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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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sptrawler said:
That is what worries me, it is ok to keep a lid on it, but eventually alladin will get out of the lamp, I just hope when that happens in W.A it isnt a really bad variant.
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Was talking re NSW, talking to the son in NSW he hasn't any work everyone is acting as if its a lock down, NSW get through this then what happens when the next variant shows up back to start again don't collect $200?
 
IFocus said:
Was talking re NSW, talking to the son in NSW he hasn't any work everyone is acting as if its a lock down, NSW get through this then what happens when the next variant shows up back to start again don't collect $200?
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You accept its endemic and carry on. Same as sars,mers, etc which were all much much much deadlier.
 
I've had my 3 shots, l won't be getting any more. I did my part. Getting boosters every 3/6 months is not good for your immune system. Natural immunity will always be better than the jab, but your not allowed to talk about this.

The only thing l'll have going forward (unless a new strain emerges and 10% mortality rate) is -
  • Ivermectin
  • Monoclonal antibodies
  • Fluvoxamine
If Palletjack wants me to get more, she can shelf it.

The narrative that has been pushed from the USA is shameful/disgusting (both by the Biden Admin and Mainstream Media/Social Media).
Take mRNA/J&J or your a conspiracy theorist/nut.
Unless you're CNN, you are not allowed to mention Monoclonal Antibodies.
Meanwhile, declassified documents shows that the US Military has confirmed that Ivermectin works (during all stages of infection).
 

Monash University​


Lab experiments show anti-parasitic drug, Ivermectin, ​

eliminates SARS-CoV-2 in cells in 48 hours​


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A collaborative study led by the Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute (BDI) with the Peter Doherty Institute of Infection and Immunity (Doherty Institute), a joint venture of the University of Melbourne and Royal Melbourne Hospital, has shown that an anti-parasitic drug already available around the world kills the virus within 48 hours.​
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The Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Dr Kylie Wagstaff, who led the study, said the scientists showed that the drug, Ivermectin, stopped the SARS-CoV-2 virus growing in cell culture within 48 hours.​
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“We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it,” Dr Wagstaff said.​
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Ivermectin is an FDA-approved anti-parasitic drug that has also been shown to be effective in vitro against a broad range of viruses including HIV, Dengue, Influenza and Zika virus.​
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Dr Wagstaff cautioned that the tests conducted in the study were in vitro and that trials needed to be carried out in people.​
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“Ivermectin is very widely used and seen as a safe drug. We need to figure out now whether the dosage you can use it at in humans will be effective – that’s the next step,” Dr Wagstaff said.​
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“In times when we’re having a global pandemic and there isn’t an approved treatment, if we had a compound that was already available around the world then that might help people sooner. Realistically it’s going to be a while before a vaccine is broadly available.​
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Although the mechanism by which Ivermectin works on the virus is not known, it is likely, based on its action in other viruses, that it works to stop the virus ‘dampening down’ the host cells’ ability to clear it, Dr Wagstaff said.​
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Royal Melbourne Hospital’s Dr Leon Caly, a Senior Medical Scientist at the Victorian Infectious Diseases Reference Laboratory (VIDRL) at the Doherty Institute where the experiments with live coronavirus were conducted, is the study’s first author.​
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“As the virologist who was part of the team who were first to isolate and share SARS-COV2 outside of China in January 2020, I am excited about the prospect of Ivermectin being used as a potential drug against COVID-19,” Dr Caly said.​
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Dr Wagstaff made a previous breakthrough finding on Ivermectin in 2012 when she identified the drug and its antiviral activity with Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Professor David Jans, also an author on this paper. Professor Jans and his team have been researching Ivermectin for more than 10 years with different viruses.​
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Dr Wagstaff and Professor Jans started investigating whether it worked on the SARS-CoV-2 virus as soon as the pandemic was known to have started.​
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The use of Ivermectin to combat COVID-19 would depend on the results of further pre-clinical testing and ultimately clinical trials, with funding urgently required to keep progressing the work, Dr Wagstaff said.​

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DB008 said:

Monash University​


Lab experiments show anti-parasitic drug, Ivermectin, ​

eliminates SARS-CoV-2 in cells in 48 hours​


​
A collaborative study led by the Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute (BDI) with the Peter Doherty Institute of Infection and Immunity (Doherty Institute), a joint venture of the University of Melbourne and Royal Melbourne Hospital, has shown that an anti-parasitic drug already available around the world kills the virus within 48 hours.​
​
The Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Dr Kylie Wagstaff, who led the study, said the scientists showed that the drug, Ivermectin, stopped the SARS-CoV-2 virus growing in cell culture within 48 hours.​
​
“We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it,” Dr Wagstaff said.​
​
Ivermectin is an FDA-approved anti-parasitic drug that has also been shown to be effective in vitro against a broad range of viruses including HIV, Dengue, Influenza and Zika virus.​
​
Dr Wagstaff cautioned that the tests conducted in the study were in vitro and that trials needed to be carried out in people.​
​
“Ivermectin is very widely used and seen as a safe drug. We need to figure out now whether the dosage you can use it at in humans will be effective – that’s the next step,” Dr Wagstaff said.​
​
“In times when we’re having a global pandemic and there isn’t an approved treatment, if we had a compound that was already available around the world then that might help people sooner. Realistically it’s going to be a while before a vaccine is broadly available.​
​
Although the mechanism by which Ivermectin works on the virus is not known, it is likely, based on its action in other viruses, that it works to stop the virus ‘dampening down’ the host cells’ ability to clear it, Dr Wagstaff said.​
​
Royal Melbourne Hospital’s Dr Leon Caly, a Senior Medical Scientist at the Victorian Infectious Diseases Reference Laboratory (VIDRL) at the Doherty Institute where the experiments with live coronavirus were conducted, is the study’s first author.​
​
“As the virologist who was part of the team who were first to isolate and share SARS-COV2 outside of China in January 2020, I am excited about the prospect of Ivermectin being used as a potential drug against COVID-19,” Dr Caly said.​
​
Dr Wagstaff made a previous breakthrough finding on Ivermectin in 2012 when she identified the drug and its antiviral activity with Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Professor David Jans, also an author on this paper. Professor Jans and his team have been researching Ivermectin for more than 10 years with different viruses.​
​
Dr Wagstaff and Professor Jans started investigating whether it worked on the SARS-CoV-2 virus as soon as the pandemic was known to have started.​
​
The use of Ivermectin to combat COVID-19 would depend on the results of further pre-clinical testing and ultimately clinical trials, with funding urgently required to keep progressing the work, Dr Wagstaff said.​

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In cell cultures for FS in concentrations that will kill you if it was in your body in a LAB. Jeez. In real life, not very effective. This was published May 2020, old news, numerous studies have occured since then! Anyone know experiments in a dish don't always work in real life as any biotech investor will tell you.

Also there are now better more highly effective treatments now. Anyone taking this needs his head read.
 
DB008 said:
Natural immunity will always be better than the jab, but your not allowed to talk about this.
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It's discussed all the time. We have even posted MS articles when you brought this up previously. But what you fail to state, because your news sources do not talk about it, is that a breakthrough infection following the jab gives better immunity than that from the infection on its own, and additionally the jab may prevent your death or serious illness if you get jabbed before getting infected.
 
wayneL said:
If the jab doesn't kill first.
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Good on you Wayne. I am glad you are coming around to recognising that if you catch COVID, then having had the jab beforehand will not only give you better immunity than the natural immunity acquired by the infection alone, but will also provide better protection against death and hospitalisation should you be infected. A no brainer for anyone with a brain.

Of course you are right in adding the proviso that this is only applicable if the jab doesn't kill you first. But by agreeing the jab will make one far less likely to die from a covid infection than not being jabbed, you are just reemphasising why it is better to be jabbed.
 
bellenuit said:
Good on you Wayne. I am glad you are coming around to recognising that if you catch COVID, then having had the jab beforehand will not only give you better immunity than the natural immunity acquired by the infection alone, but will also provide better protection against death and hospitalisation should you be infected. A no brainer for anyone with a brain.

Of course you are right in adding the proviso that this is only applicable if the jab doesn't kill you first. But by agreeing the jab will make one far less likely to die from a covid infection than not being jabbed, you are just reemphasising why it is better to be jabbed.
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Oh my! I lost count of the number of logical fallacies in that post. :D
 
Knobby22 said:
In cell cultures for FS in concentrations that will kill you if it was in your body in a LAB. Jeez. In real life, not very effective. This was published May 2020, old news, numerous studies have occured since then! Anyone know experiments in a dish don't always work in real life as any biotech investor will tell you.

Also there are now better more highly effective treatments now. Anyone taking this needs his head read.
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Ok, read my head please

Everyone at my workplace, one by one, is testing positive. So far the only symptom has been a sore throat. Thats it! Have l had it? More than likely, old mate sitting next to me was just confirmed PCR today. But, since it was under 4 hours close contact, l'm in the clear :roflmao:


CDC​

COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations by COVID-19 Vaccination Status and Previous COVID-19 Diagnosis — California and New York, May–November 2021​







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DB008 said:
Ok, read my head please

Everyone at my workplace, one by one, is testing positive. So far the only symptom has been a sore throat. Thats it! Have l had it? More than likely, old mate sitting next to me was just confirmed PCR today. But, since it was under 4 hours close contact, l'm in the clear :roflmao:


CDC​

COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations by COVID-19 Vaccination Status and Previous COVID-19 Diagnosis — California and New York, May–November 2021​







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Read this article, at least the first few paragraphs. Real life data, in Australia where most people did not catch a previous version of the virus.

www.theage.com.au

Older Victorians the hardest hit by latest COVID-19 wave

But there’s some good news in the new hospital data, which reveals patients who had their booster are being admitted to hospital at very low rates.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
 
Knobby22 said:
Read this article, at least the first few paragraphs. Real life data, in Australia where most people did not catch a previous version of the virus.

www.theage.com.au

Older Victorians the hardest hit by latest COVID-19 wave

But there’s some good news in the new hospital data, which reveals patients who had their booster are being admitted to hospital at very low rates.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
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Yes compelling statistics on the success of the booster in preventing hospitalisation.
 
Knobby22 said:
Also there are now better more highly effective treatments now. Anyone taking this needs his head read.
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With total respect, as I do respect your opinions Knobby:

Just so I have this correct?



Suggesting that Ivermectin may/could have some/any (even miniscule :nailbiting:) advantage in combatting Covid definitively makes the proponents of that suggestion a "loony case"?? Yes??


I'd submit, that is a big call based on my own assessment of the meta-analysis done by way smarter people than me in this field?


Even if we eliminate the "Elagazzar" study (which all the anti-Ivermectin crowd/media seem to focus on),



The remaining numbers still suggest that Ivermectin has a potential/(likely) positive impact on the effect of Covid?


If Ivermectin has been seriously debunked, I will stand corrected, and admit that myself and all those "much smarter" people were in fact,

"Loonies"



ps If my post seems a little "cynical" and personal, I apologize/not intended



But, I am definitely interested in facts, (not opinion), in regard to Ivermectin. :bookworm:



For example .......


Lets say it "potentially" offers a small (5%) advantage in post Covid outcomes, should we shelve it or welcome it?


That is obviously a rhetorical question, but my point is hopefully equally as obvious:banghead:

Cheers.
 
barney said:
With total respect, as I do respect your opinions Knobby:

Just so I have this correct?



Suggesting that Ivermectin may/could have some/any (even miniscule :nailbiting:) advantage in combatting Covid definitively makes the proponents of that suggestion a "loony case"?? Yes??


I'd submit, that is a big call based on my own assessment of the meta-analysis done by way smarter people than me in this field?


Even if we eliminate the "Elagazzar" study (which all the anti-Ivermectin crowd/media seem to focus on),



The remaining numbers still suggest that Ivermectin has a potential/(likely) positive impact on the effect of Covid?


If Ivermectin has been seriously debunked, I will stand corrected, and admit that myself and all those "much smarter" people were in fact,

"Loonies"



ps If my post seems a little "cynical" and personal, I apologize/not intended



But, I am definitely interested in facts, (not opinion), in regard to Ivermectin. :bookworm:



For example .......


Lets say it "potentially" offers a small (5%) advantage in post Covid outcomes, should we shelve it or welcome it?


That is obviously a rhetorical question, but my point is hopefully equally as obvious:banghead:

Cheers.
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I just said there is way more effective treatments now. Ivermectin has been shown to be not very effective at the doses needed to not kill you and has side effects. I suggest you talk to a doctor. Preferably one who works in the Emergency ward. I have family in it and let me tell you they think the government is doing a real poor job at communicating
....and the vaccine is still effective against Omicron but less effective. A booster is definitely needed.

Of course some say the doctors and nurses are lying to help big companies and so willing to have their mothers die in suffering to keep this huge conspiracy involving 100s of thousands of people worldwide but I know you aren't one of them.

I'm dropping this now. I have said all I want to say.
 
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bellenuit said:
Yes compelling statistics on the success of the booster in preventing hospitalisation.
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I actually accept that this is the case (and I am a vaccine "hesitant" person)


The "booster" most likely gives people an added short term "protection" against infection etc etc (accepted )


So at what point do we also accept the "extent" of said short term protection?



ie. If a 3rd booster vax gives you a 30/60/90 day window of resistance against the Big-C


Yet, we accept that the big-C is "here to stay" for at least the short/medium term,



What is the actual advantage in risking an adverse reaction to the vaccine. (They actually do happen unfortunately :nailbiting: )


For such a small window of "protection"?


Even my 93 year old Dad admits ... he is "disappointed" in the suggested efficacy of the "vaccines" given the "facts"

He is double dosed and boosted of course, but is no longer "confident" in what we have been told.


Fortunately he is a tough b@stard, and will likely outlive me, whether Covid affected or not, lol :wheniwasaboy:
 
Knobby22 said:
I just said there is way more effective treatments now. Ivermectin has been shown to be not very effective at the doses needed to not kill you and has side effects.
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M8, not wanting to appear to be playing the man because I do respect your opinion as I said

But this Covid debacle is, (and has been) a terribly polarizing situation.


You actually said (paraphrasing), that if you took Ivermectin, you would need to "have your head read"??


That is a definitive statement suggesting that Ivermectin is of ZERO advantage?


I accept there are other treatments for Covid which have/are showing good success


But to state that taking Ivermectin (based on the studies to date), is akin to "lunacy"

Seems a little (perhaps a lot) unfair :( (based on my research and humble opinion)

Cheers


ps Just read your last post regarding you have finished saying what you want to say. (I understand)

I had already posted my post so not trying to "badger" I assure.


Cheers (X2) :cool:
 
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