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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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grah33 said:
what about you Bell., do you think this is a man-made weapon?
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It is not out of the question, but as I am no expert in the field I have to rely on those that are. I have read two credible sources that says it is natural and not man made and the sources that claim it is man made tend to be those that push many other conspiracy theories.

If it were man made I also think the release would have had to have been accidental. Infecting your own people deliberately, even if they had a working vaccine and cure, would be a ridiculous thing to do. It could get out of control far too easily. Much better to cause an outbreak near a US military base in Iraq or Germany say and just let the outrage and finger pointing be directed at the US.
 
bellenuit said:
If it were man made I also think the release would have had to have been accidental. Infecting your own people deliberately, even if they had a working vaccine and cure, would be a ridiculous thing to do.
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Even more so when they ended up shutting down at a cost of many $ billions to deal with it. Makes no sense whatsoever.

But then allowing planes to keep flying to Australia as the outbreak was unfolding also makes no sense at all if the aim was to prevent the spread of the virus. :2twocents
 
My bet very high is on a virus escapee from the Wuhan lab, based on probabilities, a study of the genome by indian university researchers pointing to unique HIV and SARS sequences found in the new virus.releas3d just after the genetic sequence of the virus was released..2 months ago or so
Since, this news has been extinguished, the links removed etc
It is a very simple fact to confirm or prove wrong
Yet now all searches try to focuse on the dars part...originating from bats..and whatever snake pangolin etc
If proven man made, it can lead to war so do not expect to hear about this HIV sequence soon..but i like truth over diplomacy
No, i do not think China released it on purpose, but they will never ever admit to an accident..save face plus liability
 
qldfrog said:
My bet very high is on a virus escapee from the Wuhan lab, based on probabilities, a study of the genome by indian university researchers pointing to unique HIV and SARS sequences found in the new virus.releas3d just after the genetic sequence of the virus was released..2 months ago or so
Since, this news has been extinguished, the links removed etc
It is a very simple fact to confirm or prove wrong
Yet now all searches try to focuse on the dars part...originating from bats..and whatever snake pangolin etc
If proven man made, it can lead to war so do not expect to hear about this HIV sequence soon..but i like truth over diplomacy
No, i do not think China released it on purpose, but they will never ever admit to an accident..save face plus liability
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ing-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon
 
Although it being a man made virus is highly improbable, I believe a question mark should be raised over whether China deliberately wanted to spread the virus to other countries once it had taken hold in its own country. I'm not sure what the motivation might be other than the hope they themselves would not be singled out if any quarantining or embargoing were to subsequently take place.

Recall their criticism of the US and Australian ban on travellers from China, which undoubtedly resulted in both our figures being a lot less than otherwise. China said at the time that they were just basing their criticism on advice from the WHO, who did say at the time that restricting travel would be counter productive. But it could be an example of the tail wagging the dog. The WHO's (or at least their chief spokesman) was gushing in praise for China's actions and when asked about China keeping it quiet for so long avoided answering and just said we should look to the future. It could possibly be the case that China told him that restricting travel would be counter productive and he just simply assumed that to be the case due to his gushing admiration for what China were doing. But the crazy thing is that allowing unrestricted travel was the exact opposite to the steps China were taking in Wuhan and elsewhere at the time.
 
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For now, it doesn't matter to us whether it is a natural virus or syntheticly created, we just have to deal with what *is*

There is going to be a huge disinformation program (as always) that will make it so confusing that it will be impossible for we plebeians to get to the bottom of it. So I'm just not going to sweat it.

However as a point, all my science clients (though admittedly none are virologists or epidemiologists) think it is manufactured... so it's not just conspiracy theorists.

<edit to add> though one is a research geneticist , so there's that.
 
IFocus said:
Scientists say

An analysis of public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses found no evidence that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm
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Very simple question: is the HIV sequence mentioned in the indian research paper present or not?
You or I can not answer that
and I doubt this is answered clearly by any of these papers
Anyway as repeated many times already, the **** is out and it does not matter anymore. BUT:
It will matter when a country will start rattling sabres and accuses China, releasing these sequences publicly with noone able to deny it scientifically.
For the time being, may you all survive against the best tries of your government: do not forget to vote this weekend Queensland, share the pens, the booth ,queue,your hand IDs
The great communal spirit..
I believe at no time have we tried to stop it, a la South Korea
We are slowly tweaking the lockdown levels to ensure every one gets it hoping that our slow down will flatten the curve
I can understand it but the government should have been honest from the start and tell us how many thousands will die
I also believe that ultimately,it will be more costly $ wise than a proper test /track/rigid quarantine options easily available in January
Just not sure Australians would have accepted it: mask wearing, constraints and rules following..we are more Italy than Japan, so with same results ahead
Take care, you or some of your loves will get it
 
Now for some figures from France
1100 deads in hospitals,
Important: aged care homes deaths are NOT registered, and patients there are not sent to hospital for treatment, the virus is making a carnage among the older ...
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22.300 cas confirmés sur le territoire. Acutellement, 10.176 personnes sont hospitalisées, dont 2516 dans un état grave en réanimation, soit 434 de plus qu'hier. 34% de ces patients en état grave ont moins de 60 ans"
So out of 2516 in ICU and in a bad state, 34% are less than 60y old
Obviously the very old are not treated and only hospitalized persons are tested so it is not easy to compare.Italy also officially recognised real infection level is around 10 times detected nu.bers as they also only test hospitalized persons
All the above for more figures and wakeup call for people still believing only older are affected.
Most of our ASF members are at a non insignificant risk
 
I thought this story on the effect of the crisis on mental health was on song. I chose to copy in the final observation.
Well worth a think.

We face a pandemic of mental health disorders. Those who do it hardest need our support
Paul Daley
Ironically, there has never been a time when we need to be – metaphorically – in tighter social embrace

....I’ve never known a smile at a stranger a safe distance away on the street to go so far as it seems to these days.

Finding snippets of beauty where we can, and acting with kindness – and love – must be part of the answer in these most terrible of times.

The future of civil society depends on it.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ders-those-who-do-it-hardest-need-our-support
 
I get where satan was coming from.
Personally I think we have turned into a nation of narcissistic soft c0cks who don't have their priorities in order. Life of excess is about to come to a screaming halt.

God forbid if war ever broke out.
 
A success story from the Italian town of VO, everyone tested, wouldn't it be nice to have some test kits. Actually wouldn't it be nice if we actually made the test kits here?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...cking-the-countrys-coronavirus-curve/12075048

Hopefully this is a wake up call to the Government, to keep some form of medical Laboratories here, even if it has to be a sub department of CSIRO. Maybe we could call it CSL MK2.:rolleyes:, it's a shame we offshored the serum laboratories.:(
 
qldfrog said:
Very simple question: is the HIV sequence mentioned in the indian research paper present or not?
You or I can not answer that
and I doubt this is answered clearly by any of these papers
Anyway as repeated many times already, the **** is out and it does not matter anymore. BUT:
It will matter when a country will start rattling sabres and accuses China, releasing these sequences publicly with noone able to deny it scientifically.
For the time being, may you all survive against the best tries of your government: do not forget to vote this weekend Queensland, share the pens, the booth ,queue,your hand IDs
The great communal spirit..
I believe at no time have we tried to stop it, a la South Korea
We are slowly tweaking the lockdown levels to ensure every one gets it hoping that our slow down will flatten the curve
I can understand it but the government should have been honest from the start and tell us how many thousands will die
I also believe that ultimately,it will be more costly $ wise than a proper test /track/rigid quarantine options easily available in January
Just not sure Australians would have accepted it: mask wearing, constraints and rules following..we are more Italy than Japan, so with same results ahead
Take care, you or some of your loves will get it
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I keep an open mind but haven't seen any research saying its manufactured to be honest if it was then I would expect Trump would release that information immediately rather than call it the China virus.
 
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