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The Anti Vaxxers are well and truly taking over this fight.
Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion
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not sure if we anymore proof about the lies that come out of Politicians mouth.
Here is Daniel Andrews denying that the health minister said an extra 4,000 beds would be made available.
It is immediately followed by the video of the (former) health minister saying exactly that along with a copy of the press release that announced exactly that.
The government and MSM media wonder why there are so many protesters.
More and more victorians are saying to the elites, we have had enough.
The genie is now out of the bottle, and it will not be put back in.
In some ways, i am fearful of where this will end.
But one thing is sure, things will not be the same again.
Mick
Here is Daniel Andrews denying that the health minister said an extra 4,000 beds would be made available.
It is immediately followed by the video of the (former) health minister saying exactly that along with a copy of the press release that announced exactly that.
The government and MSM media wonder why there are so many protesters.
More and more victorians are saying to the elites, we have had enough.
The genie is now out of the bottle, and it will not be put back in.
In some ways, i am fearful of where this will end.
But one thing is sure, things will not be the same again.
Mick
I mentioned before that mates in nsw were dead against the vaccine that were of certain backgrounds. I've had countless others call me for advice on vaccination. I've always given the good and the bad with the vaccine. Told them to also get a check up and to also ask their doctor. When presented with information sources they trust, they tend to get vaxxed.
It seems to be Facebook and social driving it though. Celebrities and media lying has basically stuffed it worse. Note to media personalities: the only ones that give a fcuk are those that already agree with you. You helped stigmatise a whole bunch of people into a very large angry threat. This has been a two pronged threat. One from disinformation and the other from elite wankery.
NSW government has its finger on the pulse. Bjiggles has read it well so far. Unvaccinated are allowed back on worksites as it may blow up into riots. I don't think the Melbourne protests are liberal led. It seems to be a clear divide similar to the US. I'm thinking it's helped along by a propaganda drive from foreign actors. If anything people hate lib Feds.
Construction restrictions to lift in NSW, unvaccinated workers permitted to return to work
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100480052?__twitter_impression=true
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The Victorian Charter of Rights was given much fanfare when the labour Government bought in the legislation.
heres on of the provisions in that Charter. (see full charter Here .
We have a highly paid human rights commissioner in Victoria.
Have not heard a peep out of that person.
The Liberty Victoria has come out and said that although many of the provisions of the charter habe indeed been "suspended",
Mick
heres on of the provisions in that Charter. (see full charter Here .
Whether you think vaccinations should be mandatory or not, you cannot argue that mandatory vaccination provisions go against this charter.
We have a highly paid human rights commissioner in Victoria.
Have not heard a peep out of that person.
The Liberty Victoria has come out and said that although many of the provisions of the charter habe indeed been "suspended",
I guess it could be argued that giving the people freedom to not be vaccinated as long as you are prepared to be excluded does indeed give people a degree of choice. Hobsons choice perhaps.
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As a committed libertarian, I am stunned that Victorians have allowed themselves to have so many freedoms hacked away.
The latest Police State demand was forCivil Aviation Authority to ban all choppers except Police choppers from the CBD, so as to not allow them to film the protests/riots.
from todays OZ
But of course it also prevented any other non MSM media pilots from flying over the CBD and taking footage.
If people do not stand up for liberty, they cannot complain when its taken away.
Mick
The latest Police State demand was forCivil Aviation Authority to ban all choppers except Police choppers from the CBD, so as to not allow them to film the protests/riots.
from todays OZ
CASA, being a unaccountable entity in its own right, would see absolutely no problem in making sure that the rest of the world do not see things the authorities don't want them to see.
But of course it also prevented any other non MSM media pilots from flying over the CBD and taking footage.
If people do not stand up for liberty, they cannot complain when its taken away.
Mick
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Spot on.
The thing is, we've been silent when draconian legislation is pushed through, and it's been happening for decades.
The "she'll be right" attitude has caught up with us in a big way. The closet totalitarians have caught us on the hop and now they've jumped out of the closet, were all like, WTF just happened.
But it's been going on for 20 years (a lot longer actually) from both major parties.
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Well the repercussions have started, for those who dared voice their discontent, just shows the Liberal Party isn't the only ones workers have to worry about IMO. 
Can't wait to see how 'Fair Work", deals with the unions, causing unfair dismissal. ?
Imagine if Scomo rang up a business and said I want those people sacked, for being in that demonstration. There would be an uproar, how the world has changed.
www.smh.com.au
From the article:
At least one building worker has already been sacked after attending Monday’s violent protest outside the CFMEU headquarters in Melbourne, and he has accused the construction union of pressuring his employers to lay him off.
A worker from a CBD construction site who attended Monday’s protests told The Age on condition of anonymity that he was sacked on Tuesday morning. He said he was not opposed to vaccination and had not been violent at the protest.
He said his employer had called him and told him he had no choice but to remove him from the job as the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union had threatened the business with loss of trade if he did not comply. Several other workers had also been laid off for attending, the worker said, which has been confirmed by The Age with third-party sources also speaking on condition of anonymity because they feared for their futures in the industry.
The worker, who is a CFMEU member with 25 years’ experience, said he had left-wing views and had received two COVID-19 vaccinations.
The worker said he and his colleagues had become angry on Monday morning after being presented with a proposal to work six hours without break but to be paid for eight. “People have had a gutful,” he said. “We said f--- this, we are going to march and get some answers.”
The worker who was sacked said he feared he would be driven out of the industry and unable to support his family. He estimated well over 90 per cent of the crowd when he was there on Monday were building workers. “It was genuine angry workers.”
While the far right and those opposed to vaccinations were active, senior union figures estimated about 80 to 90 per cent of the protesters on Monday were construction workers. That proportion was estimated to have dropped considerably over the following days.
Some of Monday’s protesters were drawn from Mr Setka’s powerbase in the Croatian community and rely on him for work as part of patronage networks. Many are right-wing and have anti-vaccination views and have now turned on the union leader. There were further signs of the fracturing of this powerbase with the presence at the rallies on Monday and Wednesday of Anton Sucic, one of Mr Setka’s closest long-term friends.
Can't wait to see how 'Fair Work", deals with the unions, causing unfair dismissal. ?
Imagine if Scomo rang up a business and said I want those people sacked, for being in that demonstration. There would be an uproar, how the world has changed.
Building worker sacked, allegedly under union pressure, for attending protest
A building worker has said the construction union pressured his employer to sack him after he attended Monday’s violent protest at the union’s office.
At least one building worker has already been sacked after attending Monday’s violent protest outside the CFMEU headquarters in Melbourne, and he has accused the construction union of pressuring his employers to lay him off.
A worker from a CBD construction site who attended Monday’s protests told The Age on condition of anonymity that he was sacked on Tuesday morning. He said he was not opposed to vaccination and had not been violent at the protest.
He said his employer had called him and told him he had no choice but to remove him from the job as the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union had threatened the business with loss of trade if he did not comply. Several other workers had also been laid off for attending, the worker said, which has been confirmed by The Age with third-party sources also speaking on condition of anonymity because they feared for their futures in the industry.
The worker, who is a CFMEU member with 25 years’ experience, said he had left-wing views and had received two COVID-19 vaccinations.
The worker said he and his colleagues had become angry on Monday morning after being presented with a proposal to work six hours without break but to be paid for eight. “People have had a gutful,” he said. “We said f--- this, we are going to march and get some answers.”
The worker who was sacked said he feared he would be driven out of the industry and unable to support his family. He estimated well over 90 per cent of the crowd when he was there on Monday were building workers. “It was genuine angry workers.”
While the far right and those opposed to vaccinations were active, senior union figures estimated about 80 to 90 per cent of the protesters on Monday were construction workers. That proportion was estimated to have dropped considerably over the following days.
Some of Monday’s protesters were drawn from Mr Setka’s powerbase in the Croatian community and rely on him for work as part of patronage networks. Many are right-wing and have anti-vaccination views and have now turned on the union leader. There were further signs of the fracturing of this powerbase with the presence at the rallies on Monday and Wednesday of Anton Sucic, one of Mr Setka’s closest long-term friends.
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Well, now we see who really stands up for the workers.
Where is sally McManus?
Where are the big end of town boys from the Construction Industry?
Where is the building watchdog?
Deathly silent the lot of them.
Now all we need is for som carpet bagger from the LNP to take up his cause and really screw things up.
The elites just roll on.
Mick
Where is sally McManus?
Where are the big end of town boys from the Construction Industry?
Where is the building watchdog?
Deathly silent the lot of them.
Now all we need is for som carpet bagger from the LNP to take up his cause and really screw things up.
The elites just roll on.
Mick
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Meanwhile the NSW vaccine rollout continues, we aren't into Oct yet, so as long as people have the second dose 80% is well in reach.
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Same paper two different takes on today's proceedings, just shows how things are presented makes a huge difference.
One infers that the protesters went to the shrine as an act of disrespect, the other infers they were herded there by the police, go figure.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-and-hail-of-bean-rounds-20210922-p58tr6.html
From the article:
Melbourne endured a third day of anti-vaccine anarchy on Wednesday as protesters chanted “freedom” on the steps of one of the city’s most sacred landmarks, the Shrine of Remembrance, only to be blasted off late in the afternoon by police firing non-lethal rounds.
The Shrine, which was built in 1934 and commemorates those who served and died in Australia’s wars, was left with its lawns littered with rubbish, including a full can of chickpeas, tear gas canisters and leftover “bean” rounds. One decorated veteran stood by with his head in his hands.
The hours-long stand-off between police and several hundred protesters came at the end of another meandering march through the city. Once the demonstrators had occupied the steps of the Shrine and were sitting around the eternal flame, they chanted a mix of anti-vaccine slogans and invective at Premier Daniel Andrews, as well as singing the national anthem and holding a minute’s silence for people who had died by suicide during the pandemic. At one stage they took a knee in front of police officers.
Shrine chairman Captain Stephen Bowater decried the protest as “disgraceful and disrespectful”. “The Shrine of Remembrance is sacred. It is not a place of protest,” he said. RSL Victoria said the protesters were “completely disrespecting the sanctity” of the site.
www.theage.com.au
From the article:
Monday’s brawls outside the CFMEU headquarters was not a planned event, and it took police some time to use PORT.
On Tuesday police chose to protect key buildings, including Parliament House, not wanting a Washington-type January attack when Trump supporters stormed Capitol Hill. PORT took the front line with a row of horses behind supported by uniform police.
As thousands of building workers, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists and others with unknown agendas walked around the city, police moved to different positions to protect key spots without attempting to disperse the crowd.
At the end of Tuesday Chief Commissioner Shane Patton warned returning protestersthey would face a stronger police approach. While not returning to the Plattfuss line of bringing out the batons, he made it clear you shouldn’t weep crocodile tears if you happened to get tear-gassed.
PORT and the Critical Incident Response Team would take the lead. Heavily armoured vehicles usually dispatched for terrorism incidents were plainly in sight.
Wednesday’s hardcore crowd appeared to have no plan. They wandered around enabling police to employ sheepdog tactics, herding them in one direction.
In a spectacularly stupid move the demonstrators congregated at the Shrine of Remembrance – an act certain to strip any shred of public sympathy.
One side was equipped with shields, horses, capsicum spray, tear-gas and rubber bullets. The other with slogans. The demonstrators were the static line with their backs to a building while police were the mobile force leaving the demonstrators an exit route.
They deliberately left the lid off the toothpaste and then began to squeeze.
One infers that the protesters went to the shrine as an act of disrespect, the other infers they were herded there by the police, go figure.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-and-hail-of-bean-rounds-20210922-p58tr6.html
From the article:
Melbourne endured a third day of anti-vaccine anarchy on Wednesday as protesters chanted “freedom” on the steps of one of the city’s most sacred landmarks, the Shrine of Remembrance, only to be blasted off late in the afternoon by police firing non-lethal rounds.
The Shrine, which was built in 1934 and commemorates those who served and died in Australia’s wars, was left with its lawns littered with rubbish, including a full can of chickpeas, tear gas canisters and leftover “bean” rounds. One decorated veteran stood by with his head in his hands.
The hours-long stand-off between police and several hundred protesters came at the end of another meandering march through the city. Once the demonstrators had occupied the steps of the Shrine and were sitting around the eternal flame, they chanted a mix of anti-vaccine slogans and invective at Premier Daniel Andrews, as well as singing the national anthem and holding a minute’s silence for people who had died by suicide during the pandemic. At one stage they took a knee in front of police officers.
Shrine chairman Captain Stephen Bowater decried the protest as “disgraceful and disrespectful”. “The Shrine of Remembrance is sacred. It is not a place of protest,” he said. RSL Victoria said the protesters were “completely disrespecting the sanctity” of the site.
How police tactics have changed (and changed again) in dealing with protests
The demonstrators were the static line with their backs to a building while police were the mobile force leaving the demonstrators an exit route. They deliberately left the lid off the toothpaste and then began to squeeze.
Monday’s brawls outside the CFMEU headquarters was not a planned event, and it took police some time to use PORT.
On Tuesday police chose to protect key buildings, including Parliament House, not wanting a Washington-type January attack when Trump supporters stormed Capitol Hill. PORT took the front line with a row of horses behind supported by uniform police.
As thousands of building workers, anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists and others with unknown agendas walked around the city, police moved to different positions to protect key spots without attempting to disperse the crowd.
At the end of Tuesday Chief Commissioner Shane Patton warned returning protestersthey would face a stronger police approach. While not returning to the Plattfuss line of bringing out the batons, he made it clear you shouldn’t weep crocodile tears if you happened to get tear-gassed.
PORT and the Critical Incident Response Team would take the lead. Heavily armoured vehicles usually dispatched for terrorism incidents were plainly in sight.
Wednesday’s hardcore crowd appeared to have no plan. They wandered around enabling police to employ sheepdog tactics, herding them in one direction.
In a spectacularly stupid move the demonstrators congregated at the Shrine of Remembrance – an act certain to strip any shred of public sympathy.
One side was equipped with shields, horses, capsicum spray, tear-gas and rubber bullets. The other with slogans. The demonstrators were the static line with their backs to a building while police were the mobile force leaving the demonstrators an exit route.
They deliberately left the lid off the toothpaste and then began to squeeze.
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I have no objection to police controlling violence and/or protecting buildings from damage etc. But clearly it is the police inciting the violence in, not all, but many cases where people protesting peacefully.
Gents, this is all going in a very dangerous direction IMO.
Gents, this is all going in a very dangerous direction IMO.
wayneL
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A view from our indigenous folk.
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It just shows, it doesn't matter which country you are from or what style of Government it has, when push comes to shove there isn't a lot between them.
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In all this story one issue seems to be ignored.
Victoria is under lockdown to stop the spread of the currently highly infectious Delta COVID. Mass gatherings are illegal to protect public health. Thousands of people massing together without mostly without masks are spreading the disease with a vengence.
How are the rest of the community supposed to feel about thousands of people wilfully spreading a disease that will undermine their jobs, their health and their families ? And what we would think of a government that didn't take appropriate steps to stop this behaviour.
Victoria is under lockdown to stop the spread of the currently highly infectious Delta COVID. Mass gatherings are illegal to protect public health. Thousands of people massing together without mostly without masks are spreading the disease with a vengence.
How are the rest of the community supposed to feel about thousands of people wilfully spreading a disease that will undermine their jobs, their health and their families ? And what we would think of a government that didn't take appropriate steps to stop this behaviour.
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So how do you equate the protest with "wilfully spreading the disease".
The protests are outdoors.
Do a little bit of research and you will find that there have been very little transmission outdoors (the CDC according to This puts it about 1% of Covid cases).
Part of the easing of restrictions has been the allowance of outdoor picnics etc.
You don't know the protesters vax state, you don't know their current covid disease situation, in fact you nothing other than what the MSM have branded them.
Whatever their rationale for protesting, you have no basis for accusing them of wilfully spreading the disease.
Hyperbole, nothing more.
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Ok I'll take out the word wilfully. I'll accept the premise that there was no person in the crowd who deliberately intended to spread COVID. Recklessly, thoughtlessly ? With absolutely no care ? Are these more accurate descriptions?
However.. Do you remember the spreading of COVID at the MCG in July ? This was one of the key factors in spreading that particular wave of the disease. In fact this event coupled with the massive spread of Delta Covid in India through mass outdoor religious festivals highlighted just how infectious the new strain had become.
There is also a HUGE quantitative difference between smalls groups of people in outside picnics and a massed crowd of people moving together for hours and screaming their hearts out. The earliest examinations of COVID spread noted just how quickly the virus spread in choirs because of the raised and projected voices.
As to the COVID state of the protesters. I think they made it very clear they didn't give a damn about isolation and attempting to quarantine themself. Many were from building sites which have already shown 300 plus infections. So there is a higher than normal probability that some of these people were infected.
We know from experience in Melbourne that a single person at an event can infect scores of people over a few hours. The engagement party in Caufield situation ?
'It's worrying': Australia used as COVID-19 'test case' as global experts study Delta's movement
Australia is being used as a "test case" by researchers across the world watching the spread of the COVID-19 Delta variant, with the country's low vaccination rates and comparatively low case numbers allowing "clean data" for analysis.
www.abc.net.au
Health authorities grow concerned over mystery St Kilda Covid cluster
Victoria has recorded 24 new locally-acquired cases of coronavirus as health authorities grow increasingly concerned over a cluster of mystery cases in Melbourne's inner south-east.
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So today the fight to overthrow the Victorian lockdowns and undermine the vaccination machine has slowed down. 92 arrests of the early birds. The remainder have made a tactical withdrawal.
Major highlights today and recently
www.abc.net.au
Major highlights today and recently
- The protesters targeted vaccination centres and their staff. Staff were spat on. Two centres are now closed until staff are tested to see if they have been infected
- One of the people arrested at the Shrine action is now in hospital with COVID. I wonder how many of his fellow protesters and the police are now infected ?=
Victoria Police arrest 92 protesters, as crowds fail to show for fourth day of rallies
Protesters have been condemned for spitting on and abusing health workers in Melbourne, but large-scale rallies planned for Thursday did not eventuate as police took control of the streets.
www.abc.net.au
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The engagement party was inside.
The MCG infections came from people frequenting inside bars within the arena.
We are still waiting for the massive increase in cases from the BLM protests, large groups of people together, but outdoors.
Mick
The MCG infections came from people frequenting inside bars within the arena.
We are still waiting for the massive increase in cases from the BLM protests, large groups of people together, but outdoors.
Mick
Hasn't the Melbourne lockdowns already failed?Ok I'll take out the word wilfully. I'll accept the premise that there was no person in the crowd who deliberately intended to spread COVID. Recklessly, thoughtlessly ? With absolutely no care ? Are these more accurate descriptions?
However.. Do you remember the spreading of COVID at the MCG in July ? This was one of the key factors in spreading that particular wave of the disease. In fact this event coupled with the massive spread of Delta Covid in India through mass outdoor religious festivals highlighted just how infectious the new strain had become.
There is also a HUGE quantitative difference between smalls groups of people in outside picnics and a massed crowd of people moving together for hours and screaming their hearts out. The earliest examinations of COVID spread noted just how quickly the virus spread in choirs because of the raised and projected voices.
As to the COVID state of the protesters. I think they made it very clear they didn't give a damn about isolation and attempting to quarantine themself. Many were from building sites which have already shown 300 plus infections. So there is a higher than normal probability that some of these people were infected.
We know from experience in Melbourne that a single person at an event can infect scores of people over a few hours. The engagement party in Caufield situation ?
'It's worrying': Australia used as COVID-19 'test case' as global experts study Delta's movement
Australia is being used as a "test case" by researchers across the world watching the spread of the COVID-19 Delta variant, with the country's low vaccination rates and comparatively low case numbers allowing "clean data" for analysis.Health authorities grow concerned over mystery St Kilda Covid cluster
Victoria has recorded 24 new locally-acquired cases of coronavirus as health authorities grow increasingly concerned over a cluster of mystery cases in Melbourne's inner south-east.www.dailymail.co.uk
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Wjhen you compare the trajectory of NSW and Victoria, there is some contrast.
Over the past week, the number of active cases in Victoria has increased by 2500 (source Vic Covid ).
The daily case numbers has a distinctly increasing trend.
NSW over the past week has had a decrease of 1800 active cases, even without yesterdays figures added in.
NSW daily case numbers are still higher than Victoria's, but it seems to have peaked, and down from the highs of last week.
So one might well argue that the lockdown in Victoria has failed, despite what some might say about modelling showing it could have been so much worse.
Mick
Over the past week, the number of active cases in Victoria has increased by 2500 (source Vic Covid ).
The daily case numbers has a distinctly increasing trend.
NSW over the past week has had a decrease of 1800 active cases, even without yesterdays figures added in.
NSW daily case numbers are still higher than Victoria's, but it seems to have peaked, and down from the highs of last week.
So one might well argue that the lockdown in Victoria has failed, despite what some might say about modelling showing it could have been so much worse.
Mick