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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%
  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%
  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • Total voters
    75

The vaccine only works on the spike protein, the other three components are still there, that is why a leaky vaccine allows variants to happen.

I did not say we don't need a vaccine, I said the ones we are using are not good enough AND we need an early treatment protocol to delay the incubation within the sinus area so that the body has time to defeat the rotten thing

I did read that some people in Israel are having their Fourth shot within 12 months, surely that tells us that we need to broaden our attack
 


I'm not sure why you would use a single day of cases & match that with a weekly deaths figure.

For comparison figures using that methodology

Russia 36339 new cases today with 7074 people dying in the last week
Ukraine 23785 new cases today with 2866 people dying in the last week.
Romania 16110 new cases today with 2695 people dying in the last week

Unsure how you calculated the death rate.
 

I used the UK figures as they are regarded as more accurate in general but really the main gist of my argument is that we need more than just the vaccine.

There have been numerous studies on various treatments OS that should be used as soon as people are positive, we need to attack while it is up in the sinus area not wait until it gets down into the lungs
 
We had a chat about media propaganda before. This one came up in previous posts after Joe caught flack. Sanjay was the cnn source at the time. It's also why cnn is total bs.
 
Covid booster jabs start next week, I guess all the early uptake rah rah members will be down there lining up, apparently some moderna is due to go out of date soon. Your vaccine coverage is waning, get a booster, before borders open.

 
The vaccine only works on the spike protein, the other three components are still there, that is why a leaky vaccine allows variants to happen.
You need to brush up on what you think you know.
For a start there are many different types of vaccines and AZ is very different from Pfizer. Next vaccines cannot cause a person to have covid, so it is impossible for a variant (which is just an evolutionary mutation) to arise.
I did not say we don't need a vaccine, I said the ones we are using are not good enough AND we need an early treatment protocol to delay the incubation within the sinus area so that the body has time to defeat the rotten thing.
Vaccines are very effective in preventing hospitalisation and death, and that's why some States are now opening up, while a number of European nations have already done so.
Treatment protocols do exist, however far and away the best thing to do is prevent the disease by getting vaccinated. Antibodies are needed to fight any virus, and this is consistent with the adage of prevention is better than cure.
You seem to espouse the nonsensical mantra that that people somehow know they have the disease so can prevent its incubation. In fact very few people know they have covid until tested, and those fronting with symptoms are too late to suppress incubation.
I did read that some people in Israel are having their Fourth shot within 12 months, surely that tells us that we need to broaden our attack
The simple reason is that covid antibodies don't confer long lasting immunity. Third and subsequent "booster" (rather than full) doses may be needed for the most vulnerable.
 
I agree that the person is not doing themselves any favours, but that is no different from any of the other scenarios I outlined. It is their choice. As to the effect on their family and community at large, that is a moot point. This can only be true if the transmission of the virus is worse by a non vaxed person than a person who has the virus but has been vaxed. The jury is still out on this one. Ther have been competing studies (isn't there always?) on this subject. (see Virus shed 1 and Virus shed 2 versus Virus shed 3 and Virus shed 4)

The other examples you give are very striking. You say these are excesses are all voluntary . Perhaps. No one is actually "forcing" people to smoke, over eat, over drink, eat take away rubbish until their livers and pancreas collapse.
And how much of a stretch do you think the hospital system gets because of all the other free will actions of stupid people?
Those unfortunate to get breast cancer, prostate cancer brain Tumours, MND, parkinsons disease, strokes, and a host of other life threatening diseases get very little if any choice.

Mick
 
Let's look at some logic:
I agree that the person is not doing themselves any favours, but that is no different from any of the other scenarios I outlined. It is their choice.
A personal choice that potentially affects others without their consent, and can lead to their serious illness or death, is very different to the choice that is isolated to the individual person. For example, smoking is not unlawful, but is restricted in circumstance.
As to the effect on their family and community at large, that is a moot point. This can only be true if the transmission of the virus is worse by a non vaxed person than a person who has the virus but has been vaxed.
The problem with that idea is that vaccinated people are much less likely to be infected with covid. So even if vaccinated people and unvaccinated had contracted covid and spread it at the same rate, the incidence of spread cannot be equal. That's what the concept of herd immunity is based on.
Good points!
Not sure they come as any surprise.
Stretching them to include covid, we now add a disease that can quickly clog up hospitals if out of control, further delay elective surgeries, and take up bed space, especially in ICUs, necessary to cater for emergencies.
Beyond the hospital system we have lockdowns and border closures that have caused significant disruptions to our personal lives and to our economies. These "stupid people" continue to include antivaxxers or disbelievers who don't follow heath orders, won't get vaccinated, and carelessly spread their disease across the country.
 
I have two friends who were so obese they were given free lapband surgery on their stomachs on medicare, I was told it was $30k per op.

They now weigh more than before the op, so $60k of public money wasted because of their food choices

Diabetes 2 is usually caused by eating crap yet the treatment which can go on for years is subsidised by Medicare.
 
MOSCOW, Oct 23 (Reuters) - Russia reported 1,075 COVID-19 deaths on Saturday, its fifth straight daily record, as the authorities prepare to shut workplaces countrywide and lock down the capital.
 

I understand there is also a requirement for those who are over 60 and unvaccinated to stay at home for three months and the same for those who have chronic condition but are unvaccinated.

Apparently the vaccination rate for the country is in the 30% mark.
 
Remember Dr. Fauci?
Turns out they did oversee gain off function.


Oh and I also heard and I hope to God its not true that they (NIH) funded:
Having beagle puppies heads basically eaten by sand flies. And so the puppies couldn't annoy them they removed their vocal cords.

They also left dogs in the desert to attract more sand flies... for 9 days.

Ah let's see if the mob eat him.
 
An interesting read, good background on what Covid actually is and the thoughts of the Assoc of Physicians and Surgeons in the USA.

I believe that this is where the whole world will end up, vaccine if you wish, but the numbers in the UK Singapore and Israel indicate that the vaccine is not enough to stop this thing.

Every time we get a variant we are in trouble, home quarantine and home treatment seems a likely solution and if we were to hand out this or similar info freely via the media or testing stations we stop this situation where whole clans pass it around to each other
 

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Your link is from a snake oil sales team that dress up disproven HCQ and unproven Ivermectin as treatments for covid.
It mixes some good advice and info with dodgy data and an overall poor strategy for being safe. It reads as if covid is just a bit worse than the flu, and if that's what you want to believe then watch the online videos of covid sufferers in ICUs or listen to what their doctors and nurses say.
These snake oil sales people place vaccinations last in their 4 pillars. They are essentially anti-vaxxers who spend 26 pages telling you things you can find elsewhere in a matter of seconds, except they omit the treatment regimes that are proven to work.
 
I presume you are referring to this pice of news.
Zero Hedge

Slowly, inch by inch, the information is being dragged out.
However, we need to see the actual letter before we can define it as a fact.
Mick
 
Remember Dr. Fauci?
Turns out they did oversee gain off function.
Rehashing debunked claims is de rigueur for you. Gain of function has a specific scientific meaning and this threshold was not met in the WIV funding. The usually unflappable Fauci got visibly angry in an exchange with Rand Paul during a Senate hearing where it was clear Paul did not understand the difference between what WIV carried out and gain of function research.

Then we go on to your next bit of mud slinging:
Do you ever bother to check the rubbish you post?
 
Cumo, Fauci,
Then we go on to your next bit of mud slinging:

Do you ever bother to check the rubbish you post?
Yeah he's just in charge it happened under his watch. "Oh but he didn't know", like I care. I said it was nih funded and it was.

Snopes isn't a "fact" checker. It's a page dedicated to minimising or maximising political damage. It still basically stating that the experimental happened and Fauci was the director at the time and nih funded it.

So:

The experiment happened.

It was done in Tunisia where it's common to outsource ethics.

There are better ways to do it then letting insects bite the heads of animals. One control group was definitely in pain according to the notes.

So you actually verified it did happen.

Own goal??

I don't need help making you look stupid. Please desist as it ruins the fun.
 
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