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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%
  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%
  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • Total voters
    75
How Did Sweden Flatten Its Curve Without a Lockdown?

— One expert credits a "good-enough strategy"; others worry that it won't last

Immunity

Experts told MedPage Today there weren't clear data to prove Tegnell's assertion of widespread immunity in Sweden.

Furberg said there is likely "some sort of unspecific immunity that protects parts of the population from contracting COVID-19" but it's not necessarily secondary to SARS-CoV-2 exposure.

For instance, a study by the Karolinska Institute and Karolinska University Hospital recently found that about 30% of people with mild or asymptomatic COVID showed T-cell-mediated immunity to the virus, even though they tested negative for antibodies.

"This figure is [more than] twice as high as the previous antibody tests, meaning that the public immunity to COVID-19 is probably much higher than what antibody studies have suggested," Ding told MedPage Today. "This is of course very good news from a public health perspective, as it shows that people with negative antibody test results could still be immune to the virus at a cellular level."

Indeed, T-cell immunity is coming into focus as a potentially important factor in COVID infection. A paper published in Nature in mid-July found that among 37 healthy people who had no history of either the first or current SARS virus, more than half had T cells that recognized one or more of the SARS-CoV-2 proteins.

Another 36 people who had mild-to-severe COVID-19 were all found to have T-cell responses to several SARS-CoV-2 proteins, and another 23 people who had SARS-CoV-1 (the virus responsible for the SARS outbreak in 2003) all had lasting memory T cells -- even 17 years later -- that also recognized parts of SARS-CoV-2.

It could be that T cell immunity is the result of a previous infection with common cold coronaviruses, but this hasn't yet been established; nor is it certain that T cell immunity is driving Sweden's decline in COVID cases.​


More on link below...

 
Indeed, T-cell immunity is coming into focus as a potentially important factor in COVID infection. A paper published in Nature in mid-July found that among 37 healthy people who had no history of either the first or current SARS virus, more than half had T cells that recognized one or more of the SARS-CoV-2 proteins.
Great hightlight, I wonder why I think humans are f--kd, who would of thought that T Cells and testing might be important, really, these are the brightest minds we have to fight this.

T cells (also called T lymphocytes) are one of the major components of the adaptive immune system. Their roles include directly killing infected host cells, activating other immune cells, producing cytokines and regulating the immune response.

Ah those little f---kers, helping us defend our bodies against viruses.

What is more interesting is :
A T cell is a type of lymphocyte, which develops in the thymus gland (hence the name) and plays a central role in the immune response. T cells can be distinguished from other lymphocytes by the presence of a T-cell receptor on the cell surface.

Crap, I am screwed, they removed my thymus gland, 18 hours of surgery, but it is gone, well that was 28 years ago.

Just go to show, need to research and understand the complexity of existing.


 
That was interesting but just so everyone knows who Rair are

RAIR FOUNDATION USA
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Founders: Amy Mekelburg, Anni Cyrus
President: Chris Gaubatz

The RAIR Foundation USA was created in May 2016 by Amy Jane Mekelburg, a far-right internet troll who had gained notoriety as a prolific espouser of Islamophobic hatred on Twitter.

Mekelburg reached out to Anni Cyrus, a host on the Islamophobic ‘Glazov Gang’ YouTube channel, to assist in the creation of RAIR. Chris Gaubatz, former Vice President of the Islamophobic consultation group, Understanding the Threat (UTT), until April 2018, was revealed to be RAIR’s President following an advertisement for a “National Security Briefing” event on 4 June 2018 featuring him in Cincinnati, hosted by ACT for America’s Southwest Ohio chapter. Gaubatz is the son of Paul David Gaubatz, co-author of Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America (2009), which drew on Chris’s infiltration of the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in 2007.

As of October 2018 RAIR’s website has reverted to a page inviting visitors to sign-up, however, prior to this people could submit photos and contact information of those they believed were “accomplices” to jihadi terrorists.
 
but just so everyone knows who Rair are

She didn't in any way try to question his conclusion. What difference does it make if all the deaths he autopsied had some other causal issue. It was COVID-19 that was the key factor. We know death rates are up substantially in most countries compared to the average (a good measure of whether COVID-19 can be lethal or not). Older people living in countries like Germany where many people smoke and drink heavily are likely to have pre-existing conditions, but they would likely have continued to live a long life but for COVID-19.
 
That was interesting but just so everyone knows who Rair are

RAIR FOUNDATION USA
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Founders: Amy Mekelburg, Anni Cyrus
President: Chris Gaubatz

The RAIR Foundation USA was created in May 2016 by Amy Jane Mekelburg, a far-right internet troll who had gained notoriety as a prolific espouser of Islamophobic hatred on Twitter.

Mekelburg reached out to Anni Cyrus, a host on the Islamophobic ‘Glazov Gang’ YouTube channel, to assist in the creation of RAIR. Chris Gaubatz, former Vice President of the Islamophobic consultation group, Understanding the Threat (UTT), until April 2018, was revealed to be RAIR’s President following an advertisement for a “National Security Briefing” event on 4 June 2018 featuring him in Cincinnati, hosted by ACT for America’s Southwest Ohio chapter. Gaubatz is the son of Paul David Gaubatz, co-author of Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America (2009), which drew on Chris’s infiltration of the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in 2007.

As of October 2018 RAIR’s website has reverted to a page inviting visitors to sign-up, however, prior to this people could submit photos and contact information of those they believed were “accomplices” to jihadi terrorists.
IFocus,
Was this the source from which you were quoting?:
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/rese...ofiles/wider-scene/north-america-groups/#RAIR

Edit: If so, thankyou for directing me to an invaluable source of information (i.e. RAIR website) that might otherwise have been obscured from view due to suppression and censorship.
 
IFocus,
Was this the source from which you were quoting?:
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/rese...ofiles/wider-scene/north-america-groups/#RAIR

Edit: If so, thankyou for directing me to an invaluable source of information (i.e. RAIR website) that might otherwise have been obscured from view due to suppression and censorship.

It looked like Rair had covered their tracks it was hard to find anything other than what Rair said about themselves quite the opposite i thought.
 
It looked like Rair had covered their tracks it was hard to find anything other than what Rair said about themselves quite the opposite i thought.
It did not sound at all like a self description.

I seriously wonder how many organisations would self describe any of their founders, as far right internet trolls who espouse islamophobic hatred!
 
I seriously wonder how many organisations would self describe any of their founders, as far right internet trolls who espouse islamophobic hatred!

Well they wouldn't would they . :D
I suggest Defenders of Christian Civilization would be a more likely self description..:)
 
Well they wouldn't would they . :D
I suggest Defenders of Christian Civilization would be a more likely self description..:)
Which provides ample explanation for HateNotHope's (and organisations of their ilk) public vilification of them!
 
NO it is NOT a POLITICAL football...
Two of those words are not like the other words.
two of those words are not the same.
Two of those words do not belong with the other words.
Now it's time to play our game.

Can you tell which two words do not belong with the other words?

Let's see what happens when we omit the two words in question:
".. it is ... a POLITICAL football."
 
Which provides ample explanation for HateNotHope's (and organisations of their ilk) public vilification of them!

I honestly cannot find any linK from that UK website that opposes hate agenda to Rair do you have any?
 
I honestly cannot find any linK from that UK website that opposes hate agenda to Rair do you have any?
Not sure I understand what you're asking due to an ambiguity within the phrase "opposes hate agenda".

What I do know is that HateNotHope are openly vilifying a number of organisations due to their opposition to HateNotHope's ironically racist and exclusive agenda of "anti-racism" and "inclusivity".

Apologies, but my comments have, regretfully,steered this thread away from topic, so if your investigations are truly failing to uncover the respective agendas at play, I would be happy to discuss on a more relevant thread. Perhaps one of the freedom of speech threads, would be more fitting.
 
Emergency doctor with coronavirus who was put on ventilator speaks out
An emergency doctor in Melbourne says he feels lucky to be alive after spending days on a ventilator in intensive care with coronavirus.

Key points:
  • Dr Yianni Efstathiadis suspects he contracted COVID-19 from a patient
  • He had to be put onto a ventilator in intensive care at Melbourne's Northern Hospital Epping
  • The head of intensive care was concerned Dr Efstathiadis was going to die
In July, news outlets around the country reported a young doctor in his 30s was in ICU, but his identity has not been revealed until now.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...coronavirus-put-on-ventilator-in-icu/12578644
 
Emergency doctor with coronavirus who was put on ventilator speaks out
An emergency doctor in Melbourne says he feels lucky to be alive after spending days on a ventilator in intensive care with coronavirus.

Key points:
  • Dr Yianni Efstathiadis suspects he contracted COVID-19 from a patient
  • He had to be put onto a ventilator in intensive care at Melbourne's Northern Hospital Epping
  • The head of intensive care was concerned Dr Efstathiadis was going to die
In July, news outlets around the country reported a young doctor in his 30s was in ICU, but his identity has not been revealed until now.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...coronavirus-put-on-ventilator-in-icu/12578644
Fear fear!

OMG we're all going to die :eek:
 
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