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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Smurf1976 said:
2. A broader concern, separate to the virus but made very obvious by it, that Australia is too dependent on other countries of which China just happens to be the most obvious but not the only one.

:2twocents
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Possibly the point in which we are forced to grow up. China was an easy meal ticket. Problem is that we are beggars at the table.
 
W.A has problems with cruise ships refusing to go home.
https://www.watoday.com.au/national...ship-chaos-off-fremantle-20200325-p54dtn.html
From the article:
The Artania requested assistance with health assessments and COVID-19 testing last night. WA Health Department clinicians are on board the ship, but results of testing will not be known until later tonight.

The Magnifica has been denied access to ports in Dubai, which was its next port of call, and returned to Fremantle.

Mr McGowan said he would not rule out seeking the Commonwealth's assistance to stop the ships docking in Fremantle, including deploying measures used in 2001 to stop the Norwegian ship MV Tampa bringing asylum seekers to enter Australian waters.

The SAS was deployed to take control of the ship and prevent it coming alongside an Australian port.

"Those two ships need to go home," Mr McGowan said.


"The Magnifica and the Artania both need to leave and go back to their port of origin and leave as soon as possible.

"That's why we're requesting Commonwealth government assistance in relation to a range of things, for instance if we need to medivac someone whose life is at risk off one of the ships to save their life.

"We might also need assistance and cooperation in terms of stopping the ships from actually coming into port."

And another ship due to return to Perth with Australians on board:

Mr McGowan said preparations were under way for Australian passengers on board the Vasco da Gama to be quarantined on Rottnest.

There are 800 Australians, including 200 West Australians, on board the ship.


"For the last two days, we have cleared the island of visitors and made arrangements for accommodation, catering and security," he said.

"We're exercising the Rottnest option now to protect the safety of the Australian passengers and to protect the WA community from any possible infection."

The Premier said all crew and foreign nationals would remain on the ship until arrangements are made to fly them directly out of the country.

They would only be allowed to disembark to travel by strict supervision directly to the airport or if they need urgent medical attention to survive.

Mr McGowan said about a quarter of WA's COVID-19 cases had been linked to cruise ships from the eastern states.
 
sptrawler said:
W.A has problems with cruise ships refusing to go home.
https://www.watoday.com.au/national...ship-chaos-off-fremantle-20200325-p54dtn.html
From the article:
The Artania requested assistance with health assessments and COVID-19 testing last night. WA Health Department clinicians are on board the ship, but results of testing will not be known until later tonight.

The Magnifica has been denied access to ports in Dubai, which was its next port of call, and returned to Fremantle.

Mr McGowan said he would not rule out seeking the Commonwealth's assistance to stop the ships docking in Fremantle, including deploying measures used in 2001 to stop the Norwegian ship MV Tampa bringing asylum seekers to enter Australian waters.

The SAS was deployed to take control of the ship and prevent it coming alongside an Australian port.

"Those two ships need to go home," Mr McGowan said.


"The Magnifica and the Artania both need to leave and go back to their port of origin and leave as soon as possible.

"That's why we're requesting Commonwealth government assistance in relation to a range of things, for instance if we need to medivac someone whose life is at risk off one of the ships to save their life.

"We might also need assistance and cooperation in terms of stopping the ships from actually coming into port."

And another ship due to return to Perth with Australians on board:

Mr McGowan said preparations were under way for Australian passengers on board the Vasco da Gama to be quarantined on Rottnest.

There are 800 Australians, including 200 West Australians, on board the ship.


"For the last two days, we have cleared the island of visitors and made arrangements for accommodation, catering and security," he said.

"We're exercising the Rottnest option now to protect the safety of the Australian passengers and to protect the WA community from any possible infection."

The Premier said all crew and foreign nationals would remain on the ship until arrangements are made to fly them directly out of the country.

They would only be allowed to disembark to travel by strict supervision directly to the airport or if they need urgent medical attention to survive.

Mr McGowan said about a quarter of WA's COVID-19 cases had been linked to cruise ships from the eastern states.
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How do they get in without tugs and a pilot?
 
How do you think this industry is going to fare after this calms down.
Cruises to me are like groundhog day
 
Humid said:
How do they get in without tugs and a pilot?
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These new cruise ships, run high tech navigation and side thrusters and rotating propeller pods (azipods) which can rotate the main propellers position 360 deg , from what I have seen they can dock no problem.:cool:
The tugs and pilot are only a safety and cursory measure, with the pilot I think it is mostly past practice and custom, with an insurance component.
 
Worked on ships for years and you can’t just steam into Freo harbour without tugs and a pilot
 
Humid said:
Worked on ships for years and you can’t just steam into Freo harbour without tugs and a pilot
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They don't use steam.:p except in the laundry.
But getting back to Freo, I have arrived here on a few ships and the new one's have the tug connected, but a loose line.
I was on the Ovation of the seas when it first came a couple of years back, it did a 180 turn in the harbour, not a lot of room front and back, the tugs stood by but didn't get involved.
 
A bit off topic, but just to clear up the issue.
https://www.krbd.org/2020/02/06/as-cruise-ships-get-bigger-southeasts-tug-fleet-lags-behind/
From the article:
“Two years ago, the size of vessels coming to Southeast jumped dramatically with the Norwegian Bliss. And then this last year, the Norwegian joy was added, and the Ovation of the Seas and the Royal Princess,” he said reached by phone.

Alaska requires licensed pilots like him to guide foreign-flagged ships in state waters.

But Herring says these megaships generally don’t need any help getting into and out of port.

“These big ships are very maneuverable,” he said. “They’re built to not require tugs to get to the dock and away from the dock.”

In fact, if they did need tugs, they’d have to look elsewhere. In 2019, Herring’s organization, Southeast Alaska Pilots’ Association published a study recommending larger tractor tugs capable of pulling megaships. And the pilots say there aren’t any of those in Southeast Alaska.

By the way H, I have my marine seconds ticket (theory), we are like brothers, hey.:D
 



I noticed the narrative was different to what actually happened in a post above. Just so we are clear on the attempted cover up.
 
Humid said:
How do you think this industry is going to fare after this calms down.
Cruises to me are like groundhog day
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A lot will depend on how well they mitigate peoples loses this time, I'm out of pocket $10k for flights & cruises that have been cancelled, they all say you will be reimbursed but seeing is believing IMO.
 
sptrawler said:
A bit off topic, but just to clear up the issue.
https://www.krbd.org/2020/02/06/as-cruise-ships-get-bigger-southeasts-tug-fleet-lags-behind/
From the article:
“Two years ago, the size of vessels coming to Southeast jumped dramatically with the Norwegian Bliss. And then this last year, the Norwegian joy was added, and the Ovation of the Seas and the Royal Princess,” he said reached by phone.

Alaska requires licensed pilots like him to guide foreign-flagged ships in state waters.

But Herring says these megaships generally don’t need any help getting into and out of port.

“These big ships are very maneuverable,” he said. “They’re built to not require tugs to get to the dock and away from the dock.”

In fact, if they did need tugs, they’d have to look elsewhere. In 2019, Herring’s organization, Southeast Alaska Pilots’ Association published a study recommending larger tractor tugs capable of pulling megaships. And the pilots say there aren’t any of those in Southeast Alaska.

By the way H, I have my marine seconds ticket (theory), we are like brothers, hey.:D
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I was working on azimuth drive vessels 30 years ago nothing new
 
Humid said:
I was working on azimuth drive vessels 30 years ago nothing new
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These new monsters when they dock, they generally have a tug escort, but they just stand by in case anything goes wrong. From what I have seen.
Anyway off topic, but an interesting topic.
 
meantime... yesterday in Italy... 683 deaths. That's nearly one every two minutes. And nearly all from pulmonary failure. (Described as 'drowning in air' if you need a simple concept of how death comes)
 
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