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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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sptrawler said:
I'm not sure that is accurate, as a lot of hospital staff weren't vaccinated for covid and I'm sure it would have been demanded if an instruction already existed.
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I don't know about covid vaccination but I understand Victoria has legislation requiring those in health care to have flu vaccinations. I don't know if similar applies to other States. One problem I guess is it is a matter for State Governments not Federal - at the moment.
 
Interesting, in W.A I'm pretty sure the flu jab is still voluntary, I worked in essential service and they asked us to get the flu jab, but it wasn't a case of you could face disciplinary action if you didn't.
If Victoria already has legislation to force flu jabs, I would have thought it would be easy to just add covid to that legislation, as it is also a respiratory infection same as flu. .
When I google it, it looks as though it was proposed in 2020, but I can't see where it was actually passed as a law.

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Health Services Amendment (Mandatory Vaccination of Healthcare Workers) Act 2020

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Found it, you are right @Belli, Victoria can force front line health workers to have a vaccination, interesting.

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I haven't followed it all that closely to be honest as I have been concentrating on an other aspect since the middle of last year and that is self-preservation. Others can bang on about rights, viability of vaccines, herd immunity or ingesting Vitamin D. As far as I am concerned it's taking the eye off the main game which is to avoid as far as possible contracting Covid. When that situation arose I upped my personal efforts such as wearing a mask.

Plus those who do the clinical research and other activities of that nature are much smarter than I am. It's what they do on a daily basis and I don't.

So after reading read a some of the results of their efforts it wasn't hard for me to conclude what to do.
 
It doesn't bode well for the virus going away, when the WHO says the new covid strains will be named after star constellations, when the 24 letters of the Greek alphabet have been used.

COVID variant names written in stars after Greek alphabet is used

New coronavirus variants are to be named after star constellations when all the letters in the Greek alphabet are used, a senior World Health Organisation official has said.
www.smh.com.au
 
Anyone know how these proposed vaccine passports are going to work? I presume we get some kind of certificate/proof of vaccination but then what? Do they add a little "V" to our passport or???
 
over9k said:
Anyone know how these proposed vaccine passports are going to work? I presume we get some kind of certificate/proof of vaccination but then what? Do they add a little "V" to our passport or???
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My guess is it will be some sort of app, that links to your 'my gov' account, the elderly who don't have a smart phone will probably have to download a copy of the certificate, well that's what it sounds like ATM reading the sketchy info.
The U.K are further down the track of the covid passport, so I assume we will piggy back on their model, if they have ironed out the glitches.
Just my thoughts.
 

iPhone users can download it to the Apple Wallet.
 
over9k said:
Anyone know how these proposed vaccine passports are going to work? I presume we get some kind of certificate/proof of vaccination but then what? Do they add a little "V" to our passport or???
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Lots of talk haven't seen an international recognised standard yet Rex Patrick managed to forge a certificate already as for Australia some places wont accept our AZ vax as valid anyway not sure if that has since changed.
 
Sky News management is facing a Senate inquiry over the lies and misinformation re. COVID it has relentlessly promoted through it's TV and website.
In preparation for the inquiry they have scrubbed 31 videos off all their media. Looks like the inquiry will have to reference The Guardian to see what they were peddling.

Given that many people rarely get past the headlines it is interesting to see the headings of these videos.

The list of the 31 videos which have been removed:​

  • Ivermectin treatment caused ‘amazing improvement’: Melbourne COVID patients
  • Statistical analysis of 118 studies proves ‘efficacy’ of Hydroxychloroquine
  • Potential COVID treatment facing ‘intrinsic bias due to non-scientific concerns’
  • Doctor claims Ivermectin triple therapy is ‘amazingly effective’ in treating COVID-19
  • Ivermectin treatment ‘could bring us all together by Christmas’
  • ‘Dangerous Dan is wrong about compulsory facemasks’: Alan Jones
  • There is no good reason to ban two potential ‘COVID cures’: Andrew Bolt
  • Systemic discouragement of Hydroxychloroquine is a ‘national scandal’
  • Doctors, patients should be free to decide on whether to take hydroxychloroquine
  • There is ‘much ado about nothing’ amid hysteria at NSW premier’s breach of guidelines
  • Australian scientists roll out hydroxychloroquine trial
  • Bureaucrats ‘deny the evidence, Hydroxychloroquine reduces death by 73 per cent’
  • US stockpiles 29 million doses of hydroxychloroquine drug
  • The jury is in on Hydroxychloroquine – ‘it saves lives’: Rowan Dean
  • COVID-19 is ‘not a unique disease’, yet here we are, with lockdowns everywhere: Jones
  • ‘Evil’: Family kicked off plane for ‘authoritarian’ mask rules: Outsiders
  • Were doctors free to prescribe Hydroxychloroquine, ‘we wouldn’t need the lockdowns’
  • Clinical trials show Hydroxychloroquine is ‘safe’ with no reported toxicity
  • ‘Fears of people taking Hydroxychloroquine in unregulated ways are quite real’
  • There is a ‘mountain of evidence’ supporting Hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID
  • ‘Coronavirus death rate is roughly inline with the flu’: Medical professor
  • Melbourne GP says Ivermectin treatment is ‘very effective’
  • Andrews’ mask mandate is another ‘dreamt up draconian measure’: Alan Jones
  • Covid-19 treatments are ‘staring at us in the face’ but have been ignored
  • Doctors warn public against use of Hydroxychloroquine after Trump revelation
  • Ivermectin treatment is a ‘real killer of coronavirus’: Professor
  • Studies show hydroxychloroquine cuts ‘virus mortality in half in high risk groups’
  • People are out ‘to prove President Trump wrong’ on Hydroxychloroquine
  • There is ‘rank dishonesty’ about Hydroxychloroquine: Alan Jones
  • Leftist media ‘willing to have lives lost’ as a result of hatred for Trump
  • ‘Only a one in 17 billion chance hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work’: medical professor: Outsiders

Sky News Australia deletes dozens of videos promoting unproven Covid treatments

Broadcaster has deleted more than 30 videos, including those featuring Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt, ahead of Senate inquiry
www.theguardian.com
 
The push toward compulsory vaccinations continues.

WA’s unvaccinated aged care workers face $20,000 fines

Residential aged care staff who go to work unvaccinated against COVID-19 will be heavily fined under a state of emergency order signed by WA’s Chief Health Officer today. Here’s when it kicks in.
thewest.com.au
From the article:
Residential aged care workers who go to work unvaccinated against COVID-19 will be fined up to $20,000 under a state of emergency order signed by WA’s Chief Health Officer today.

The new mandatory vaccination rules come into effect on September 17 after being agreed to by State and Territory leaders at National Cabinet.

Andy Robertson, WA’s top doctor, signed orders which state that anyone who fails to comply with the directions could be fined up to $20,000.
The penalties rise to $100,000 for bodies corporate.

Owners and operators of aged care facilities are required to collect and maintain a record of vaccination status of all their staff and must be able to produce a record to authorities on request.
It comes after WA Premier Mark McGowan flagged compulsory vaccination would be imposed on port, airline and healthcare workers.

Also from this week, all WA Police officers and staff must have had at least one vaccine dose or will be ordered to wear a mask at work.
 
As draconian as some want to portray it, employers in health care and several other industry sectors have a duty of care.
And with genomic testing of covid it's possible to identify precisely who is likely to have passed the disease to another.
So if a person contracts covid and is able to identify who they got it from, then they may be able to claim damages.
Employers who do not take all reasonable steps to mitigate harm are wide open.
 
How many more stories like this need to be posted ?

Chef’s parents and brother die from Covid within week after jab refusal​

Francis Goncalves, from Cardiff, wants his family’s experience to encourage people to get vaccinated

Francis Goncalves said his mother, father and brother, who lived in Portugal, were frightened by misinformation from anti-vaxxers. Photograph: Mark Lewis/Media Wales
Steven Morris and agency

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Tue 10 Aug 2021 02.45 AEST
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A man from Cardiff has claimed he lost his mother, father and brother from Covid within a week because all three had chosen not to be jabbed after they were frightened by misinformation from anti-vaxxers.

Francis Goncalves, a chef, said he believed that his father, Basil, 73, contracted Covid while in hospital and his mother, Charmagne, 65, and brother Shaul, 40, picked it up at a family dinner.

He said all three, who were living in Portugal, had turned down the chance to be vaccinated and Goncalves said he hoped sharing his experience may encourage other sceptics to be jabbed.

“They got caught up in a lot of the anti-vaccination propaganda,” he said. “It preys on people who are afraid and they fall into the trap. The message I want to get out is why would the government want to hurt you by giving you a vaccine? What is the purpose behind it? I’ve spoken to so many people who are terrified of the vaccine and it costs lives.”

Covid vaccine hesitancy halves among young people in Great Britain
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Goncalves, 43, said his parents had underlying health conditions but his brother was the “healthiest person” he knew and believes the vaccine would have saved his life, adding: “If he wasn’t working out in the gym or running, he was going on walks. He hadn’t drunk in 15 years and had a plant-based diet.”

Chef’s parents and brother die from Covid within week after jab refusal

Francis Goncalves, from Cardiff, wants his family’s experience to encourage people to get vaccinated
www.theguardian.com
 
The way it is looking, I think a lot of companies will follow the lead, the cost of having the business closed wont be met by the Govt forever.
It is now 12 months on and the reality that covid is here to stay and the Govt is going to constantly fight it, will finally be sinking in, even to the most skeptical.
It is draconian, it is setting a precedent, but if it is what it takes, sometimes things just have to be done.
I bet Scomo is happy, it isn't him doing it, I'm not sure it would get the same favourable response. ?
 
from SMH re UK "experiment"

London: The Delta variant of COVID-19 has wrecked any chance of herd immunity, according to the Oxford scientist who led the AstraZeneca vaccine team, as he called for an end to mass testing so Britain could start to live with the virus.

Scientists who addressed Britain’s all-party parliamentary group on coronavirus said it was time to accept that there is no way of stopping the virus spreading through the entire population, and monitoring people with mild symptoms was no longer helpful.

AstraZeneca lead scientist says Delta makes mass testing pointless in UK

Sir Andrew Pollard told British MPs that Delta was so widespread, it made sense to only test and treat people with symptoms, rather than all their contacts.
www.smh.com.au
 
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