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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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pozindustrial said:
Are you safe after vaccination and can everything return to normal then?
Not likely on both accounts because 60% of present hospital cases in UK are double vaccinated!
www.vanguardngr.com

60% of people admitted to UK hospitals with COVID-19 are double-jabbed

Sixty percent of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine, according to the British government's chief scientific adviser
www.vanguardngr.com www.vanguardngr.com
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The cheer squad for misinformation latch onto rubbish.
Those over 50 years old in the UK and unvaccinated are 12 times more likely to be hospitalised.
The claim in the linked article was corrected afterwards, so you need to use data.
The graphic below shows how vaccination rates impact hospitalisations:
 
wayneL said:
The plot thickens

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Agreed. That guy Fauci is a crook, a liar, a political scientist who funded the Wuhan gain-of-function virus research, has interests in vaccines and is compromised as an advisor on how to manage the outbreak. But the world health authorities listen to him because he is the head of the Centre for Disease Control. It is because of people like him in top positions that we are in this mess. He disregarded all successful treatments of CoVid patients that were put to him by doctors and pushed the vaccines as the only answer even though they were not available.
 
pozindustrial said:
Agreed. That guy Fauci is a crook, a liar, a political scientist who funded the Wuhan gain-of-function virus research, has interests in vaccines and is compromised as an advisor on how to manage the outbreak. But the world health authorities listen to him because he is the head of the Centre for Disease Control. It is because of people like him in top positions that we are in this mess. He disregarded all successful treatments of CoVid patients that were put to him by doctors and pushed the vaccines as the only answer even though they were not available.
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What successful treatments are you talking about?

Why I ask is that doctors treating COVID are not bound by what Fauci says or WHO.

Doctors work day and night to save lives, they all want one thing thats to save lives, one of the successes has been the readily avail information of treatments world wide particularly in Australia where treating hospitals were linked very early on to share treatment strategies that worked.

Haven't looked lately but Australia was at one stage was leading the world on survival rates (all be it a small sample by some of the larger out breaks).

Survival rates now appear to be a function of hospital resources.

Not to say there are better treatments coming, currently any silver bullet would be used in an instant if it existed.
 
pozindustrial said:
Agreed. That guy Fauci is a crook, a liar, a political scientist who funded the Wuhan gain-of-function virus research, has interests in vaccines and is compromised as an advisor on how to manage the outbreak. But the world health authorities listen to him because he is the head of the Centre for Disease Control. It is because of people like him in top positions that we are in this mess. He disregarded all successful treatments of CoVid patients that were put to him by doctors and pushed the vaccines as the only answer even though they were not available.
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Dr Fauci has a global reputation for his expertise in medical science fields and Rand Paul does not.
He's never in his life been so fired up as he was in responding to the incompetent Rand Paul:


Covid does not have a cure.
Some treatments work better than others on some patients and that's about the size of it ATM.
 
IFocus said:
What successful treatments are you talking about?

Why I ask is that doctors treating COVID are not bound by what Fauci says or WHO.

Doctors work day and night to save lives, they all want one thing thats to save lives, one of the successes has been the readily avail information of treatments world wide particularly in Australia where treating hospitals were linked very early on to share treatment strategies that worked.

Haven't looked lately but Australia was at one stage was leading the world on survival rates (all be it a small sample by some of the larger out breaks).

Survival rates now appear to be a function of hospital resources.

Not to say there are better treatments coming, currently any silver bullet would be used in an instant if it existed.
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I respect those doctors and institutions which is why I was alarmed that in other countries they found that hydroxychloroquine plus zinc and an antibiotic and later Ivermectin greatly reduced deaths and hospital stays and Fauci said he would only believe it with a double blind placebo control trial ( which takes years) so he not only ignored the doctors but he failed to apply the same test to vaccines and then the doctors were banned from access to those lifesaving drugs??? Heavy penalties were applied to stop other doctors from even considering them. All under the guise of good science. The poor doctors were trying to protect themselves as much as their patients. I posted a video of the USA doctors on Facebook early last year where they were pleading with authorities to listen and it was taken down not once but four times. I thought I would be helping, but big brother had ideas.
 
pozindustrial said:
I respect those doctors and institutions which is why I was alarmed that in other countries they found that hydroxychloroquine plus zinc and an antibiotic and later Ivermectin greatly reduced deaths and hospital stays and Fauci said he would only believe it with a double blind placebo control trial ( which takes years) so he not only ignored the doctors but he failed to apply the same test to vaccines and then the doctors were banned from access to those lifesaving drugs??? Heavy penalties were applied to stop other doctors from even considering them. All under the guise of good science. The poor doctors were trying to protect themselves as much as their patients. I posted a video of the USA doctors on Facebook early last year where they were pleading with authorities to listen and it was taken down not once but four times. I thought I would be helping, but big brother had ideas.
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You should show the scientific evidence for your claims.
The NIH shows what is recommended and what is not, plus where the jury remains out.
If I were a patient I would trust what has been recommended and not be seeking what has not.
For example, the use of HCQ has no proven benefit, but well documented downsides.
 
pozindustrial said:
Are you safe after vaccination and can everything return to normal then?
Not likely on both accounts because 60% of present hospital cases in UK are double vaccinated!
www.vanguardngr.com

60% of people admitted to UK hospitals with COVID-19 are double-jabbed

Sixty percent of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine, according to the British government's chief scientific adviser
www.vanguardngr.com www.vanguardngr.com
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I believe this is similar to Israel. People that were vaccinated ignored all covid safety measures thinking they were safe. They then show up as a majority in the statistics. It should come down.
 
rederob said:
Dr Fauci has a global reputation for his expertise in medical science fields and Rand Paul does not.
He's never in his life been so fired up as he was in responding to the incompetent Rand Paul:


Covid does not have a cure.
Some treatments work better than others on some patients and that's about the size of it ATM.
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The NIH was funding gain of function research in Wuhan but NIH pretended it didn’t meet their ‘gain of function’ definition to avoid their own oversight mechanism.

Fauci is telling porkies.
 
pozindustrial said:
I respect those doctors and institutions which is why I was alarmed that in other countries they found that hydroxychloroquine plus zinc and an antibiotic and later Ivermectin greatly reduced deaths and hospital stays
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This could be the case but I would back Australian medical expertise on COVID any day of the week and currently I am not aware of COVID hospitals using this regime, I think they have long moved on to better treatments.

Think I took hydroxychloroquine in the 80's knocked the crap out of me if I remember rightly would rather the vax.
 
moXJO said:
The NIH was funding gain of function research in Wuhan but NIH pretended it didn’t meet their ‘gain of function’ definition to avoid their own oversight mechanism.

Fauci is telling porkies.
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Fauci was trying to explain the technical difference between gain of function research, and research that investigated the mechanisms for virus transfer to humans.
Gain of function here refers specifically to research that improves the ability of a pathogen to cause disease. NIH funding of WIV research however was not about enhancement of a virus but, instead, related to what changes were necessary for a virus to be able to infect human cells.
A good analogy would be be fitting a transverse engine into a Holden's longitudinal engine compartment by moving some of the engine's peripherals such as battery, alternator, air filter, etc.. The engine functions exactly as before, but it's a different car.
I hope that is clear.
 
i disagree to me 'gain of function' is trying to make the organism BETTER in a desired direction .. say more lethal , or spreads more easily , those two NORMALLY have opposite outcomes ( if lots of infected die it doesn't spread well , without extra help )

think of it as 'breedinging racehorses , you can breed them stronger , or faster , or with more stamina , but it is very hard to breed all three in the same package and not have it die from a heart attack in it's prime ( and the BIG money is when it breeds )

now another question is it the virus spreads very easily BUT hardly causes a cough in 95% of the infected , has it been 'defanged' , say compared to the original SARS , one MIGHT argue this virus is the vaccine to SARS , and the real problem is opporunistic fear

but of course that narrative can't come out because powerful people are shovelling money into their own pockets ( and theyy can shut down intelligent discussion
 
It depends if you redefine what 'gain of function' is I suppose. There's a lot of stuff out there.




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I'm not saying Dr Fauci was responsible for covid. Or that ' gain of function' is evil. It can be very dangerous, but it can also bring advances in the science.

But it can be very dangerous.
 
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