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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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satanoperca said:
It has not disappeared magically from China, and total lock downs are not going to solve this issue.
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No, it didn't disappear magically from China. It was stopped by using total lockdowns.

A town in Italy tested everyone in the town and isolated all those who tested positive. There were no more infections in that town following that. This also adds proof to the efficacy of total lockdowns.
 
satanoperca said:
F---k, doesn't anyone, or is everyone just apathetic to this situation. Australians have no fighting spirit left.

This virus was released, whether intentionally or deliberate to cause chaos on western societies and financial institutions.

We have been played, by the best players in the world, the Chinese.

It has not disappeared magically from China, and total lock downs are not going to solve this issue.

A govnuts released it to cause damage, to fight a trade war, while being well aware there are going to be causalities.

Address the problem, the origin, then build a solution, our govnuts are weak and are playing exactly into the hand of the chinese. Please don't call be racist, look at facts, draw reasonable conclusions, we have all be played by the masters of concur by trade and not force.

The USA have missed this, they will enviably caused more destruction to it's people than this virus.
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Intentionally or deliberate.....is there a 3rd option?
 
bellenuit said:
No, it didn't disappear magically from China. It was stopped by using total lockdowns.

A town in Italy tested everyone in the town and isolated all those who tested positive. There were no more infections in that town following that. This also adds proof to the efficacy of total lockdowns.
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So naive, hope you prove me wrong.

And lets just hypothesis that lock downs eradicate a virus, what do we do next time, which might be in the next 6months, do it again and again and again, until normal humans are willing to kill to survive.

If SARs and now Corona come from China, then locked the boarders to China until they can show, prove, demonstrate that they will not f---k the world.

PS there is not evidence except from China that they prevented the spread of their disease through lockdowns. The chances that of a country of over 1B people that in a matter of weeks they have stopped it.

Use the pub rule and common sense.
 
Humid said:
Intentionally or deliberate.....is there a 3rd option?
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yes 3rd option:
a **** up escaping from the Wuhan lab, but China paid dearly, I think around USD500 billions so far,
Nothing as opposed to the west coming cost, mostly due to our arrogance/incompetence/whatever it is which make governments and people not take lessons of history, even when history is just a month old...aka Italy vs Australia
 
The MIL is getting stressed about getting books, as the library has closed, looks like I'm going to have to get her a kindle.
That will be a nightmare she hates technology, the second problem is she hasn't got the internet, or an email account.:eek:
 
basilio said:
For those here whose job or business has collapsed and will need some financial support. Please note this also includes uni students.

Am I eligible for Centrelink payments?
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I'm binge watching " Houso's " as an instructional... It's a Masterclass in how to behave on welfare...
So if anyones out there and has direct contact to Pauly and the crew? Say Cheers..

And watch out to other readers of the Thread ... The nutbag conspiracists are popping in showing their complete lack of knowledge of science, its evolution and history. Alex & Al Jones Listeners ... If only they'd read widely(unlikely to help; Attention span of knats).. And if only the virus focused on idiots.

good luck all...
And bring on the Universal Basic Income... And a Federal ICAC..
 
Do they know for sure how this outbreak originally started in Wuhan? I haven't read anything definitive yet about pinpointing a specific source.

I'm not really into conspiracy theories, but sometimes I can't help wondering if it was released intentionally.
 
greggles said:
Do they know for sure how this outbreak originally started in Wuhan? I haven't read anything definitive yet about pinpointing a specific source.
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Only thing I've read which seemed to be based on proper research cleared pangolins as not possibly being the cause.

Ultimately my expectation is that US and other Western intelligence agencies will work it out if they haven't already. It will never be said publicly but observing the relationship between China and Western governments over the coming years and reading between the lines will reveal the answer in practice one way or the other. :2twocents
 
This is the big one

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...virus-cases-may-be-silent-carriers-classified

Not 80,000 but 120,000 cases in China (by the end of Feb). Asymptomatics are transmitters, epidemiologists are worried
A joint study by experts in China, the US, Britain and Hong Kong estimated that mild and asymptomatic cases were the source of infection of almost 80 per cent of documented cases found in Chinese city of Wuhan, the epicentre of the pandemic, before it was locked down on January 23.

“These undocumented infections often experience mild, limited, or no symptoms and hence go unrecognised, and, depending on their contagiousness and numbers, can expose a far greater portion of the population to the virus than would otherwise occur,” wrote the team from Columbia University, the University of Hong Kong, Imperial College London, Tsinghua University, and the University of California, Davis. China’s decision to not include asymptomatic confirmed cases found after February 7 significantly reduced the number of new infections it reported as President Xi Jinping oversaw the country’s “people’s war” on the coronavirus. The decision to leave asymptomatic patients out of the country’s confirmed tally did not impact on the success of its quarantine efforts because, while not counted, patients without symptoms were still isolated in coronavirus facilities.
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bellenuit said:
No, it didn't disappear magically from China. It was stopped by using total lockdowns.

A town in Italy tested everyone in the town and isolated all those who tested positive. There were no more infections in that town following that. This also adds proof to the efficacy of total lockdowns.
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what about you Bell., do you think this is a man-made weapon?
 
Smurf1976 said:
Only thing I've read which seemed to be based on proper research cleared pangolins as not possibly being the cause.

Ultimately my expectation is that US and other Western intelligence agencies will work it out if they haven't already. It will never be said publicly but observing the relationship between China and Western governments over the coming years and reading between the lines will reveal the answer in practice one way or the other. :2twocents
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Smurf you're better than this....
The virus is RNA . It has a back catelouge.
It's history can be known.By science worldwide.
It's resovoirs are known.
It's vectors are known.
It can be traced by Virological evolutionary history.

What are you people thinking??????
or... not thinking.

SAR'S MER'S ... AND now the current situation.. This has been a known possibility for decades.
AND The population?..Well, has been encouraged to worry about their new kitchen ...'FFS'.
Now... is if you have the capacity, is the time to think.
 
orr said:
Smurf you're better than this....
The virus is RNA . It has a back catelouge.
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Thing is, I can't personally determine any of that and there are claims and counterclaims being made. Lies are being told that's a given, what I can't determine with certainty is who's telling them and who's not.

Since I am not able to independently verify the truth, I have zero relevant qualifications, experience or even equipment, I am acting on the basis that I cannot be sure of the facts beyond those which are obvious. That there is a viral pandemic which kills a few % of those who catch it.

I note the following points:

1. A virus was identified in Wuhan China with no immediate action being taken, indeed the issue was largely silenced.

2. Subsequently drastic action was taken in Wuhan to contain the virus to that city and to treat victims.

3. During this time, planes carrying people from China continued to land in Australia and many other countries without restriction.

4. Chinese authorities have at various times claimed that the virus orginated from pangolin, bats, a food market or a US soldier. Others claim the virus originated from a laboratory located not far from the food market in Wuhan.

Now I don't have any means of proving what is true and what is not true. If the lights go out then I can sort through the claims and counterclaims and quickly throw out things which are not credible sure. With this though I'm way out of my depth.

Regardless of which side of the debate one takes, there are inconsistencies in the chain of events.

I've thus decided to focus on the consequences of it and adopt a wait and see approach to the rest. That said, the consequences are extremely serious no matter how it started.

If natural then how do we stop it happening again?

If man-made then God help us all.....

To that end I will say that my real fear comes from having read quite a bit of history. Mass unemployment + an identified foreign cause is the perfect conditions for radical politics to gain traction and that sort of thing ends shockingly. My biggest fear is that outcome and I don't think it's a zero chance although I'll be extremely happy if I'm wrong. :2twocents
 
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orr said:
It can be traced by Virological evolutionary history.

SAR'S MER'S ... AND now the current situation.. This has been a known possibility for decades.
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Orr do you have a link to an official recognition, that COVID-19 has developed through natural process?
It would probably clear everything up for members of the forum, some official info as to the origin would be good.:xyxthumbs
Just my opinion.
 
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