Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[satanoperca]

I just think its a bit blind to say covid isn't being used as a political tool.

I would be a little bit more foreright, if you don't think we are being played by our political masters, you are STUPID.

Dan the man saying that if us Victorians are lucky, we might be able to enjoy xmas dinner with our family and friends, how about f---kyou Dan, we are not in China.

 

[basilio]

I merely advocate dispassionately looking at the data, no politicisation, no project fear, just the actual reality. On the other hand you and your ilk have no desire to do the same, oweing the stated aims up organisations such as the sinister @ssclowns at WEF.

Indeed. Certainly the approach that all people of science would advocate.

In the case of COVID 19 we have in fact excellent data on the infectiousness, and effects of the disease. We also have data on what sort of efforts are required to control its spread and hence impact on the community. The ongoing WIKI entry on the disease lays it all out.
Well worth taking it in .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic

 

[wayneL]

Ah Wikipedia, the font of all knowledge.

Wiki simply parrots the sources I'm referring to.

 

[basilio]

Ah Wikipedia, the font of all knowledge.

Wiki simply parrots the sources I'm referring to.

And which sources are these Wayne ? The medical community ? Noted epidemiologists ? Organisations that have been researching corona viruses for years ?

 

[IFocus]

Here's a UK article on covid being used or not used as cause of death.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...milies-of-the-dead-still-wonder-was-it-covid/

I just think its a bit blind to say covid isn't being used as a political tool.

Mo did you read that its about under counting deaths caused by covid and I did not see a political link just mistakes caused by an over worked system and stressed people.

 

[Smurf1976]

I just think its a bit blind to say covid isn't being used as a political tool.

No doubt about that one and it's coming from both sides.

A certain company best known for limiting the news as been incredibly blatant of late with their anti-government stuff in Victoria. They haven't really even tried to hide it with their "Kmart mums........" style of one sided reporting of things that aren't news anywhere else.

On the other hand, well if someone's about to fall off their perch anyway and COVID-19 brings that forward by a week well then it's technically correct but rather misleading to count them as part of the pandemic death toll.

The whole identity politics and politicisation of everything is a big part of the trouble with all this. By its very nature that pushes a proper scientific approach out the window and replaces it with politics.

Sydney having water restrictions whilst the dams overflow is another example of such nonsense. I kid you not, that's exactly the situation right now and it's another manifestation of the same basic issue.

Back in ye olde days we had actual experts on such matters in the Public Service and politicians left them to get on with it, their role being limited to the approval of major out of the ordinary expenditure and things like that. We had far less nonsense back then.......

 

[SirRumpole]

Back in ye olde days we had actual experts on such matters in the Public Service and politicians left them to get on with it, their role being limited to the approval of major out of the ordinary expenditure and things like that. We had far less nonsense back then.......

That was before politicians saw politics not as a public service but a way to get a cushy job on the board of a large company, and to do that they had to "reorganise" (sorry "reform") their department in a way that suited their future employers, in other words privatise it.

 

[moXJO]

Mo did you read that its about under counting deaths caused by covid and I did not see a political link just mistakes caused by an over worked system and stressed people.

Here's what's going on apparently:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

The only bit that matters:

It is true, however, that the government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases in two senses: By paying an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients during the public health emergency, and by reimbursing hospitals for treating the uninsured patients with the disease (at that enhanced Medicare rate).



Possible that its similar here.

 

[moXJO]

No doubt about that one and it's coming from both sides.

I agree.
Social media seems to be aflame (here) with political battles which makes me wonder how many foreign agents are stoking the fires.

Its either smashing Dan Andrews or "Scotty from marketing" (I don't know why people think that's clever). Unfortunately cancel culture has caught on over here as well.

 

[sptrawler]

Well at last, someone has stood up and taken responsibility, I guess the Federal Government and border force will get an apology.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...servedly-over-ruby-princess-handling/12564830
From the article:
Premier Gladys Berejiklian has apologised "unreservedly" for the "unimaginable loss" suffered by people because of NSW Health's handling of the coronavirus outbreak on the Ruby Princess cruise ship.
A report handed to the NSW Government on Friday identified "serious", "inexcusable" and "inexplicable" oversights by NSW Health.
Key points:

• NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has responded to the Special Commission of Inquiry report which was delivered on Friday
• She said the situation would "never happen again"
• There have been 663 COVID-19 cases linked to the Ruby Princess and 28 deaths

 

[moXJO]

anyone see putins Facebook?

 

[basilio]

Cautiously good news in Victoria...

Victorian coronavirus cases rise by 222 as state records 17 further COVID-19 deaths

Victoria has recorded 222 new coronavirus cases, the third consecutive day of numbers below 300.
The state has recorded 17 further deaths from COVID-19.
Today's new case numbers are the lowest in a month, since Victoria recorded 217 new cases on July 18.
The state's death toll now stands at 351, which accounts for about 80 per cent of Australia's coronavirus deaths.
For the latest news on the COVID-19 pandemic read our coronavirus live blog.
Head of the Kirby Institute biosecurity program, Raina MacIntyre, said it was "really great to see" today's drop in new case numbers.
"I think the Victorian Government has done a really good job under very, very difficult circumstances and clearly the epidemic there has peaked and the numbers are coming down," Professor MacIntyre told ABC Radio Melbourne.
"Hopefully it will be a week or so before we see those numbers down to the double digits."
But she said more needed to be done to prevent health workers from contracting the disease.
"It's a really urgent issue that needs to be addressed. Health workers all over Australia are really distressed," she said.
As of yesterday, Victoria still had more than 1,000 active cases in healthcare workers.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...rise-by-222-and-17-more-covid-deaths/12568122

 

[basilio]

Victoria's coronavirus crisis traced back to seven returned travellers, hotel quarantine inquiry told

Ninety per cent of Victoria's current coronavirus cases can be traced back to a family of four that returned to Australia and stayed in Melbourne's Rydges on Swanston hotel, according to a key witness at an inquiry probing the failures of the state's hotel quarantine program.

..Dr Alpren said there were two smaller outbreaks which originated at the Stamford Plaza Hotel — one from a man who returned to Australia on June 1, and another from a couple who landed on June 11.

"I know of no links between cases in the Rydges hotel outbreak and cases involved in the Stamford Plaza outbreak," Dr Alpren said.

"It is likely that a high proportion, approximately 99 per cent of current cases of COVID-19 in Victoria have arisen from Rydges or Stamford."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...ced-back-to-seven-travellers-inquiry/12568408

 

[satanoperca]

Victoria's coronavirus crisis traced back to seven returned travellers, hotel quarantine inquiry told

Ninety per cent of Victoria's current coronavirus cases can be traced back to a family of four that returned to Australia and stayed in Melbourne's Rydges on Swanston hotel, according to a key witness at an inquiry probing the failures of the state's hotel quarantine program.

..Dr Alpren said there were two smaller outbreaks which originated at the Stamford Plaza Hotel — one from a man who returned to Australia on June 1, and another from a couple who landed on June 11.

"I know of no links between cases in the Rydges hotel outbreak and cases involved in the Stamford Plaza outbreak," Dr Alpren said.

"It is likely that a high proportion, approximately 99 per cent of current cases of COVID-19 in Victoria have arisen from Rydges or Stamford."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...ced-back-to-seven-travellers-inquiry/12568408

Time for Dan the man and his party to go.

 

[SirRumpole]

Time for Dan the man and his party to go.

Victoria has fixed 4 year terms with the next election set for November 2022. It's a pretty sure bet than Dan won't resign before then.

But yes, he or someone in his government stuffed up hotel quarantine and if an election was held today he may lose, but he's got 2 years to make up for his government's mistakes.

 

[satanoperca]

Victoria has fixed 4 year terms with the next election set for November 2022. It's a pretty sure bet than Dan won't resign before then.

But yes, he or someone in his government stuffed up hotel quarantine and if an election was held today he may lose, but he's got 2 years to make up for his government's mistakes.

Stuffed up, really, how about destroyed the entire economy.

 

[sptrawler]

Hydroxychloroquine, can't seem to stay out of the news.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political...or-quietly-reverses-course-hydroxychloroquine
From the article:
The reversal by Walz, a first-term Democrat, clears the way for doctors to prescribe hydroxychloroquine, a drug commonly used to treat malaria and other conditions but one the FDA has declined to recommend for COVID-19 treatment.

The decision is the latest development in the weird saga of arguably the most divisive drug in modern history.

The acrimony began in March after President Trump tweeted that hydroxychloroquine had the potential to be “one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine” as a treatment for the coronavirus.

The tweet and similar statements provoked an avalanche of media criticism, with many claiming that the president was going to get people killed. Critics pointed out that medical evidence suggests the medication is linked to a fatal arrhythmia and some trials show no benefits in coronavirus treatments.

Though his critics are likely loath to admit it, there’s reason to believe the president may have been on to something. In recent weeks a chorus of voices in the medical community has emerged to challenge the view that hydroxychloroquine is ineffective as a COVID treatment. Dr. Harvey A. Risch, a professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health, said a full analysis of the literature suggests hydroxychloroquine may be the key to defeating the coronavirus.

Prescribing hydroxychloroquine in the early stages of the virus is key, Risch said, and others agree. Steven Hatfill, a veteran virologist and adjunct assistant professor at the George Washington University Medical Center, says the literature supporting hydroxychloroquine is overwhelming.

“There are now 53 studies that show positive results of hydroxychloroquine in COVID infections,” Hatfill wrote in RealClearPolitics.

“There are 14 global studies that show neutral or negative results -- and 10 of them were of patients in very late stages of COVID-19, where no antiviral drug can be expected to have much effect.”

 

[SirRumpole]

Though his critics are likely loath to admit it, there’s reason to believe the president may have been on to something.

Well, if he's right about that, maybe he's right about injecting disinfectant ?

 

[sptrawler]

Well, if he's right about that, maybe he's right about injecting disinfectant ?

Apparently he isn't right about anything, according to the media.
I guess we will have to wait a few more months to find out.

 

[basilio]

Apparently he isn't right about anything, according to the media.

Not at all...!
Donald can be quite honest and astute.

This is particularly noticeable when he is letting people know about how he intends to kneecap the US postal service to undermine the November elections.