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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%
  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%
  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • Total voters
    75
Who is leftist?
Well the leftist minister for education for one.
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The intersection of free speech, mindless COVID denial, and proud defiance..;)
Katie Hopkins in Australia trashing our COVID quarantine rules and the staff in her luxury quarantine hotel.

Katie Hopkins trolls Sydney’s lockdown from hotel quarantine

Outspoken British celebrity Katie Hopkins is in Sydney, where she’s branded lockdown “bulls**t” and is deliberately defying hotel virus rules.

Katie Hopkins, once dubbed “the world’s most hated woman”, is rumoured to have flown into Australia to appear on Big Brother.
The 46-year-old far-right political commentator took to Instagram Live at 5am on Saturday to “call out” the Sydney and Melbourne lockdowns.

The mum-of-three also said she had been deliberately trying to defy hotel quarantine rules during her mandatory 14-day stint by opening her door to workers delivering her food naked.

‘Lockdown is hoax’

Hopkins told followers she wanted to be “very clear” she was able to get into Australia thanks to her career as a “gobby mouth”, stressing it wasn’t a method “anyone else can follow

...She went on to say that since the start of the pandemic she has always claimed “lockdown is and will always remain the greatest hoax in human history”.

‘Frighten the s**t out of the workers’

She also stated that completing mandatory quarantine was her way of “calling out” lockdown – admitting she had deliberately been flouting rules issued to her by Federal Police when escorted to the hotel.

“I’ve been told when they bring three meals a day to the door... I have to wait 30 seconds before opening the door,” she said.

“And then I can open the door but only with a face mask.”

Instead, she has said she has been “lying in wait” in the bathroom naked, sprinting to the door to “frighten the s**t out of them [the workers] and do it naked with no face mask”.

During her lengthy video that lasted almost 30 minutes, Katie also admitted she had been standing naked at her 28th floor window in a bid to flash the office workers, but there were none.


Absolutely priceless. Now in the good old days (?) if we had principled Ministers upholding public health at time of crisis the response would be simple and swift.

Bye Bye Ms Hopkins. Your on the next plane back to UK. We'll send you the tab (and we will follow it up) and don't bother trying to come back to Australia for the next 5 years.

And that would be getting off lightly. Really if some local yobbo pulled those sort of stunts they be in jail for a few months plus fines.

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On second thoughts a plane flight back would be too good for her. I think a berth on a slow tramp steamer back to UK would give her a better opportunity to reflect on the situation.
 
Intriguing story on the origins of the hundreds anti vaxxer/COVID is a hoax/world reset memes that swirl around the net.

It seems that the majority of of these stories have come from just 12 people and then been spread across the millions of people who follow them. Check out the story and in particular the report on which it is based. At the end the authors highlight some of the lies and misinformation that is routinely promoted through the media platforms of these people.

Majority of Covid misinformation came from 12 people, report finds

CCDH finds ‘disinformation dozen’ have combined following of 59 million people across multiple social media platforms

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On Facebook alone, the dozen are responsible for 73% of all anti-vaccine content, though the vaccines have been deemed safe and effective by the US government and its regulatory agencies. Photograph: Science Photo Library/Alamy Stock Photo

Erum Salam
Sun 18 Jul 2021 04.34 AEST
Last modified on Sun 18 Jul 2021 04.36 AEST

The vast majority of Covid-19 anti-vaccine misinformation and conspiracy theories originated from just 12 people, a report by the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) cited by the White House this week found.

CCDH, a UK/US non-profit and non-governmental organization, found in March that these 12 online personalities they dubbed the “disinformation dozen” have a combined following of 59 million people across multiple social media platforms, with Facebook having the largest impact. CCDH analyzed 812,000 Facebook posts and tweets and found 65% came from the disinformation dozen. Vivek Murthy, US surgeon general, and Joe Biden focused on misinformation around vaccines this week as a driving force of the virus spreading.

On Facebook alone, the dozen are responsible for 73% of all anti-vaccine content, though the vaccines have been deemed safe and effective by the US government and its regulatory agencies. And 95% of the Covid misinformation reported on these platforms were not removed.

 
Looks like a 'disinformation' campaign all of its own.

It disregards the hundreds of scientists, doctors, researchers etc. that are the real source of the information and that this 'dirty dozen' are only bringing that information forward because the media refuses to.
 
Looks like a 'disinformation' campaign all of its own.

It disregards the hundreds of scientists, doctors, researchers etc. that are the real source of the information and that this 'dirty dozen' are only bringing that information forward because the media refuses to.
The medical science in unequivocal, and your ideas are reprehensible.
Sadly it is your ilk that is now leading to tens of thousands of people each day unnecessarily catching and spreading covid due to wilful ignorance.
 
Intriguing story on the origins of the hundreds anti vaxxer/COVID is a hoax/world reset memes that swirl around the net.

It seems that the majority of of these stories have come from just 12 people and then been spread across the millions of people who follow them. Check out the story and in particular the report on which it is based. At the end the authors highlight some of the lies and misinformation that is routinely promoted through the media platforms of these people.

Majority of Covid misinformation came from 12 people, report finds

CCDH finds ‘disinformation dozen’ have combined following of 59 million people across multiple social media platforms

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On Facebook alone, the dozen are responsible for 73% of all anti-vaccine content, though the vaccines have been deemed safe and effective by the US government and its regulatory agencies. Photograph: Science Photo Library/Alamy Stock Photo

Erum Salam
Sun 18 Jul 2021 04.34 AEST
Last modified on Sun 18 Jul 2021 04.36 AEST

The vast majority of Covid-19 anti-vaccine misinformation and conspiracy theories originated from just 12 people, a report by the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) cited by the White House this week found.

CCDH, a UK/US non-profit and non-governmental organization, found in March that these 12 online personalities they dubbed the “disinformation dozen” have a combined following of 59 million people across multiple social media platforms, with Facebook having the largest impact. CCDH analyzed 812,000 Facebook posts and tweets and found 65% came from the disinformation dozen. Vivek Murthy, US surgeon general, and Joe Biden focused on misinformation around vaccines this week as a driving force of the virus spreading.

On Facebook alone, the dozen are responsible for 73% of all anti-vaccine content, though the vaccines have been deemed safe and effective by the US government and its regulatory agencies. And 95% of the Covid misinformation reported on these platforms were not removed.

Pffftt. The CCDH is who again:roflmao:
Oh an ex labour minister.

Anti vax stuff has been around for years. Head up the central coast and you will find out we have a very large community for a number of years. Even round Katoomba.

I've had Clive Palmer dropping anti-vaccine stuff in my letterbox
This seems to be a way to silence what they don't like on a platform.

As far as I was aware, the vaccine has not been tested fully as other vaccines were. A critical eye should always be placed on pharmaceutical companies.

The Guardian is trash.
 
As far as I was aware, the vaccine has not been tested fully as other vaccines were. A critical eye should always be placed on pharmaceutical companies.

The Guardian is trash.

The flu vac is tested on 10K, most just front up no questions? COVID vacs were tested on 30K + and now you could say billions.

Data is freely available in large amounts re problems, extraordinarily transparent considering all the accusations.

Not saying questions should not be asked and there are no problems , note every vacs ever made has issues (Guillain-Barré syndrome very common) every single one of them but so far haven't seen Armageddon due to COVID vaccines.
 
Pffftt. The CCDH is who again:roflmao:
Oh an ex labour minister.

Anti vax stuff has been around for years. Head up the central coast and you will find out we have a very large community for a number of years. Even round Katoomba.

I've had Clive Palmer dropping anti-vaccine stuff in my letterbox
This seems to be a way to silence what they don't like on a platform.

As far as I was aware, the vaccine has not been tested fully as other vaccines were. A critical eye should always be placed on pharmaceutical companies.

The Guardian is trash.

The problem is not the CCDH analysis of what is happening on the net around COVID and vaccination information.

It's not about The Guardian or indeed any other media reporting the research.

It's not about President Biden using that information to hold Facebook to account for allowing it to be used to promote relentless, dangerous lies about COVID and vaccination.

The problem is that because of these relentless lies started, spread and then believed by millions of people delta COVID is now way out of control. Making that far worse is peoples refusal to acknowledge this is a dangerous disease and get vaccinated to protect themselves and others.
 
The intersection of free speech, mindless COVID denial, and proud defiance..;)
Katie Hopkins in Australia trashing our COVID quarantine rules and the staff in her luxury quarantine hotel.

Katie Hopkins trolls Sydney’s lockdown from hotel quarantine

Outspoken British celebrity Katie Hopkins is in Sydney, where she’s branded lockdown “bulls**t” and is deliberately defying hotel virus rules.

Katie Hopkins, once dubbed “the world’s most hated woman”, is rumoured to have flown into Australia to appear on Big Brother.
The 46-year-old far-right political commentator took to Instagram Live at 5am on Saturday to “call out” the Sydney and Melbourne lockdowns.

The mum-of-three also said she had been deliberately trying to defy hotel quarantine rules during her mandatory 14-day stint by opening her door to workers delivering her food naked.

‘Lockdown is hoax’

Hopkins told followers she wanted to be “very clear” she was able to get into Australia thanks to her career as a “gobby mouth”, stressing it wasn’t a method “anyone else can follow

...She went on to say that since the start of the pandemic she has always claimed “lockdown is and will always remain the greatest hoax in human history”.

‘Frighten the s**t out of the workers’

She also stated that completing mandatory quarantine was her way of “calling out” lockdown – admitting she had deliberately been flouting rules issued to her by Federal Police when escorted to the hotel.

“I’ve been told when they bring three meals a day to the door... I have to wait 30 seconds before opening the door,” she said.

“And then I can open the door but only with a face mask.”

Instead, she has said she has been “lying in wait” in the bathroom naked, sprinting to the door to “frighten the s**t out of them [the workers] and do it naked with no face mask”.

During her lengthy video that lasted almost 30 minutes, Katie also admitted she had been standing naked at her 28th floor window in a bid to flash the office workers, but there were none.


Absolutely priceless. Now in the good old days (?) if we had principled Ministers upholding public health at time of crisis the response would be simple and swift.

Bye Bye Ms Hopkins. Your on the next plane back to UK. We'll send you the tab (and we will follow it up) and don't bother trying to come back to Australia for the next 5 years.

And that would be getting off lightly. Really if some local yobbo pulled those sort of stunts they be in jail for a few months plus fines.

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On second thoughts a plane flight back would be too good for her. I think a berth on a slow tramp steamer back to UK would give her a better opportunity to reflect on the situation.

Well that seems to have been a bridge too far for Katie Hopkins the proud troll bearer of COVID denial. :cautious: Talk about burning down the house.

Seems as if not even the most conservative of our politicians could support the poisonous dribble she was spewing and the rabid behavior towards hotel staff in her quarantine centre.

Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce made it clear that if Ms Hopkins broke the rules of hotel quarantine he would not be fazed in kicking her out of the country.

“I‘m the one who wanted to send home Johnny Depp’s dog so I have no problem sending home someone who wants to flout our laws. If you want to do that, pack your bongo and get out of the country,” he told the ABC.


 
This study from 2005 gone viral all over Tw@tter... Interesting eh?


Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread
Martin J Vincent, Eric Bergeron, [...], and Stuart T Nichol

Additional article information

Abstract
Background
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available.

Results
We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV at clinically admissible concentrations.

Conclusion
Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.
 
The flu vac is tested on 10K, most just front up no questions? COVID vacs were tested on 30K + and now you could say billions.

Data is freely available in large amounts re problems, extraordinarily transparent considering all the accusations.

Not saying questions should not be asked and there are no problems , note every vacs ever made has issues (Guillain-Barré syndrome very common) every single one of them but so far haven't seen Armageddon due to COVID vaccines.
They are not FDA approved for a reason. And that's because they require a lot more data then they have so far received.

Real world usage as a study needs a lot more people involved, skews the placebo group, I think they have to study effects for about 1-2 years. And a whole heap more before approval. So yes you are basically guinea pigs.

In saying that the vaccine has been both effective and remarkably safe all things considered.
 
The problem is not the CCDH analysis of what is happening on the net around COVID and vaccination information.

It's not about The Guardian or indeed any other media reporting the research.

It's not about President Biden using that information to hold Facebook to account for allowing it to be used to promote relentless, dangerous lies about COVID and vaccination.

The problem is that because of these relentless lies started, spread and then believed by millions of people delta COVID is now way out of control. Making that far worse is peoples refusal to acknowledge this is a dangerous disease and get vaccinated to protect themselves and others.
The problem is the government using it as an excuse to restrict. I'm not talking about the loony bin stuff. But the reasonable dissent.
 
This study from 2005 gone viral all over Tw@tter... Interesting eh?


Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread
Martin J Vincent, Eric Bergeron, [...], and Stuart T Nichol

Additional article information

Abstract
Background
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available.

Results
We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV at clinically admissible concentrations.

Conclusion
Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.

Maybe.. Until you check out what medical science said about the differences of COVID 19 to SARS and why in fact it doesn't work.


 
The problem is the government using it as an excuse to restrict. I'm not talking about the loony bin stuff. But the reasonable dissent.

Really ? That's your beef ? You don't actually agree with all the "loony bin" stuff being spewed out about COVID ? I also gathered, I think, that you recognised the vaccines are essential if we are going to get on top of this rapidly evolving nightmare.

So why on earth did you trash the CCDH analysis which highlighted the "loony bin" stuff that was being ruthlessly pumped out by the the "loonies" ? Was it just another reflex kick because I raised it and quoted The Guardian as the reporting source ?

This analysis has been around since March. It has been widely reported. I noted that you never actually critiqued the report. You just trashed The Guardian and a person who was part of the group.

Just 12 People Are Behind Most Vaccine Hoaxes On Social ...

https://www.npr.org › 2021/05/13 › disinformation-dozen...

13 May 2021 — The majority of false claims about COVID-19 vaccines on social media trace back to just a handful of influential figures.
Anatomy Of A COVID-19... · ‎For Some Anti-Vaccine... · ‎Vaccine Misinformation

The Disinformation Dozen: The 12 people responsible for ...

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com › the-disinform...


14 May 2021 — Twelve people are responsible for 65 percent of anti-vaccine misinformation on social media, according to a recent study conducted by the ...

Covid vaccine: Social media urged to remove 'disinfo dozen ...
https://www.bbc.com › news › technology-56536390
26 Mar 2021 — Twelve people who spread the majority of vaccine disinformation should be removed, US lawmaker says.

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So exactly what is "reasonable dissent" anyway ? :cautious:

And when do we get to actually confront "the loonies" whether they be the Ex President of the US or imported troll haters from the UK who call the virus a hoax, the vaccine an attempt to inject tracers into us and various other nonsense?


 
Really ? That's your beef ? You don't actually agree with all the "loony bin" stuff being spewed out about COVID ? I also gathered, I think, that you recognised the vaccines are essential if we are going to get on top of this rapidly evolving nightmare.

So why on earth did you trash the CCDH analysis which highlighted the "loony bin" stuff that was being ruthlessly pumped out by the the "loonies" ? Was it just another reflex kick because I raised it and quoted The Guardian as the reporting source ?

This analysis has been around since March. It has been widely reported. I noted that you never actually critiqued the report. You just trashed The Guardian and a person who was part of the group.

Just 12 People Are Behind Most Vaccine Hoaxes On Social ...

https://www.npr.org › 2021/05/13 › disinformation-dozen...

13 May 2021 — The majority of false claims about COVID-19 vaccines on social media trace back to just a handful of influential figures.
Anatomy Of A COVID-19... · ‎For Some Anti-Vaccine... · ‎Vaccine Misinformation

The Disinformation Dozen: The 12 people responsible for ...

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com › the-disinform...


14 May 2021 — Twelve people are responsible for 65 percent of anti-vaccine misinformation on social media, according to a recent study conducted by the ...

Covid vaccine: Social media urged to remove 'disinfo dozen ...
https://www.bbc.com › news › technology-56536390
26 Mar 2021 — Twelve people who spread the majority of vaccine disinformation should be removed, US lawmaker says.

So exactly what is "reasonable dissent" anyway ? :cautious:

And when do we get to actually confront "the loonies" whether they be the Ex President of the US or imported troll haters from the UK ?

Because it's political. And the nonsense is being pumped out either side. They are tightening honest debate. From what I know covid is having a second wave in the most vaccinated countries which seems odd. I need to check the data as it's basically scrubbed from front page searches.
And ok ban those 12 people. Not rewrite laws.

This disease is treatable, but its ability to overwhelm hospitals is what makes it deadly. Majority of people won't even notice they have it. But it's simply the numbers. There is no proof that it won't mutate in a vaccinated person.

Those that had SARS showed that T-cell immunity worked against the new coronavirus even after 17 years. No reason why this one won't be similar I suppose.

Don't quote me on that. Singapore study I think.
 
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