in the next factory unit there is a building maint company 20 employees (closed).
It seems as though things are starting to bite hard.

Not really sure, in isolation so can not judge: one neighbour: a plumber is home everyday it seems, another: a lady was working in a restaurant/cafe and the place is now closed;another a painter still has work, and the last one an airplane maintenance engineer is mowing the place to death.no wonder..
I would say 3 or 4 employed out of 10 or so immediate neighbours..i have a lot of neighbours....

 

[wayneL]

Interesting thread here on how covid affects us and why they believe medications work.

 

[qldfrog]

Interesting theory, so far i read it was inflammation at the lung interface reducing 02 transfer capacity, worsened by fluids build up in the lungs alveoli..
If the above is true, could lead to different better treatments

 

[Knobby22]

If.

 

[qldfrog]

If.

Indeed we know so little and knowledge need time, stats then potential use of the info.
Maybe an iron supplement or boost could be all what is needed
I hope our healthcare is liaising with China,as they tried a lot of things
Like vitamin C drip etc
I mean Chinese doctors , not the gov of China..

 

[Knobby22]

The Chinese did a study with that drug and it didn't work. I think we have to look elsewhere. There was hope the Aids anti viral drugs would work but they failed also.
It's like that horse virus. Very hard to treat.

Mesoblast have that anti inflammatory drugs that appears to show some success that the Chinese are testing.

There is also the treatment from the USA that involves taking immune cells from people who have recovered but you practically need to be a billionaire to afford the treatment, if you can get it.

Personally I think the lupis/malaria treatments are just being used to give people hope while they look.

 

[qldfrog]

The worst state in australia by far, thanks God we did not have a cruise ship terminal...
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...-potential-covid-19-drug-20200408-p54ic1.html

The Chinese did a study with that drug and it didn't work. I think we have to look elsewhere. There was hope the Aids anti viral drugs would work but they failed also.
It's like that horse virus. Very hard to treat.

Mesoblast have that anti inflammatory drugs that appears to show some success that the Chinese are testing.

There is also the treatment from the USA that involves taking immune cells from people who have recovered but you practically need to be a billionaire to afford the treatment, if you can get it.

Personally I think the lupis/malaria treatments are just being used to give people hope while they look.

That drug and an antiviral has had very good results on 2 different trials in France..
That Jeannette we have here: I would not trust her to even prescribe me a cold remedy.I imagine how the professionals must be if I can feel that way with very basic science knowledge

 

[qldfrog]

I wil

The Chinese did a study with that drug and it didn't work. I think we have to look elsewhere. There was hope the Aids anti viral drugs would work but they failed also.
It's like that horse virus. Very hard to treat.

Mesoblast have that anti inflammatory drugs that appears to show some success that the Chinese are testing.

There is also the treatment from the USA that involves taking immune cells from people who have recovered but you practically need to be a billionaire to afford the treatment, if you can get it.

Personally I think the lupis/malaria treatments are just being used to give people hope while they look.

l try to find you the test trials results from the Marseille specialist

 

[qldfrog]

https://www.ft.com/content/679024aa-d70a-49df-9c77-e4d9967c0f2d
make your own opinion..For me, it is a winner, we will have to wait to see if he was right while thousands will die.And this article is highly critical..i

 

[Knobby22]

It's walled. I can't see it. Can you post conclusion qldfrog?

 

[Knobby22]

Found this:
https://www.ft.com/content/679024aa-d70a-49df-9c77-e4d9967c0f2d

I note some criticism but also a large trial is taking place - hope the news is good.

Scientists in Europe and globally are now studying the protocol in larger, controlled trials. One trial now enrolling 1,300 high-risk patients at 36 French hospitals of hydroxychloroquine against a placebo aims to “end the controversy” in the coming weeks. Another trial of about 3,200 patients in eight European countries will compare outcomes from standard hospital care for Covid-19 against four experimental treatments. Hydroxychloroquine will be tested along with Gilead Sciences’ remdesivir, and combinations of antiretrovirals usually used to treat HIV.

 

[Knobby22]

Also:

Melbourne, Australia; Thursday April 9, 2020; and New York, USA; Wednesday April 8, 2020: Mesoblast Limited (ASX:MSB; Nasdaq:MESO) today announced that its allogeneic mesenchymal stem cell (MSC) product candidate remestemcel-L will be formally evaluated in a randomized, placebo-controlled trial in 240 patients with acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) caused by coronavirus infection (COVID-19).
This multi-center Phase 2/3 trial will be conducted as a public-private partnership in a collaboration with the Cardiothoracic Surgical Trials Network (CTSN), which was established by the United States National Institutes of Health’s National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute (NHLBI) as a flexible platform for conducting collaborative trials. Mesoblast holds an Investigational New Drug (IND) Application from the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use of remestemcel-L in the treatment of patients with COVID-19 ARDS, and will provide investigational product for the trial.

 

[spooly74]

Interesting thread here on how covid affects us and why they believe medications work.

Wonder what the survival rate for those put ventilators after being admitted to ICU is?

Perhaps we'll see a shift away from intubation for the critically ill and try to get O2 into the bloodstream via a different method before organ failure.

 

[spooly74]

Wonder what the survival rate for those put ventilators after being admitted to ICU is?

Perhaps we'll see a shift away from intubation for the critically ill and try to get O2 into the bloodstream via a different method before organ failure.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients

Most coronavirus patients who end up on ventilators go on to die, according to several small studies from the U.S., China and Europe.

An alternative treatment is ECMO.
How widely available is this?

 

[Knobby22]

So if you are on a ventilator, chances are you will live longer but still die. Pretty bad.

 

[sptrawler]

So if you are on a ventilator, chances are you will live longer but still die. Pretty bad.

They would only put people who were going to die without the ventilator, so they are probably in a terrible way, before they were put on it.
The whole episode is just sad, what a way to end your life, drowning in your own mucus not nice.

 

[sptrawler]

I had to laugh at my Mum the other day, I was talking to her on the phone and told her we were home schooling the grandkids, she said why aren't they at school? We had to go to school when planes were dropping bombs on us and had to run to shelters when the sirens started.
I guess if it isn't one thing it's another.

 

[basilio]

IMV the serious problem will be preventing COVID 19 from decimating poorer countries - particularly if they have nuclear weapons. What happens with a failed state that still has a deadly military capacity ?
Pakistan is on the front pages here.

Pakistan doctors beaten by police as they despair of 'untreatable' pandemic
Lack of equipment, dysfunctional government and conflicting messages are impeding country’s efforts against virus
Hannah Ellis-Petersen in Delhi and Shah Meer Baloch

Thu 9 Apr 2020 10.00 AEST

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Police arrest doctors and paramedics at a protest in Quetta, Balochistan, on Monday. Photograph: Banaras Khan/AFP/Getty
Doctors in Pakistan have warned of “deplorable” conditions on the frontlines of the country’s coronavirus outbreak, describing the pandemic as untreatable in one region and accusing police of brutally suppressing protests over working conditions.

One doctor who took part in a sit-in on Monday to protest against a lack of personal protective equipment said he had been “beaten and humiliated” by police.

“In the beginning, I thought, ‘How could police use violence against the frontline fighters of Covid-19 when some days ago the same officers had saluted us for leading during the pandemic?’” said Amanullah, speaking from the police station where he was being held in Quetta, in the Balochistan region.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rs-beaten-police-despair-untreatable-pandemic

 

[qldfrog]

It's walled. I can't see it. Can you post conclusion qldfrog?

I was offered a one survey question and i was in.. content more or less what you described after