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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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SirRumpole said:
Scientific evidence Wayne.

Other people have tried but it hasn't got through, so I won't try, but all the best to you and your misses and I hope you manage to avoid any repercussions from your position.
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SirRumpole said:
Scientific evidence Wayne.

Other people have tried but it hasn't got through, so I won't try, but all the best to you and your misses and I hope you manage to avoid any repercussions from your position.
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Okay.

Can you please present the scientific evidence as to my risks from the current iteration of coronavirus.

Can you also please present the scientific evidence of my short and long-term risks from the mRNA injections.

Can you please quantify my risk vs benefit analysis.

Can you please quantify, advised hospitalized and/or have died from the virus, the general good health or otherwise and also the incidence and number of comorbidities of those so affected.

Can you quantify my ri individual with 0 comorbidities of good health and of good health add to my risk of dying from COVID.

I may have other questions for you but if you could answer these I would be appreciative.
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basilio said:
Here's a first. Maybe.
News Ltd debunking fabricated COVID stories being circulated on Facebook.
In fact it is a very convincing story. Lot's of detail. I'm certain it has had it's effect and equally sure that the believers will not back down.

Truth about 7-year-old boy who ‘died after receiving Covid-19 vaccine’​

A Sydney father has shared how his son died in an ambulance days after being vaccinated against Covid-19 — but authorities say it’s not what it seems.

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A Sydney father’s declaration that his “beautiful” seven-year-old son died in the back of an ambulance of a “massive heart attack” days after receiving his Covid-19 vaccine has been labelled a hoax by authorities.
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https://www.news.com.au/technology/...r/news-story/1e76c33b25dedbd1f35e9a33b1078c96
A Sydney father’s declaration that his “beautiful” seven-year-old son died in the back of an ambulance of a “massive heart attack” days after receiving his Covid-19 vaccine has been labelled a hoax by authorities.

In a lengthy Facebook comment that swiftly drummed up thousands of likes, comments and shares, “Steve Leary” claimed he lost his son “Lachlan” last Wednesday “to the vaccine”.

www.news.com.au

Truth about 7yo who ‘died after vax’

A Sydney father’s declaration that his “beautiful” seven-year-old son died in the back of an ambulance of a “massive heart attack” days after receiving his Covid-19 vaccine has been labelled a hoax by authorities.
www.news.com.au www.news.com.au
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Wouldn't surprise me if a journalist madeup that facebook page just to report on it.

"Free" news websites survive on clickbait not genuine journalism.
 
The regulators never cease to amaze me with their risk adverse blinkered approach.
The TGA have held up a number of RAT tests because they may or may not be s accurate with the latest strains.
FromThe hated Murdoch press
Australia’s health regulator is holding up the delivery of at least 20 million rapid antigen tests after it launched a review to see if the products are effective against detecting Omicron and other Covid-19 variants.
As Australia battles a shortage of rapid tests, the Therapeutic Goods Administration has begun a “post market review” of RATs, which also includes previously approved products. It is a move that has frustrated rapid antigen test suppliers, with the TGA perceived to be slowing down the distribution of rapid tests in Australia.
But the TGA says each new Covid-19 strain emerges – such as the highly infectious but less severe Omicron variant – rapid test manufacturers must ensure that their products remain effective. It is a process that requires rigorous analysis and comes as the World Health Organisation warns Omicron will not be the last Covid mutation.
“Variants of the virus due to mutations in the protein target of the genome may alter the structure of a viral protein. As a result, tests kits may no longer be able to detect the virus, leading to false negative results,” the TGA said.

The accuracy of rapid tests — which have a narrower window of detection than more expensive and government-funded pathology-based testing — is vital given they are increasingly becoming a tool used across businesses, the freight sector and schools and hospitals to segregate those infected with Covid-19.

But for ASX-listed diagnostics company, Atomo, the TGA’s review means it can’t exercise an option to import 20 million rapid tests from US manufacturer Access Bio until it can show that the tests can detect Omicron and other Covid-19 variants.
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What difference would it make if they let them through while doing their testing.
if people cannot get the Rats, what do they think will happen?
There will still be infected people running around whether the TGA approves it or not.
Will we we be worse off?
Its a pandemic for Christs sake, they have been in use in other countries, don't they think these other countries have had them tested?
Or is just that we are gold plated health?
Useless as t1ts on a bull.
Mick
 
At the risk of upsetting some, there is another study on the Use of Ivermectin as a treatment for COVID.
It is only in Brazil, which may not class as a western medical study, but nonetheless, its worth reading.
From Cureus

Abstract​

Background: Ivermectin has demonstrated different mechanisms of action that potentially protect from both coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) infection and COVID-19-related comorbidities. Based on the studies suggesting efficacy in prophylaxis combined with the known safety profile of ivermectin, a citywide prevention program using ivermectin for COVID-19 was implemented in Itajaí, a southern city in Brazil in the state of Santa Catarina. The objective of this study was to evaluate the impact of regular ivermectin use on subsequent COVID-19 infection and mortality rates.
Materials and methods: We analyzed data from a prospective, observational study of the citywide COVID-19 prevention with ivermectin program, which was conducted between July 2020 and December 2020 in Itajaí, Brazil. Study design, institutional review board approval, and analysis of registry data occurred after completion of the program. The program consisted of inviting the entire population of Itajaí to a medical visit to enroll in the program and to compile baseline, personal, demographic, and medical information. In the absence of contraindications, ivermectin was offered as an optional treatment to be taken for two consecutive days every 15 days at a dose of 0.2 mg/kg/day. In cases where a participating citizen of Itajaí became ill with COVID-19, they were recommended not to use ivermectin or any other medication in early outpatient treatment. Clinical outcomes of infection, hospitalization, and death were automatically reported and entered into the registry in real time. Study analysis consisted of comparing ivermectin users with non-users using cohorts of infected patients propensity score-matched by age, sex, and comorbidities. COVID-19 infection and mortality rates were analyzed with and without the use of propensity score matching (PSM).
Results: Of the 223,128 citizens of Itajaí considered for the study, a total of 159,561 subjects were included in the analysis: 113,845 (71.3%) regular ivermectin users and 45,716 (23.3%) non-users. Of these, 4,311 ivermectin users were infected, among which 4,197 were from the city of Itajaí (3.7% infection rate), and 3,034 non-users (from Itajaí) were infected (6.6% infection rate), with a 44% reduction in COVID-19 infection rate (risk ratio [RR], 0.56; 95% confidence interval (95% CI), 0.53-0.58; p < 0.0001). Using PSM, two cohorts of 3,034 subjects suffering from COVID-19 infection were compared. The regular use of ivermectin led to a 68% reduction in COVID-19 mortality (25 [0.8%] versus 79 [2.6%] among ivermectin non-users; RR, 0.32; 95% CI, 0.20-0.49; p < 0.0001). When adjusted for residual variables, reduction in mortality rate was 70% (RR, 0.30; 95% CI, 0.19-0.46; p < 0.0001). There was a 56% reduction in hospitalization rate (44 versus 99 hospitalizations among ivermectin users and non-users, respectively; RR, 0.44; 95% CI, 0.31-0.63; p < 0.0001). After adjustment for residual variables, reduction in hospitalization rate was 67% (RR, 0.33; 95% CI, 023-0.66; p < 0.0001).

Conclusion: In this large PSM study, regular use of ivermectin as a prophylactic agent was associated with significantly reduced COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and mortality rates.
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Its not definitive, but it does mean that there should be some further research without the hysterical denunciations about "horse Medicne".
I am always surprised that people who take blood thinning agents such as Warfarin are not accused of taking Rat Poison, as warfarin or coumadin, are the rat killing properties in these rodent poisons.
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
Its not definitive, but it does mean that there should be some further research without the hysterical denunciations about "horse Medicine".
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The unfortunate (possibly sad) outcome of what are some very positive looking results Mick,

Is that many will continue to dismiss Ivermectin unequivocally, simply because

The Study was "Observational"

That is correct, but its a bit like a using a "Moving Average" in technical analysis.

Doesn't prove future direction, but can give a pretty fair indication based on observation/historic data :cool:
 
Knobby22 said:
In cell cultures for FS in concentrations that will kill you if it was in your body in a LAB. Jeez. In real life, not very effective. This was published May 2020, old news, numerous studies have occured since then! Anyone know experiments in a dish don't always work in real life as any biotech investor will tell you.

Also there are now better more highly effective treatments now. Anyone taking this needs his head read.
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I guess I need my head read, still. If Channel 7/9/CNN don't endorse it, it's incorrect.



Dr. Kory: Ivermectin Can Solve This Pandemic​

A Brazilian paper published in the last 2 weeks "is one of the most remarkable studies in the history of medicine because it included complete data on 160K people in the city of Itajaí. That health ministry, in June 2020, offered its entire [population] the opportunity to take Ivermectin as a preventative; 113K decided to [take it] and ~50K did not even though the group that elected to take it was sicker, older, more overweight, [and had] much more disease, they got [Covid] 50% less, they went to the hospital 68% less, and they died 70% less often.”

Dr Pierre Kory goes on to point out similar incredible results in Argentina, Peru, and Japan. Within weeks of deploying Ivermectin, “the hospitalization rates reported out of Japan were lower than at any time during the pandemic. That medication works. And when you deploy it in an early test and treat strategy, you can cure and solve this pandemic.”​



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Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching​

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Results - Hospitalization and mortality rates in ivermectin users and non-users in propensity score-matched analysis​

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As described in Table 2, after employing PSM, of the 6,068 subjects (3,034 in each group), there were 44 hospitalizations among ivermectin users (1.6% hospitalization rate) and 99 hospitalizations (3.3% hospitalization rate) among ivermectin non-users, a 56% reduction in hospitalization rate (RR, 0.44; 95% CI, 0.31-0.63). When adjustment for variables was employed, the reduction in hospitalization rate was 67% (RR, 0.33; 95% CI, 023-0.66; p < 0.0001).​
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There were 25 deaths among ivermectin users (0.8% mortality rate) and 79 deaths among non-ivermectin users (2.6% mortality rate), a 68% reduction in mortality rate (RR, 0.32; 95% CI, 0.20-0.49). When PSM was adjusted, reduction in mortality rate was 70% (RR, 0.30; 95% CI, 0.19-0.46; p < 0.0001).​


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mullokintyre said:
Its not definitive, but it does mean that there should be some further research without the hysterical denunciations about "horse Medicne".
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It was pulled from medical science journals but gets regurgitated here yet again.
There are more RCTs in progress that should give a better idea of Ivermectin's efficacy, but there are already a number of proven effective treatments in use so at best it might prove an adjunct to them.
 
The long COVID issue is probably overshadowed a bit by the focus on serious illnesses and deaths. But the evidence is there that many people have long term problems after even a mild infection.

The research on the issue is happening .

www.theguardian.com

Long Covid: doctors find ‘antibody signature’ for patients most at risk

Low levels of certain antibodies found to be more common in those who go on to develop long Covid
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 

NSW records 29 COVID deaths, push for booster uptake intensifies​


The NSW Health Minister says the number of people getting a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot isn't good enough as hundreds of thousands of appointments go to waste.​
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Over 36 per cent of eligible people in NSW have had their third COVID-19 jab but Health Minister Brad Hazzard said that was not high enough.​
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"The numbers of boosters are not where we need them to be to keep people safe," Mr Hazzard said.​
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She said there was also a growing trend of people who had already contracted COVID not getting boosted.​
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"You still need to have it, we cannot reiterate this enough," Ms Pearce said.​



How about NO!
Growing trend? No, common sense more like it.

If you have had 2 shots and Covid, why would you get a booster?
Makes no sense.
Go and get a booster jab which in around 3 months is gone from your body yet increase risk in myocarditis and potentially weaken your immune system.
 
Anti-vaxxers hold emergency meeting to prepare new excuses, after provisional approval of Novavax



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An emergency meeting of vaccine sceptic Australians has been ALL CAPS typed into Telegram groups after Australia granted provisional approval for the use of the Novavax vaccine.

Many have said they are holding off on getting vaccinated until the arrival of Novavax, and will now have to invent new elaborate conspiracy theories to explain why they will avoid getting jabbed.

“It was a pretty solid plan to begin with. Even we could see this government was terrible at organising anything that might be needed to contain COVID. The Government forgetting to order Pfizer vaccines was a huge win for us – it meant we didn’t need to start making excuses for ages.

“But this is the fourth vaccine they’ve approved now, it gets tricky every time we need to move the goal posts,” a spokesperson for the group said.

Some in the group are already claiming that Novovax was developed by Hillary Clinton as a way of controlling people’s votes in the next Presidential election. Others say Novovax includes an ingredient which forces you to like Tom Hanks.

“I thought Novovax was going to be ok. But it turns out it’s imbedded with a chip that downloads Microsoft 365 into your elbow. No thanks”.

www.theshovel.com.au

Anti-vaxxers hold emergency meeting to prepare new excuses, after provisional approval of Novavax

"We're going to need some new conspiracy theories"
www.theshovel.com.au www.theshovel.com.au
 
basilio said:
Anti-vaxxers hold emergency meeting to prepare new excuses, after provisional approval of Novavax
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Lol, Aussies love a little satire of course.

Too much however can make the "contributor" (Shovel) look more like a struggling out of work comedian;)

Good name for their website however:cool:
 
Typical example of fear messaging from one of the most egregious reptilian shape shifters out there.

This was no mistake, even 5he correction massively overblown, it's all about the psyop... absolutely shameful.

 
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