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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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wayneL said:
Fear fear!
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What are you afraid of Wayne?

That it is clear you don't have to be a geriatric oldies with one foot in the grave to get seriously ill with COVIV?
That a healthy young doctor, in fact any healthy young person, can end up in ICU on a ventilator.
 
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basilio said:
What are you afraid of Wayne?

That it is clear you don't have to be a geriatric oldies with one foot in the grave to get seriously ill with COVIV?
That a healthy young doctor, in fact any healthy young person, can end up in ICU on a ventilator.
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Indeed!

The same could be said of any virus, especially influenza A.

And by the way I was being ironic. I know such subtleties are unclear to you, but I am not worried about covid... In fact I probably may have already had it (untested).
 
basilio said:
What are you afraid of Wayne?

That it is clear you don't have to be a geriatric oldies with one foot in the grave to get seriously ill with COVIV?
That a healthy young doctor, in fact any healthy young person, can end up in ICU on a ventilator.
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I told myself and my other personalities, I would not respond to the crap information that is being presented as fact, but as a fighter for good, I cannot help myself.

So no healthy fit doctor in the past ever became ill?

This is propaganda, the sheepie's as so easily manipulated.

That a healthy young doctor, in fact any healthy young person, can end up in ICU on a ventilator.

This is correct, but no one ever put it in the news for me or the others that I watched die during the time in ICU.
 
DB008 said:
Here is another one for you.

Is Sweden's 2020 mortality rate similar to previous years?

Did Anders Tegnell get it right? By the looks of it, he might have






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Who woulda thought, that the Swedes might use knowledge, research, and intelligence to put in place a pandemic plan that might be effective?

I was always under the belief that the Swedish population wasn't far in the evolution chain of monkeys, crap, brain fart again, that is Australian politicians.
 
Pretty encouraging data out of Sweden and Central Europe, central authorities calling the shots ?

I'm increasing feeling alarmed / sickened with the approach here in Australia , border closures, state against state for political brownie points, did someone say banana republic !!! We have truely gone backwards over the years, we've become a nation of services contract part time casual workers juggling multiple lowly jobs to make ends meet, it's no surprise things went pear shaped in Melbourne !

Pre pandemic I frequently travelled interstate to help and visit a close family member, my correspondence to the health department here for approval to allow me to travel remains unanswered, forget about trying to call, the news that international students will be under consideration for entry left me scratching my head, what a low act of double standards.

It's difficult to see an end in sight, the Europeans seem to be coming out the other side, we seem to be floundering around flipping between lockdowns and easings waiting for a vaccine that may or may not come.
 
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Always interesting to see how statistics can be shaped to support a particular view.
The story from News Ltd on the Swedish death statistics focused on the core issue - that is how many extra people have died in Sweden as a consequence of COVID 19. This is how the reporter saw it and why.
Coronavirus: Sweden has recorded its highest death toll in 150 years
Sweden recorded its highest death toll in 150 years in the first half of 2020, in a count not seen since an infamous famine in 1869.

Sweden recorded its highest death toll in 150 years in the first half of 2020, in a count not seen since an infamous famine in 1869.

The Scandinavian nation, which refused to implement a COVID-19 lockdown, recorded 51,405 deaths between January and June, according to the country’s official statistics office.

That figure is around 6500, or 15 per cent, more than the same time period last year.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coron...s/news-story/086570ad4dc5336e46885fdef15e5fa3
 
Just to add a bit of reality to these Australian experts who by en large have not met much virus wave
https://www.leparisien.fr/societe/sante/ne-pas-faire-de-ce-virus-un-terroriste-16-08-2020-368563.php
In french
The text: is stating
In France, with proper icu, and treatment people do not die from covid anymore, they die with covid and he gives example of a 38kg cancer patients whose life might be shortened by a few days etc
He is working and has worked as a reanimator in Toulouse Hospital
He is real, not fake news and advocates that instead of lockdown etc, we should just make sure we are ready for proper treatment of the few cases requiring hospitalisation

In 1 day ,even frontline witnesses like this will be forgotten again and we will see the usual culprits wondering if we should lock whole area down close more borders all that under a pretense of a new plague, with people acting like scared rabbits in front of a car, with the same amount of logic thinking and brain use
 
qldfrog said:
In France, with proper icu, and treatment people do not die from covid anymore, they die with covid and he gives example of a 38kg cancer patients whose life might be shortened by a few days etc
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Yes, we can all pick single examples to "prove" our point.

Behind the scenes there are a lot of people who have to go into hospital and clog up the wards putting strain on the hospital system and staff , but eventually recover.

If you want a single example of that, BoJo (Boris Johnson) who seems quite ok now but had to spend a month in hospital , some in ICU.

There are a lot more like him.
 
DB008 said:
Here is another one for you.

Is Sweden's 2020 mortality rate similar to previous years?
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No.

On an annualised basis using those figures it's running at 11.5% higher than the average of the previous 10 years and is 9.7% the highest of the previous 10 years.

On an annualised basis that's approximately 10,500 additional deaths. :2twocents
 
cutz said:
I'm increasing feeling alarmed / sickened with the approach here in Australia , border closures, state against state for political brownie points, did someone say banana republic !!! We have truely gone backwards over the years, we've become a nation of services contract part time casual workers juggling multiple lowly jobs to make ends meet, it's no surprise things went pear shaped in Melbourne !
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Yep. That situation is one which pretty much anyone with any sort of technical background (anything from electricity to medicine) has been lamenting for years now. Science and competence is out, failed ideology is in.

The border situation is somewhat ridiculous I agree and there's a few problems:

State borders are, with the obvious exception of Tasmania, a purely artificial political construct. It would be a truly amazing coincidence, up there with being struck by lightning or winning first prize in a major lottery, if those borders just happened to be the best place to put barriers on movement to deal with a pandemic.

Far more sensibly we'd contain the problem based on where the virus has been found and where people actually travel and so on not based on politics as is being done at present.

In SA we've got permanent residents of the state refused any means of returning to their own homes, they can't cross the border, meanwhile there's a plan to bring in foreign students.

There's simply no acceptable explanation for that which doesn't involve money and politics calling the shots.

If quarantine can be done effectively then use it to allow residents to return home after quarantine.

If quarantine can't be done effectively then it's idiotic to be bringing foreign students in.

Reality is exemptions are for, in practice, people with a lot of money. Property developers, executives, football players and so on - not exactly critical things that really require crossing borders.

That sort of silliness and "one rule for the masses, another rule for the elites" will simply burn up public goodwill and lead to the whole thing becoming unenforceable is my expectation. :2twocents
 
SirRumpole said:
Yes, we can all pick single examples to "prove" our point.

Behind the scenes there are a lot of people who have to go into hospital and clog up the wards putting strain on the hospital system and staff , but eventually recover.

If you want a single example of that, BoJo (Boris Johnson) who seems quite ok now but had to spend a month in hospital , some in ICU.

There are a lot more like him.
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It is not me talking but an icu specialist a qualified one which as opposed to anyone in this forum, and even more anyone in Australia has treated cases under the initial wave, and the ongoing cases.
It may not suit the narrative, your views but in your shoes, i would be very interested to learn that you/we have very slim chance to die from the virus if treated properly.
Aka instead of spending billions if not trillion in locking people and smashing the economy, just ensure your teams are ready with proper equipment and bed.
It is not a medical issue but a political one.
In my opinion a very good news item
As for what will be done of this or just facts, with an election coming up, do not expect much sensible measures here in Qld.
As for picking the single case, Boris indeed took a hit but remember when this was.
A lot has progressed in treating people..not a cure but procedures
Significantly better outcome now
Something called experience.
We would be better off sending some teams in Europe to learn from them than locking ourselves in
 
qldfrog said:
It is not me talking but an icu specialist a qualified one which as opposed to anyone in this forum, and even more anyone in Australia has treated cases under the initial wave, and the ongoing cases.
It may not suit the narrative, your views but in your shoes, i would be very interested to learn that you/we have very slim chance to die from the virus if treated properly.
Aka instead of spending billions if not trillion in locking people and smashing the economy, just ensure your teams are ready with proper equipment and bed.
It is not a medical issue but a political one.
In my opinion a very good news item
As for what will be done of this or just facts, with an election coming up, do not expect much sensible measures here in Qld.
As for picking the single case, Boris indeed took a hit but remember when this was.
A lot has progressed in treating people..not a cure but procedures
Significantly better outcome now
Something called experience.
We would be better off sending some teams in Europe to learn from them than locking ourselves in
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Perfectly sensible. Bravo.
 
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