Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[pozindustrial]

Yeah, I hear you, but I have been active keeping my immune system in pretty good order plus I have my ultimate weapon, so I am not concerned at all. Talk about strengthening your immunity with Vit D, Zinc, Vit C and other products has also been actively censored since Covid. It seems that anything that will help other than a vaccine has been censored and demonized.

I did a post some time back on one of the forums about micropulsing so I will mention it here again. I will probably get responses of snake-oil etc. from people too lazy to find out, but I don't sell them and have no financial interest, just a personal one because it works like magic.

Anyone who reads all of the material on www.bobbeck.com will see that this is genuine. He was a brilliant physicist who was not interested in making money from his devices, they were purely to help people with health problems and he gave all the instructions away so any private individual or company could make them. The micropulser takes two hours to remove any virus I get and I have used it for years.

Here is a typical scenario. I feel fine on waking, little physical things stop working properly during the day, like stiff muscles, normally I have a sneeze which is repeated later in the day, then I wonder what physical exercise I overdid the previous day to make my muscles so sore. Eventually as the soreness takes over my whole back and I get a sore throat or sneeze more I realize that I am coming down fast with a virus or other sickness. Then I use the micropulser on my wrist and leave it there for two hours. After that I usually feel 95% fixed. The pathogen has been overtaken by my immune system and the symptoms have almost disappeared. It is that fast.

If I wait too long or the virus is a particularly strong one I might keep it on for three or four hours. The next day I feel perfect, but I learned years ago that if I did not use the micropulser for two hours a day for the next three days the virus would return, so I do that. I have done this six or seven times over the last five years. While the rest of the house or my family come down one after the other with the offending sickness I do not. My wife now uses it too whenever it appears that some sickness is taking over.

It works because all pathogens including viruses are apparently the same type of fast-multiplying organisms which are completely different to our cells. The tiny microcurrent from the micropulser is enough to turn off the reproductive enzyme layer on the pathogens without having any affect on human cells so they fail to multipy and the body removes them normally. The original research explained all that.

It was based on research from US Patent #5,188,738 and Bob Beck designed a completely different approach to get the same result.

 

[IFocus]

It's interesting that 60% of covid hospitalisations of the over 60s in Israel were vaccinated. It did greatly reduce the seriousness of the symptoms with only 1 in ICU. Figures were called into question. But it seems like they are right.

But this is still going to throw a spanner in the works. 90% (over 60s) were vaccinated. So people are still getting sick and transmission hasn't stopped. How is our media and twitter wanks going to cope?
And will this mean lockdowns will stay?

The vax rates are still no where near 80% to 90% for total population plus higher contagious variants are causing problems yet populations like UK etc are opening, there has been a major difference in numbers between vaccinated and unvaccinated being admitted to hospital.

In the US you have Fox giving the anti vax vibe (Murdoch is vaccinated) its going to be really messy.

 

[moXJO]

The vax rates are still no where near 80% to 90% for total population plus higher contagious variants are causing problems yet populations like UK etc are opening, there has been a major difference in numbers between vaccinated and unvaccinated being admitted to hospital.

In the US you have Fox giving the anti vax vibe (Murdoch is vaccinated) its going to be really messy.

90% of 60yo+ were vaxed and they were 60% of hospitalisation. That was Israel. It's the fact it still presents a problem. I'm not arguing that vaccinations don't do anything. I'm arguing that it still seems to need lockdowns.

 

[IFocus]

90% of 60yo+ were vaxed and they were 60% of hospitalisation. That was Israel. It's the fact it still presents a problem. I'm not arguing that vaccinations don't do anything. I'm arguing that it still seems to need lockdowns.

Lucky this thing doesn't take the kids like most pandemics.

 

[moXJO]

Lucky this thing doesn't take the kids like most pandemics.

Well that's just it. Pretty sure a % of younger people were getting it. Either way it doesn't matter. Vaccination reduces serious symptoms for now. And we are at a point where its just easier to vaccinate as a reduction strategy.

 

[Belli]

Talk about strengthening your immunity with Vit D, Zinc, Vit C and other products has also been actively censored since Covid

No it hasn't.

Do vitamin D, zinc, and other supplements help prevent COVID-19 or hasten healing? - Harvard Health

Certain vitamins and supplements have long been promoted as having benefits for the immune system, which has led some to believe they may have similar effects on COVID-19 — and some do...

www.health.harvard.edu

 

[bellenuit]

90% of 60yo+ were vaxed and they were 60% of hospitalisation.

Although at first glance that doesn't seem like a good outcome, remember statistically the population size producing the 60% hospitalisations is 9 times the size of that producing the 40% hospitalisations. My rough calculation is that an unvaccinated 60yo+ is 6 times more likely to be hospitalised than a vaccinated 60yo+, based on those figures.

 

[pozindustrial]

No it hasn't.

Do vitamin D, zinc, and other supplements help prevent COVID-19 or hasten healing? - Harvard Health

Certain vitamins and supplements have long been promoted as having benefits for the immune system, which has led some to believe they may have similar effects on COVID-19 — and some do...

www.health.harvard.edu

Haha, that is what I am talking about. More coulds and mays in that article than I have ever seen in one place before and all connected to ‘possible’ dangers, but a definite recommendation for CDC advice! Spot on propaganda article.

And nobody who wants to improve their immunity waits until they have the disease. The article says taking those supplements when someone has the disease was not beneficial - duh. You have to take those kind of things long before to have any affect. It is your immune system that protects you, not the supplements.

 

[sptrawler]

My rough calculation is that an unvaccinated 60yo+ is 6 times more likely to be hospitalised than a vaccinated 60yo+, based on those figures.

Which seems to be what moXJO is alluding to, with this post.

Vaccination reduces serious symptoms for now. And we are at a point where its just easier to vaccinate as a reduction strategy.

 

[Belli]

Talk about strengthening your immunity with Vit D, Zinc, Vit C and other products has also been actively censored since Covid

No it hasn't.

Haha, that is what I am talking about. More coulds and mays in that article than I have ever seen in one place before and all connected to ‘possible’ dangers, but a definite recommendation for CDC advice! Spot on propaganda article.

And nobody who wants to improve their immunity waits until they have the disease. The article says taking those supplements when someone has the disease was not beneficial - duh. You have to take those kind of things long before to have any affect. It is your immune system that protects you, not the supplements.

Your statement was "Talk about strengthening your immunity with Vit D, Zinc, Vit C and other products has also been actively censored since Covid".

I posted a link in response to that so you now shift your argument.

So here is another for you regarding your false claim.

Here’s what we know about using supplements to fight COVID-19 | Science News

Unless you’re deficient, there’s little evidence yet for taking Vitamin D and other supplements to treat or prevent a coronavirus infection.

www.sciencenews.org

 

[pozindustrial]

No it hasn't.


Your statement was "Talk about strengthening your immunity with Vit D, Zinc, Vit C and other products has also been actively censored since Covid".

I posted a link in response to that so you now shift your argument.

So here is another for you regarding your false claim.

Here’s what we know about using supplements to fight COVID-19 | Science News

Unless you’re deficient, there’s little evidence yet for taking Vitamin D and other supplements to treat or prevent a coronavirus infection.

www.sciencenews.org

Some posts that talked about how the supplements could help were censored and the above two articles are focused on the opinion that supplements will not help.
A short time before China got on top of the outbreak in Wuhan they trucked in 50 tonnes of intravenous Vitamin C. I cannot find the articles now even though the Melbourne Herald Sun published it online.

just found a link http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n13.shtml

It is cheaper than hospitalising patients for many days and here is a link to it saving a swine flu patient in NZ. But that is very different to supplementing to help build your immunity.

 

[IFocus]

Some posts that talked about how the supplements could help were censored and the above two articles are focused on the opinion that supplements will not help.
A short time before China got on top of the outbreak in Wuhan they trucked in 50 tonnes of intravenous Vitamin C. I cannot find the articles now even though the Melbourne Herald Sun published it online.

just found a link http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n13.shtml

It is cheaper than hospitalising patients for many days and here is a link to it saving a swine flu patient in NZ. But that is very different to supplementing to help build your immunity.

Asked the daughter (Dietician) about this, supplements generally are just expensive urine, "bio availability" I believe was the term if you have a deficit then you might take it up depending on a multitude of issues if you don't need it it becomes urine.

 

[moXJO]

Although at first glance that doesn't seem like a good outcome, remember statistically the population size producing the 60% hospitalisations is 9 times the size of that producing the 40% hospitalisations. My rough calculation is that an unvaccinated 60yo+ is 6 times more likely to be hospitalised than a vaccinated 60yo+, based on those figures.

I think they worked it out to being careless once they were vaccinated. My main concern is lockdowns will be the go to.

 

[basilio]

This is a sports minded way of looking at the Stae and National approach to tackling COVID . Clever.

With NSW’s pandemic strategy in tatters, Australians are piling on the state they love to hate​

Peter Lewis

The rest of the country is reeling from the fallout of the Delta outbreak. We need a fresh national game plan based on safety and trust

Tue 20 Jul 2021 11.12 AEST
Last modified on Tue 20 Jul 2021 13.52 AEST


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After a sparkling series of victories, New South Wales has come crashing back to reality with a performance dripping in complacency and overreach. And that was just in the rugby league.

As the state of origin of a Covid outbreak that has sent half the nation into lockdown and shut state borders, the Premier State is now well out of pandemic premiership contention, fracturing what remained of the national consensus and creating fresh headaches for the prime minister.

Deploying all the subtlety of a Maroons front-rower, Queensland’s Annastacia Palaszczuk has dubbed the latest outbreak “the Sydney strain”, while returning Victorian custodian Dan Andrews has taken vindication in his own defensive style while calling out match officials for their double standards.

With NSW’s pandemic strategy in tatters, Australians are piling on the state they love to hate | Peter Lewis

The rest of the country is reeling from the fallout of the Delta outbreak. We need a fresh national game plan based on safety and trust

www.theguardian.com

 

[sptrawler]

This to me, is what causes people to become cynical IMO.

‘We’re getting blamed for everything’: Aged care worker frustrated over vaccine rollout

Aged care worker Suzana says she had to organise her own COVID-19 vaccination and the soonest she could book was late August.

www.abc.net.au

A union delegate having trouble getting vaccinated, is it because she couldn't get it earlier, or didn't want it earlier.
It would be nice if the article supplied the information, as to when Suzana first applied for the vaccine.

It is appalling IMO, that the media plays political football with peoples lives, just to get the headline they want, one day it will come down to a decision between the media or democracy IMO.
People will have to decide whether the politicians have the publics best interest at heart, or the media does.
Also I think that day is fast approaching.

 

[qldfrog]

Although at first glance that doesn't seem like a good outcome, remember statistically the population size producing the 60% hospitalisations is 9 times the size of that producing the 40% hospitalisations. My rough calculation is that an unvaccinated 60yo+ is 6 times more likely to be hospitalised than a vaccinated 60yo+, based on those figures.

Would be interesting to get the figures on a virgin population..aka Australia.
In places like Europe,i have the feeling a huge % of the population has already caught it in the past 2y, and the initial "clean-up"...i know..has been done.
With winter still a fair way to go here,we might be able to get some local number.
About vitamin D, most of the elderlies who died in the first waves in France Italy and Spain are a deficient population,as is most of Europe in winter, early spring...
Sun exposure...and diet
That's why Australia is overall better off from the start,more meat fish and far more sun ,add lower density and we are a lucky country

 

[qldfrog]

I think they worked it out to being careless once they were vaccinated. My main concern is lockdowns will be the go to.

Yes,still not considering treating......

 

[qldfrog]

This to me, is what causes people to become cynical IMO.

‘We’re getting blamed for everything’: Aged care worker frustrated over vaccine rollout

Aged care worker Suzana says she had to organise her own COVID-19 vaccination and the soonest she could book was late August.

www.abc.net.au

A union delegate having trouble getting vaccinated, is it because she couldn't get it earlier, or didn't want it earlier.
It would be nice if the article supplied the information, as to when Suzana first applied for the vaccine.

It is appalling IMO, that the media plays political football with peoples lives, just to get the headline they want, one day it will come down to a decision between the media or democracy IMO.
People will have to decide whether the politicians have the publics best interest at heart, or the media does.
Also I think that day is fast approaching.

Am i the only one to be in disbelief about this vaccine avalability?
Here in the sunshine coast,2 weeks ago was it, i called on monday, got a booking on wednesday and got injected then.no queue whatsover in the local immunisation center.
After that, if people do not want to be injected, i understand it,was already not worthwhile at our age.
i believe this vaccine unavailability rant was/is just another blame Morrison from our woke medias and labour state premiers

 

[pozindustrial]

Are you safe after vaccination and can everything return to normal then?
Not likely on both accounts because 60% of present hospital cases in UK are double vaccinated!

60% of people admitted to UK hospitals with COVID-19 are double-jabbed

Sixty percent of people being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine, according to the British government's chief scientific adviser

www.vanguardngr.com

 

[sptrawler]

Am i the only one to be in disbelief about this vaccine avalability?
Here in the sunshine coast,2 weeks ago was it, i called on monday, got a booking on wednesday and got injected then.no queue whatsover in the local immunisation center.
After that, if people do not want to be injected, i understand it,was already not worthwhile at our age.
i believe this vaccine unavailability rant was/is just another blame Morrison from our woke medias and labour state premiers

Same here, went to my local doctors on Thursday, booked in and jabbed the following Tuesday.