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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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wayneL said:
Mate, you will go to extraordinary lengths of dodgy logic to justify anything estate/establishment does with regards to covid policy.
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I linked to the NZ arrangements for re-entry and it's clear the journo does not qualify for MIQ.
What is your reference?
wayneL said:
The truth is covid policy by some governments, including New Zealand is objectively deleterious and diabolical, as evidenced by the link I provided... And most likely unlawful.
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The journo in question is in no danger in Afghanistan as my linked article from her - in her own words - showed.
wayneL said:
That's why I said that you cannot justify tyranny with tyranny.
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How many threads do you posts your delusions on?
 
barney said:
The article referenced by @rederob was written by Kelsey Dickeson.
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It's irrelevant who wrote the article.
You can never show credible data to support your posts.
The 4 million or so mRNA vaccine doses to date will have caused many adverse reactions, but very few serious, while the death count from Pfizer's has been nil.
There is this thing about causation that you keep overlooking. Either that or you keep hiding it under your conspiratorial ideas, especially relating to Fauci.
 
Shops crowded today. Last week was like a shadow lockdown. School is going back next week but it didn't look like many parents/kids.

Possibly the early stages of this thing being over. Plenty of people in the pub. Scan ins seem optional in many shops.

Need to drop these stupid masks next.
 
rederob said:
How many threads do you posts your delusions on?
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It is no delusion that we are living in a dystopia for no good reason, Red.

It is no delusion who might have been first in line to join the SS, had they lived in 1930-40s Germany, either.
 
Humid said:
www.drive.com.au

Tesla boss Elon Musk offers teenager $US5000 to stop sharing his flight data on social media

The Tesla boss offered a 19-year-old app developer $US5000 to take down a real-time, flight-tracking Twitter account that revealed Elon Musk's private jet movements.
www.drive.com.au www.drive.com.au

Scared ?
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Anyone can track Musks jet from the FAA ADSb data that is freely available.
In fact if you know the rego number or flight number you can track any aircraft that has mode S ADSB , which all aircraft that fly IFR or in controlled airspace must have.
You don't need an ap.
I doubt even musk would be so stupid as to turn off his transponder.
Mick
 
rederob said:
It's irrelevant who wrote the article.
You can never show credible data to support your posts.
The 4 million or so mRNA vaccine doses to date will have caused many adverse reactions, but very few serious, while the death count from Pfizer's has been nil.
There is this thing about causation that you keep overlooking. Either that or you keep hiding it under your conspiratorial ideas, especially relating to Fauci.
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I'm not hiding anything Red. I'd say to the contrary. I want everything on the table. Interesting how Fauci, the CDC, the NIH etc etc etc have gone to great lengths to cover their tracks, change their narrative, control all medical protocols (usually to the detriment of the people of the US), and that is who the World is supposed to follow their failed narrative? (Including Oz)

Interesting that you consider Myocarditis (which will likely shorten every sufferers life substantially), not serious?

Also interesting that Pfizer and Moderna etc now warn that it is a side effect of their vaccines, yet still recommend getting jabbed

Interesting that my previous video of Lawyer Leigh Dundas shows that the data on Myocarditis has been "doctored" by the DOD

Anyone seeing an agenda here or is it just me? (rhetorical of course)

Peter McCullough briefly on both Causation and Myocarditis

ps Please don't play the man again with Dr McCullough because unless you are a one of the most peer reviewed medical practitioners in the World like he is, there is a potential to look unreasonably biased.
 

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rederob said:
The 4 million or so mRNA vaccine doses to date will have caused many adverse reactions, but very few serious, while the death count from Pfizer's has been nil.
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Are you talking in the sense of it's hard to prove the heart attacks are caused by the vaccine shortly after its administered?

They seem to do opposite to the covid death figures (where you can die from something else but be classed as a covid death).

Vaccination deaths seems to be you died from something else and just happened to have the vaccination and developed myocarditis from it. But you totally died from something else.
I recall some recent deaths in NZ.
 
barney said:
I'm not hiding anything Red. I'd say to the contrary. I want everything on the table. Interesting how Fauci, the CDC, the NIH etc etc etc have gone to great lengths to cover their tracks, change their narrative, control all medical protocols (usually to the detriment of the people of the US), and that is who the World is supposed to follow their failed narrative? (Including Oz)
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That's your conspiratorial nonsense again coming to the fore.
The CDC's actions have been transparent and Fauci has many times appeared before committees to explain what has occurred and these are on the public record, as are hundreds of his media interviews.
You are choosing to believe people who have little to no credibility, as with your last link.
barney said:
Interesting that you consider Myocarditis (which will likely shorten every sufferers life substantially), not serious?
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Given it's a uncommon temporary side effect that's just a rubbish claim.
barney said:
ps Please don't play the man again with Dr McCullough because unless you are a one of the most peer reviewed medical practitioners in the World like he is, there is a potential to look unreasonably biased.
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He's proven to be dishonest throughout the pandemic so it's not me who make these claims in the first instance, eg:
"The largest nonprofit health system in Texas has secured a temporary restraining order against cardiologist Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH, a COVID-19 vaccine skeptic who allegedly continued to claim an affiliation with Baylor Scott & White Health...."​
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You should consider linking to mainstream medical science for your views rather than liars you keep quoting from.
 
moXJO said:
Are you talking in the sense of it's hard to prove the heart attacks are caused by the vaccine shortly after its administered?
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No, and the symptoms are usually inflamation rather than heart attack, and these side effects usually go away without permanent complications.
moXJO said:
They seem to do opposite to the covid death figures (where you can die from something else but be classed as a covid death).
Vaccination deaths seems to be you died from something else and just happened to have the vaccination and developed myocarditis from it. But you totally died from something else.
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Correct: a covid death can be recorded even if the person's principal cause of death was something else, as the metric includes presence of disease as a potential contributor.
Australia's early AZ-linked vaccination deaths were confirmed through causation studies that ruled out the potential for other factors to have been contributory. From memory causation was indeterminate for a several AZ-linked deaths and this fed the media with headlines that gave rise to early vaccination hesitancy that mostly went away once Pfizer became available. I can say that from personal experience as all our family members waited for Pfizer, and today we get our boosters.
 
Finally, someone who has taken a step back and done a take 5 on the whole situation.

Maybe the QLD CHO should watch this!


Tide turns | Masking Kids in School | Rates of Adverse Events Post Vax in ppl with Nat Immunity​


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  • The masks don't work (who has access/supply to a new N95 mask every few days?)
  • QR Check-In is dead in the water. No one uses it anymore in QLD.
  • Your all getting Omicron one way or another, from a vaxed or unvaxed person, makes no difference
  • Omicron seems to be sore throat, runs, aching joints for a few days, that's it (from personal accounts)
  • We are on the way to a, "3 jabs to be considered vaccinated" stance. If your under 50, no underlying health issues have had 1 or 2 jabs and also Covid-19, is it worth getting the next jab? I don't think so if you've had Covid-19. Next it will be you need 4 jabs to be considered vaccinated. Where does it end? 10 jabs?

 
sptrawler said:
True, and has been used to incorrectly, to stereotype anyone considered a right wing. ?
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Yeah nah see it all the time not limited to one side or the other I know Wayne uses phases often tongue in cheek but it is concerning when extremes that really are not relevant are the go to reference.

TBH it often invalidates the point.
 
IFocus said:
Yeah nah see it all the time not limited to one side or the other I know Wayne uses phases often tongue in cheek but it is concerning when extremes that really are not relevant are the go to reference.

TBH it often invalidates the point.
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For that criticism to be valid, others should lay off the ad hom then.

But as a point of order, I really am concerned about the rapidly escalating authoritarianism, and those that support it.

Nazism may seem overly totemic, but look at the trajectory.
 
wayneL said:
For that criticism to be valid, others should lay off the ad hom then.

But as a point of order, I really am concerned about the rapidly escalating authoritarianism, and those that support it.

Nazism may seem overly totemic, but look at the trajectory.
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Nazism was a way of life, whatever 'restrictions' we have had lately is to overcome a temporary emergency.

That's not to say mistakes haven't been made, some have been on the side of too little restriction, others on the side of too much, like not letting citizens back in, but if you have medical experts who are there to give medical advice then why wouldn't you take it ?

Let's face it, unnecessary restrictions are political poison, but Perrotet let it rip and now we have hospitals full and the death rate rising. Either way, we will decide at the next election(s) who we think was right.
 
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