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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Well as I say, the truth has a way of coming out, it may be the ramblings of a loser, or it may be facts from a disenfranchised person who doesn't give a $hit because he has been trashed.
This only gets better, why would you watch reality t.v? ?
The media is going to so confused, which angle to take, follow Trumps line and they could replace a microphone with an M16, or go the China way of nothing to see here and end up swapping a microphone for job in a foot ware factory. ?
Jeez you have to love these times, I thought old age was going to boring, now I'm not sure. :xyxthumbs

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Problem solved folks.
Now the narrative has changed from it being construction workers angry at haveing been sold out by union management seen to be too close to the Andrews government to the whole thing being a rightwing extremeist set up.
From ABC news
Victoria's construction industry is reeling after it was plunged into a two-week shutdown overnight following violent protests outside the CFMEU offices in Melbourne's CBD.

Key points:​

  • CFMEU Victorian secretary John Setka said "professional protesters" were behind Monday's violent demonstration
  • Master Builders Association CEO Rebecca Casson has backed the industry closure despite it coming as a "bitter blow"
  • There are fears more protests could unfold in Mebourne's CBD today
Thousands of construction workers in metropolitan Melbourne and and some parts of regional Victoria have been stood down in the wake of the protests, which police responded to with rubber bullets and multiple arrests.

The action, which drew around 500 people to the CFMEU headquarters, was organised to oppose a Victorian government mandate requiring all construction workers to have had at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose by September 23.

An angry crowd threw bottles and a crate at Victorian CFMEU construction secretary John Setka when he tried to address the protest.
This morning, Mr Setka said he believed only a small number of protesters who were at the union headquarters yesterday taking part in the violent protest were actually union members.

"There was some union members there but in the whole scheme of things, they weren't the majority there," he said.

Mr Setka said "professional protesters" who had been involved in violent clashes with police in Richmond over the weekend were part of the crowd outside the CFMEU offices on Monday.

He said the actions of people who were mostly not union members or construction workers had led to the industry shutdown.

"We've kept our industry going safely since COVID hit us and we've tried to keep our members all working and to now see because of a handful of drunken idiots there's 300,000 plus workers sitting at home for at least the next two weeks, it's very disappointing," he said.
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Professional protesters? So who is paying them??
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
Problem solved folks.
Now the narrative has changed from it being construction workers angry at haveing been sold out by union management seen to be too close to the Andrews government to the whole thing being a rightwing extremeist set up.
From ABC news

Professional protesters? So who is paying them??
Mick
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Nah. The extremists in the anti vaxxer/COVID is a hoax/ QAnon is alive movements just enjoy the punch ups. And they certainly wouldn't miss an opportunity to have another fight outside the CFMEU.
 
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basilio said:
Nah. The extremists in the anti vaxxer/COVID is a hoax/ QAnon is alive movements just enjoy the punch ups. And they certainly wouldn't miss an opportunity to have another fight outside the CFMEU.
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I think the CFMEU have enough of their own who enjoy a good punch up without importing others,
Have a look at the bevy of large menacing looking body guards that usually walk around with John Setka.
Setka said this morning that those members from the CFMEU involved in protesting will not have a job in construction and can go pick fruit.
Setka himself has been charged once for domestic violence, and is under investigation for another round of domestic violence in January this year.
Mick
 

COVID has killed about as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu​

By CARLA K. JOHNSONyesterday


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FILE - This photo made available by the Library of Congress shows a demonstration at the Red Cross Emergency Ambulance Station in Washington during the influenza pandemic of 1918. Historians think the pandemic started in Kansas in early 1918, and by winter 1919 the virus had infected a third of the global population and killed at least 50 million people, including 675,000 Americans. Some estimates put the toll as high as 100 million. (Library of Congress via AP, File)

COVID-19 has now killed about as many Americans as the 1918-19 Spanish flu pandemic did — approximately 675,000.

The U.S. population a century ago was just one-third of what it is today, meaning the flu cut a much bigger, more lethal swath through the country. But the COVID-19 crisis is by any measure a colossal tragedy in its own right, especially given the incredible advances in scientific knowledge since then and the failure to take maximum advantage of the vaccines available this time.

“Big pockets of American society — and, worse, their leaders — have thrown this away,” medical historian Dr. Howard Markel of the University of Michigan said of the opportunity to vaccinate everyone eligible by now.

Like the Spanish flu, the coronavirus may never entirely disappear from our midst. Instead, scientists hope it becomes a mild seasonal bug as human immunity strengthens through vaccination and repeated infection. That could take time.

“We hope it will be like getting a cold, but there’s no guarantee,” said Emory University biologist Rustom Antia, who suggests an optimistic scenario in which this could happen over a few years.
For now, the pandemic still has the United States and other parts of the world firmly in its jaws.

While the delta-fueled surge in infections may have peaked, U.S. deaths are running at over 1,900 a day on average, the highest level since early March, and the country’s overall toll topped 675,000 Monday, according to the count kept by Johns Hopkins University, though the real number is believed to be higher.

apnews.com

COVID has killed about as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu

COVID-19 has now killed about as many Americans as the 1918-19 Spanish flu pandemic did — approximately 675,000.
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mullokintyre said:
Problem solved folks.
Now the narrative has changed from it being construction workers angry at haveing been sold out by union management seen to be too close to the Andrews government to the whole thing being a rightwing extremeist set up.
From ABC news

Professional protesters? So who is paying them??
Mick
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The really funny part is the muppets will believe it.
They were no walk up rent a crowd mob, that was a group of disenfranchised workers, blind Freddy can see that. ?
Also if they were right wing nut jobs, Andrews wouldn't punish the construction workers, that is asking for trouble.
They union helped their mates in Government, without running it past the blokes first, because they new the blokes would have voted it down.:xyxthumbs
So now the legal representation and voice of the construction workers, has made it mandatory that workers be vaccinated, or can be stood down.
Why wouldn't the blokes be pizzed. If it was a State Liberal government in office, the union would have taken a vote and told the Government to sod off. ;)
 
wayneL said:
Possibly a watershed moment, today.
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Well I don't think the workers are very happy, the footage of them outside the CFMEU office, didn't show people shouting anti vax slogans and shouting down lockdowns.
They were screaming abuse at their union officials and calling them names, which would indicate it was them they were angry with, not the vaccine per se.
As for the Premier punishing the whole construction industry, well that is pretty totalitarian and a lot of muscle flexing, that isn't usually applied in Australia.
The mob today looked pretty angry, which when you consider they are probably not going to get Government financial support as the shutdown is only two weeks, could end up being a very hostile two weeks.
Add to that, now the loonies have been blamed, they will see no reason not to join in, which will indeed cloud things and the situation could quite easily escalate.
My guess is Andrews will either back down, or beef up the police response, I don't think it will be allowed to meander along. :2twocents
 
sptrawler said:
Well I don't think the workers are very happy, the footage of them outside the CFMEU office, didn't show people shouting anti vax slogans and shouting down lockdowns.
They were screaming abuse at their union officials and calling them names, which would indicate it was them they were angry with, not the vaccine per se.
As for the Premier punishing the whole construction industry, well that is pretty totalitarian and a lot of muscle flexing, that isn't usually applied in Australia.
The mob today looked pretty angry, which when you consider they are probably not going to get Government financial support as the shutdown is only two weeks, could end up being a very hostile two weeks.
Add to that, now the loonies have been blamed, they will see no reason not to join in, which will indeed cloud things and the situation could quite easily escalate. :2twocents
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Apparently the construction industry (not housing) have been leaking COVID cases and have been warned (then dummy spit over lunch rooms),

Cannot see much sympathy going their way after nurses have been in the trench's for 18 months.

Note unions have been trying to keep things going while maintaining safe working conditions then these guys just trash it.
 
IFocus said:
Apparently the construction industry (not housing) have been leaking COVID cases and have been warned (then dummy spit over lunch rooms),

Cannot see much sympathy going their way after nurses have been in the trench's for 18 months.

Note unions have been trying to keep things going while maintaining safe working conditions then these guys just trash it.
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Agree, but like I said earlier, the first incident at the CFMEU office certainly sounded as though the vaccine mandate hadn't been put to the rank and file.
That crowd wasn't going bananas about the vaccine, or the lockdowns, they were going bananas at the officials.
The officials probably made a call, that they though wouldn't cause a huge fuss, one of those "seemed like a good idea at the time" things?
Andrews may well have given the officials an ultimatum, who knows, but it certainly has turned to $hit and needs to be nipped in the bud before it gets out of control.
The only thing now, is to see who blinks first, the establishment has given the CFMEU workers an out by blaming the loonies, hopefully the guys take it.
Just my thoughts.
 

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