An ignorant statement there.
A vaccine does not kill a virus which is in nature. A vaccine prevents us from becoming unwell by infection of the virus.
Now, despite this gentleman being 80 years of age, I will challenge you to go up against him to argue your proposition. I'd be very confident to 100% if I had a bet of $1,000 on the outcome of the debate, I'd collect.
Setting it Straight video edition: What we know about the virus
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And right now in the UK there are 52000 new cases Today with 912 people dying in the last week, giving a death rate of 1.2 per 100k
It is exceedingly obvious that a vaccine that does Not kill the virus is no bloody good, we need an early treatment protocol as well.
FFS when are the so called experts going to pull their heads out of their A**** and admit they were conned
I'm not sure why you would use a single day of cases & match that with a weekly deaths figure.
For comparison figures using that methodology
Russia 36339 new cases today with 7074 people dying in the last week
Ukraine 23785 new cases today with 2866 people dying in the last week.
Romania 16110 new cases today with 2695 people dying in the last week
Unsure how you calculated the death rate.
You need to brush up on what you think you know.The vaccine only works on the spike protein, the other three components are still there, that is why a leaky vaccine allows variants to happen.
Vaccines are very effective in preventing hospitalisation and death, and that's why some States are now opening up, while a number of European nations have already done so.I did not say we don't need a vaccine, I said the ones we are using are not good enough AND we need an early treatment protocol to delay the incubation within the sinus area so that the body has time to defeat the rotten thing.
The simple reason is that covid antibodies don't confer long lasting immunity. Third and subsequent "booster" (rather than full) doses may be needed for the most vulnerable.I did read that some people in Israel are having their Fourth shot within 12 months, surely that tells us that we need to broaden our attack
I agree that the person is not doing themselves any favours, but that is no different from any of the other scenarios I outlined. It is their choice. As to the effect on their family and community at large, that is a moot point. This can only be true if the transmission of the virus is worse by a non vaxed person than a person who has the virus but has been vaxed. The jury is still out on this one. Ther have been competing studies (isn't there always?) on this subject. (see Virus shed 1 and Virus shed 2 versus Virus shed 3 and Virus shed 4)That is a very interesting perspective and well worth debating. I can see some similarities but also some striking differences.
Firstly COVID is a contagious disease where one persons behaviour directly affects others if they ignore isolation instructions. There are already health laws in place to deal with people who refuse to quarantine when required .
But secondly we now have a vaccine that is proven to largely shield people from the worst effects of the disease. Deciding not to take this very simple step to protect oneself is not doing any favours to themself, their family and the community at large.
The other examples you give are very striking. You say these are excesses are all voluntary . Perhaps. No one is actually "forcing" people to smoke, over eat, over drink, eat take away rubbish until their livers and pancreas collapse.
And how much of a stretch do you think the hospital system gets because of all the other free will actions of stupid people?But in reality our whole economic system has become dependent on relentlessly promoting and persuading people to go to excess on these and many other industries. So where do we go ?
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I don't seriously believe the hospital system will consider letting "nature take it's course" with anti vaxxers or COVID deniers. In fact the probable challenge for treatment in a stretched hospital environment which is madly triaging COVID sick people will be along the following lines.
A personal choice that potentially affects others without their consent, and can lead to their serious illness or death, is very different to the choice that is isolated to the individual person. For example, smoking is not unlawful, but is restricted in circumstance.I agree that the person is not doing themselves any favours, but that is no different from any of the other scenarios I outlined. It is their choice.
The problem with that idea is that vaccinated people are much less likely to be infected with covid. So even if vaccinated people and unvaccinated had contracted covid and spread it at the same rate, the incidence of spread cannot be equal. That's what the concept of herd immunity is based on.As to the effect on their family and community at large, that is a moot point. This can only be true if the transmission of the virus is worse by a non vaxed person than a person who has the virus but has been vaxed.
Good points!And how much of a stretch do you think the hospital system gets because of all the other free will actions of stupid people?
Those unfortunate to get breast cancer, prostate cancer brain Tumours, MND, parkinsons disease, strokes, and a host of other life threatening diseases get very little if any choice.
I have two friends who were so obese they were given free lapband surgery on their stomachs on medicare, I was told it was $30k per op.I agree that the person is not doing themselves any favours, but that is no different from any of the other scenarios I outlined. It is their choice. As to the effect on their family and community at large, that is a moot point. This can only be true if the transmission of the virus is worse by a non vaxed person than a person who has the virus but has been vaxed. The jury is still out on this one. Ther have been competing studies (isn't there always?) on this subject. (see Virus shed 1 and Virus shed 2 versus Virus shed 3 and Virus shed 4)
And how much of a stretch do you think the hospital system gets because of all the other free will actions of stupid people?
Those unfortunate to get breast cancer, prostate cancer brain Tumours, MND, parkinsons disease, strokes, and a host of other life threatening diseases get very little if any choice.
Mick
Husband and wife spend 8 minutes avoiding the role that vaccines play = covid derangement.COVID Derangement Syndrome... LOL
MOSCOW, Oct 23 (Reuters) - Russia reported 1,075 COVID-19 deaths on Saturday, its fifth straight daily record, as the authorities prepare to shut workplaces countrywide and lock down the capital.COVID-19 deaths in Russia hit record for fifth straight day as lockdown looms
Russia reported 1,075 COVID-19 deaths on Saturday, its fifth straight daily record, as the authorities prepare to shut workplaces countrywide and lock down the capital.www.reuters.com
Your link is from a snake oil sales team that dress up disproven HCQ and unproven Ivermectin as treatments for covid.An interesting read, good background on what Covid actually is and the thoughts of the Assoc of Physicians and Surgeons in the USA.
I believe that this is where the whole world will end up, vaccine if you wish, but the numbers in the UK Singapore and Israel indicate that the vaccine is not enough to stop this thing.
Every time we get a variant we are in trouble, home quarantine and home treatment seems a likely solution and if we were to hand out this or similar info freely via the media or testing stations we stop this situation where whole clans pass it around to each other
I presume you are referring to this pice of news.Remember Dr. Fauci?
Turns out they did oversee gain off function.
Oh and I also heard and I hope to God its not true that they (NIH) funded:
Having beagle puppies heads basically eaten by sand flies. And so the puppies couldn't annoy them they removed their vocal cords.
They also left dogs in the desert to attract more sand flies... for 9 days.
Ah let's see if the mob eat him.
A top NIH official admitted in a Wednesday letter that the US-funded so-called "gain-of-function" research in Wuhan, China - and that the US nonprofit which conducted it, EcoHealth Alliance - led by the controversial Peter Daszak, "failed to report" that they had created a chimeric bat coronavirus which could infect human
In a letter addressed to Rep. James Comer (R-KY), NIH Principal Deputy Director Lawrence A. Tabak cites a "limited experiment" to determine whether "spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model." According to the letter, humanized mice infected with the modified bat virus "became sicker" than those exposed to an unmodified version of the same bat coronavirus.
Daszak failed to report this finding, and has been given five days to submit "any and all unpublished data from the experiments and work conducted" under the NIH grant.
As we noted in September, proof that the US funded of GoF research was blown wide open thanks to materials (here and here) released through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Intercept against the National Institutes of Health, revealing that EcoHealth was paid to make chimeric SARS-based Covid that they confirmed could infect human cells.
While evidence of this research has been pointed to in published studies, the FOIA release provides a key piece to the puzzle which sheds new light on what was going on.
"This is a roadmap to the high-risk research that could have led to the current pandemic," said Gary Ruskin, executive director of U.S. Right To Know, a group that has been investigating the origins of Covid-19 (via The Intercept).
We also learned in September that 18 months before the Pandemic, Daszak applied for a grant to release enhanced airborne coronaviruses into the wild in an effort to inoculate them against diseases that could have otherwise jumped to humans, according to The Telegraph, citing leaked grant proposals from 2018.
New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.
They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.
Daszak hoped to use genetic engineering to cobble "human-specific cleavage sites" onto bat Covid 'which would make it easier for the virus to enter human cells' - and included plans to commingle high-risk natural coronaviruses strains with more infectious, yet less deadly versions. His 'bat team' of researchers included Dr. Shi Zhengli from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as well as US researchers from the University of North Carolina and the US Geological Survey National Wildlife Health Center.
Darpa refused the contract - saying "It is clear that the proposed project led by Peter Daszak could have put local communities at risk," while warning that Daszak hadn't fully considered the dangers involved in enhancing the virus via gain-of-function research, or by releasing a vaccine into the air.
Angus Dalgleish, Professor of Oncology at St Georges, University of London, who struggled to get work published showing that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) had been carrying out “gain of function” work for years before the pandemic, said the research may have gone ahead even without the funding.
“This is clearly a gain of function, engineering the cleavage site and polishing the new viruses to enhance human cell infectibility in more than one cell line,” he said. -Telegraph
In short, after a massive drop of receipts proved that Fauci, and his boss Francis Collins, lied, the NIH itself has finally acknowledged funding Gain-of-Function research.
Rehashing debunked claims is de rigueur for you. Gain of function has a specific scientific meaning and this threshold was not met in the WIV funding. The usually unflappable Fauci got visibly angry in an exchange with Rand Paul during a Senate hearing where it was clear Paul did not understand the difference between what WIV carried out and gain of function research.Remember Dr. Fauci?
Turns out they did oversee gain off function.
Do you ever bother to check the rubbish you post?Oh and I also heard and I hope to God its not true that they (NIH) funded: Having beagle puppies heads basically eaten by sand flies. And so the puppies couldn't annoy them they removed their vocal cords.
They also left dogs in the desert to attract more sand flies... for 9 days.
Yeah he's just in charge it happened under his watch. "Oh but he didn't know", like I care. I said it was nih funded and it was.
Completely false.It was done in Tunisia where it's common to outsource ethics.
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