Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[mullokintyre]

From Todays OZ

Locked-down residents in Sydney’s Covid-ravaged southwest can walk in for an AstraZeneca inoculation just about any time they want — but local doctors warn those under 40 are still insisting on holding out until they can get access to the Pfizer vaccine.
As the city recorded an alarming spike in infections on Friday, NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard encouraged residents throughout Sydney’s coronavirus corridor to avoid any delays and turn to the state’s oversupply of AstraZeneca vaccine.
Can I just say that the short answer here is there are oceans of AstraZeneca in NSW. There are also vast amounts of virus in southwestern Sydney,” Mr Hazzard said on Friday.
“What we’re saying is your obligation to yourself, the community, NSW and indeed Australia – because this could leak further into other states – is to get the jabs of AstraZeneca.

“There is no shortage of AstraZeneca vaccines but rather those willing to take the appointment, it seems.”

Despite the minister’s stark warning, practices and clinics throughout the area were still waiting for an influx of residents booking in for a shot.

Even under-40s, who had previously been dissuaded from opting for the AstraZeneca vaccine without medical approval, were able to register for the jab hassle-free at dozens of participating practices, clinics and chemists in Sydney’s southwest as soon as Sunday.

The Eldridge Road Medical Health Centre at the Bankstown Lidcombe Hospital had seven appointments available as early as Sunday and between 17 and 31 appointments available daily from Monday.

It was a similar story in Fairfield, where the first available appointment of five at JP Nicholas Pty Ltd was Sunday. In the following seven days, appointments were available every day, some of which had at least two appointments available on the hour between 8am and 5pm.

Things were a little busier at the Bankstown Family Medical Practice, where the first available appointment was Wednesday at 2.30pm – but from then on prospective patients could just about pick any time they liked.

Jamal Rifi, who runs the Belmore Medical Centre, said his practice had administered hundreds of injections in the past week but that was not nearly enough to safeguard the community against the threat of the highly virulent Delta variant.

“In the last 10 days I gave 320 first doses and 433 second doses. This is unacceptable in the current environment – we need to have double the number of first doses,” Dr Rifi said.

“People have passed their judgment and they are waiting on the Pfizer vaccine. They’re not hesitating getting the (AstraZeneca) vaccine, they’re just refusing to have the AstraZeneca vaccine.”
todays OZ

Perhaps if the health experts came out and said that if people got vaccinated, there would be an end to lockdowns, theey might have a better chance.

This sort of melds in with anecdotal evidence.
As we all know with the Pfiser vaccine, it is initially stored at -80C after manufacture, then is taken out of that extreme cold and stored at higher temp on the day before it is to be used, so they need to have some certainty with the numbers showing up.
My daughter in law has an Uncle , a GP , who has been getting supplies of the Pfiser vaccine. Every day he has cancellations or people who just don't turn up. Each vial of Pfizer has 5 doses, and when opened, must be used within a short time. She, my son along with all of their Melbourne based relos have been given the Pfizer Jab because he rings various members of the family up and says if you can get there by 4.50 you can get a Pfizer jab. He also said that at the two max vax centres at the Exhibition building and Jeffs Shed, people are turning up late in the afternoon to take advantage of the no shows in those two places. It can be anything from 5 to fifty no shows in a day.
He said the no shows were the worst, at least with a cancellation they get a chance to call someone else up. The no shows just don't give that opportunity.
Mick

 

[The Triangle]

Anti-lockdown protesters descend on Sydney

The Sydney protesters were met with a heavy police presence, including lines of mounted police officers, outside Broadway shopping centre before marching towards Town Hall.

www.smh.com.au

Let's get the ring of steel up around Sydney ASAP and leave it there forever. Happy with protestors protesting so long as they and their families are banned from receiving any treatment or hospital admissions from a covid infection.

Gladys let this happen. There should be zero dollars of federal support and zero support from other states.

 

[wayneL]

Anti-lockdown protesters descend on Sydney

The Sydney protesters were met with a heavy police presence, including lines of mounted police officers, outside Broadway shopping centre before marching towards Town Hall.

www.smh.com.au

Let's get the ring of steel up around Sydney ASAP and leave it there forever. Happy with protestors protesting so long as they and their families are banned from receiving any treatment or hospital admissions from a covid infection.

Gladys let this happen. There should be zero dollars of federal support and zero support from other states.

Your brown shirt is in the mail.

 

[macca]

Anti-lockdown protesters descend on Sydney

The Sydney protesters were met with a heavy police presence, including lines of mounted police officers, outside Broadway shopping centre before marching towards Town Hall.

www.smh.com.au

Let's get the ring of steel up around Sydney ASAP and leave it there forever. Happy with protestors protesting so long as they and their families are banned from receiving any treatment or hospital admissions from a covid infection.

Gladys let this happen. There should be zero dollars of federal support and zero support from other states.

They are just getting some sunshine for their Vitamin D

<<Other research has observed high rates of vitamin D deficiency in people with COVID-19 who experienced acute respiratory failure. These people had a significantly higher risk of dying. And a small, randomized study found that of 50 people hospitalized with COVID-19 who were given a high dose of a type of vitamin D (calcifediol), only one needed treatment in the intensive care unit. In contrast, among the 26 people with COVID-19 who weren't given calcifediol, 13 needed to be treated in the intensive care unit.>>

Can vitamin D protect against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Find out what the research says about links between this key vitamin and the widespread viral infection.

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[moXJO]

Here's the problem:
Scomo didn't provide financial assistance. He also rigged what assistance was there so that majority of small businesses can't access it.

Liberals are gone next election as they are fking this year's covid response hard.
Those people protesting are a result of everything that happened.
Response was slow at the start but was recoverable. Now it's just a growing mess. You can't just rely on vaccination if people are losing everything.

I'll say the protests will grow if they don't address the problem.

 

[sptrawler]

Here's the problem:
Scomo didn't provide financial assistance. He also rigged what assistance was there so that majority of small businesses can't access it.

Liberals are gone next election as they are fking this year's covid response hard.
Those people protesting are a result of everything that happened.
Response was slow at the start but was recoverable. Now it's just a growing mess. You can't just rely on vaccination if people are losing everything.

I'll say the protests will grow if they don't address the problem.

I would say Scomo, has ofloaded some of the responsibility for the vaccine roll out to the States, while he turns his attention to the upcoming bushfire season, which the States cant handle, when he is away. Lets be honest he has to cover a lot of issues.
Everyone else just says, blame him.lol

 

[moXJO]

I would say Scomo, has ofloaded some of the responsibility for the vaccine roll out to the States, while he turns his attention to the upcoming bushfire season, which the States cant handle, when he is away. Lets be honest he has to cover a lot of issues.
Everyone else just says, blame him.lol

I've had accountants saying they have left sole traders and smaller businesses to rot. If he doesn't move quickly he is toast. He is losing some core voters that won't come back for decades.

 

[sptrawler]

I've had accountants saying they have left sole traders and smaller businesses to rot. If he doesn't move quickly he is toast. He is losing some core voters that won't come back for decades.

And?
Labor lost a load of core voters last time, they will as you say get them back this time, then next time everyone feels let down by that govmnt.
Havent you noticed the majority of people are unhappy these days, they see on the muppet box what they cant afford and it is always someone elses fault.lol
Cyclical disappointment.
Maybe if we had someone like mother Teresa in charge all would be good, but I dont think so, some sector would be pizzed off about that, it is a fact of life at this point in time in Australia's history.
If you arent happy, say so and someone will be delegated to be responsible for your happiness, there is no reason in Australia in 2021, that everyone shouldn't be happy and if they arent it is a failure of the system.lol

 

[moXJO]

And?
Labor lost a load of core voters last time, they will as you say get them back this time, then next time everyone feels let down by that govmnt, havent you noticed the majority of people are unhappy these days, they see on the muppet box what they cant afford and it is always someone elses fault.lol
Cyclical disappointment.
Maybe if we had someone like mother Teresa in charge all would be good, but I dont think so, some sector would be pizzed off about that, it is a fact of life at this point in time in Australia's history.
If you arent happy, say so and someone will be delegated to be responsible for your happines, there is no reason in Australia in 2021 that everyone shouldnt be happy and if they arent it is a failure of the system.lol

For nsw it will compound the problem.
And lets not forget that this all stems from sco Mo not helping Victoria during their last lockdown. Now he is trying to look partisan by not putting measures in for nsw.

Meanwhile people are going broke.
Same people end up protesting on the streets.
Covid spreads some more.
Lockdowns last longer.
More community anger.

Either you address the problem so as not to compound earlier mistakes. Or you crash and burn trying to do the minimum.

Locking all the Lebanese areas down in Sydney, while shutting down construction was a match to petrol without federal funding.

Scomo got an a+ in my opinion last year. This year was a complete fkup. Perhaps he was worried about the budget figures going into an election. Who knows. But it definitely was an odd direction.

 

[sptrawler]

Well the States have been in charge of the way they handled their circumstances, they have all taken independent actions and when that action has been successful they take kudos for it.
Now there is a complete new strain and it has caught some on the hop, it is someone elses fault.
There are many of us that were screwed over last year, I know I got ff all from anyone be it govnmnt or dividends, now all of a sudden another sector is copping a bit of stress and it is a catastrophe, why?

 

[moXJO]

.
There are many of us that were screwed over last year, I know I got ff all from anyone be it govnmnt or dividends, now all of a sudden another sector is copping a bit of stress and it is a catastrophe, why?

Mainly because they are locking people down with no ability to recoup costs. Given a lot of people survive week to week on their pay check. It will simply come down to self preservation (right or wrong).
Either our political masters start forward thinking, or end up with a riot.

 

[sptrawler]

Mainly because they are locking people down with no ability to recoup costs. Given a lot of people survive week to week on their pay check. It will simply come down to self preservation (right or wrong).
Either our political masters start forward thinking, or end up with a riot.

I just dont follow your thinking, many werent helped out last year, seriously many had to either use all their leave and long service leave at half pay to get through, or if they didnt work and werent eligible for welfare had to burn savings and sell $hit, I think this sort of stuff is going to happen until everyone is either vaccinated or has had the virus.
You cant just keep pumping money into it because it gets hard for some.
Lets not forget, this is the first time the govmnt has ever thrown money at a problem before.
The gfc $950 cheque to everyone on welfare, no jobkeeper, no doubling the dole.
Sooner or later the tap has to be shut off.
When you think about it, would Morrison have cpped any more flack, if he had just said we will send out a $950 cheque to everyone on welfare and everyone else, best of luck our prayers go with you?
The govrnmnt has copped $hit for the debt, now they cop it for not dishing out more.
Interesting, I guess it boils down to how much it affects the individual and in NSW where everyone has $hit loads of debt and or $hit loads of overheads the pain hits home harder and faster.
That is painfull and wouldnt be a great place to be at the moment. Terrible times, hopefully it passes quickly.

 

[moXJO]

I just dont follow your thinking, many werent helped out last year, seriously many had to either use all their leave and long service leave at half pay to get through, or if they didnt work and werent eligible for welfare had to burn savings and sell $hit, I think this sort of stuff is going to happen until everyone is either vaccinated or has had the virus.
You cant just keep pumping money into it because it gets hard for some.
Lets not forget, this is the first time the govmnt has ever thrown money at a problem before.
The gfc $950 cheque to everyone on welfare, no jobkeeper, no doubling the dole.
Sooner or later the tap has to be shut off.
When you think about it, would Morrison have cpped any more flack, if he had just said we will send out a $950 cheque to everyone on welfare and everyone else, best of luck our prayers go with you?
The govrnmnt has copped $hit for the debt, now they cop it for not dishing out more.
Interesting, I guess it boils down to how much it affects the individual and in NSW where everyone has $hit loads of debt and or $hit loads of overheads the pain hits home harder and faster.
That is painfull and wouldnt be a great place to be at the moment. Terrible times, hopefully it passes quickly.

I'm talking small business paying commercial rents and not being able to open. I'm not just talking workers, but those having to wear business expenses and severe loss of revenue.

Accountants are currently lobbying to save a lot of their clients at the moment. So a call out to the unsung hero's of the past two years as the effort saved many families.

I thought they handled it well last year and defended the libs against the usual suspects.
I do think they are really dropping the ball now.

 

[sptrawler]

I understand, but this is going to go on for some time, so there are really two options just let it run amok or people just take a shot of what's available and move on.
I didn't want to have a poxy vaccine, but if I have another year like last year, my retirement plans are cactus, so I had AZ on Tuesday did I want it, no, but it is that or my savings are shot.

 

[qldfrog]

I understand, but this is going to go on for some time, so there are really two options just let it run amok or people just take a shot of what's available and move on.
I didn't want to have a poxy vaccine, but if I have another year like last year, my retirement plans are cactus, so I had AZ on Tuesday did I want it, no, but it is that or my savings are shot.

My worry is ,jabbed or not, does it and worse will it even make a difference in lockdowns?
As long as we stupidly stick to elimination,if an infected animal or illegal entry comes from png or jump from a plan,we will be in lock down again.
The big mistake of Morisson was the narrative going from smooth the curve to elimination.how can we change the narrative with 38% of citizens now thinking they might die of covid-19.
Look at Sweden now...clear who was right

 

[pozindustrial]

In my mind there is only one answer. Provide cheap, effective drugs for treatment like hydroxy+zinc and ivermectin to all hospitals and medical centres for prevention for those that want or need it, provide it to all patients for treatment which will save lives as has already been demonstrated and reduce hospital stays so the hospitals will not be overrun, allow as much infection in the community as possible so that most of the population has proper immunity, stop the drug companies from blocking these sensible approaches, stop telling everyone that vaccines are the only answer because they are highly problematic and not as effective as the immunity that develops after having the virus. Countries like Israel have proved that immunity difference now.
Open up travel and borders, stop lockdowns, open businesses and normal lifestyles again knowing that people will be far more protected from all variants than they will be from the many vaccines and boosters which take too long to roll out and are not as effective as natural immunity. Start educating people about how to increase their immunity to all diseases and stop the censoring of anything that is a threat to the big drug companies that are presently in control of our health.
This is what has been happening to humans since the beginning of life where we become unwell, the body develops immunity and we use anything that works to alleviate symptoms. The strong survive, the weak do not and we learn about what works. At present the strong survive, the weak do not and we learn nothing.
We have been fed fear from drug companies that you will not survive unless you take their drugs. They tell us that they are the only option, the only way to maintain good health, that unless you use their products you will die a horrible death too early in life which is complete bs. We are being led down the garden path until they will control every aspect of your health. We need to take back our power and look after ourselves as we always used to do. If you do not believe that just look at the complete mess the world is in at the moment. This mess has been engineered (treatment options, not the virus), it is not accidental.
This is the only answer as it has always been and people need to wake up. Stop believing the marketing, mainstream media who are funded by drug company advertising, look for the vested interests, think for yourselves.

 

[rederob]

In my mind there is only one answer. Provide cheap, effective drugs for treatment like hydroxy+zinc and ivermectin to all hospitals and medical centres for prevention for those that want or need it, provide it to all patients for treatment which will save lives as has already been demonstrated and reduce hospital stays so the hospitals will not be overrun, allow as much infection in the community as possible so that most of the population has proper immunity, stop the drug companies from blocking these sensible approaches, stop telling everyone that vaccines are the only answer because they are highly problematic and not as effective as the immunity that develops after having the virus. Countries like Israel have proved that immunity difference now.
Open up travel and borders, stop lockdowns, open businesses and normal lifestyles again knowing that people will be far more protected from all variants than they will be from the many vaccines and boosters which take too long to roll out and are not as effective as natural immunity. Start educating people about how to increase their immunity to all diseases and stop the censoring of anything that is a threat to the big drug companies that are presently in control of our health.
This is what has been happening to humans since the beginning of life where we become unwell, the body develops immunity and we use anything that works to alleviate symptoms. The strong survive, the weak do not and we learn about what works. At present the strong survive, the weak do not and we learn nothing.
We have been fed fear from drug companies that you will not survive unless you take their drugs. They tell us that they are the only option, the only way to maintain good health, that unless you use their products you will die a horrible death too early in life which is complete bs. We are being led down the garden path until they will control every aspect of your health. We need to take back our power and look after ourselves as we always used to do. If you do not believe that just look at the complete mess the world is in at the moment. This mess has been engineered (treatment options, not the virus), it is not accidental.
This is the only answer as it has always been and people need to wake up. Stop believing the marketing, mainstream media who are funded by drug company advertising, look for the vested interests, think for yourselves.

Not a single piece of data to support anything you said.
Instead you present lots of proven false ideas. For example we don't build immunity to certain diseases- Ebola and MERS as recent examples - because they are too deadly.
As a treatment for severe covid symptoms oxygen and intubation are very effective, and so is proning, not necessarily drug intervention.
Your conspiracy theories are what drives greater concern and relies on the gullible accepting your baseless views.

 

[IFocus]

Not a single piece of data to support anything you said.
Instead you present lots of proven false ideas. For example we don't build immunity to certain diseases- Ebola and MERS as recent examples - because they are too deadly.
As a treatment for severe covid symptoms oxygen and intubation are very effective, and so is proning, not necessarily drug intervention.
Your conspiracy theories are what drives greater concern and relies on the gullible accepting your baseless views.

The prone thing is interesting remember reading an article written by lady in the US both her and her husband (vets or some thing similar) had COVID, hospital space was limited so they got their own O2, O2 monitor, by using the prone position they could see the increase in O2, both survived but did get very ill.

 

[sptrawler]

My worry is ,jabbed or not, does it and worse will it even make a difference in lockdowns?
As long as we stupidly stick to elimination,if an infected animal or illegal entry comes from png or jump from a plan,we will be in lock down again.
The big mistake of Morisson was the narrative going from smooth the curve to elimination.how can we change the narrative with 38% of citizens now thinking they might die of covid-19.
Look at Sweden now...clear who was right

IMO it is getting to the point where it will be get a vaccination, and possibly have less severe symptoms, or don't get the vaccination and take your chances.
I think there will be a line drawn in the sand, the Premiers do exactly as they wish with regard lockdowns, then ask the Feds to prop up the financial impact.
Then the Feds get slammed for anything that doesn't go right, my guess is the Feds will say, now we have AZ and Phizer, take the shot or take your chances.
When they couldn't get hold of Phizer, it wasn't an option, now supply is increasing I think a different tack will be taken.
I still know many who are just saying, "sod it I'm not having it", so obviously no amount of encouragement is going to change that.
Therefore do we have the Premiers shutting down the States at every outbreak and the feds have to crank up the money printing, or do we head toward learning to live with it?
This shutting down the Sydney construction has brought it to a head IMO, in W.A the mining kept everything going, so the effect in W.A was minimal.
In NSW construction is a massive employer, that will cause some severe financial stress, high payed workers with big loans getting stood down will have a backlash.
Just my opinion.

 

[basilio]

COVID is taking it's toll in Sydney . It;s not just older people falling sick and dying.

Woman in her 30s dies, teen in intensive care as young people face 'higher risk'

A Nobel Prize-winning immunity and infection expert warns there is a "considerable risk" from the Delta variant of COVID-19 to young people after the death of a Sydney woman in her 30s.

www.abc.net.au