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Are you serious. Have you not read anything about vaccines and viruses.
Please before you post the obvious. Research please
Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion
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Are you serious. Have you not read anything about vaccines and viruses.
Please before you post the obvious. Research please
That is the problem with viruses, they mutate often which is why many in the medical world are calling BS on the vaccine mania.
The current wave of Covid in NSW has been identified as the one from Melbourne, so that indicates that the one in NSW before was in fact different from the one in Vic.
It was claimed that the virus in Europe was different to the one in the USA
We have had 100 years to get a working vaccine for the flu and we still can only achieve about 33% immunity most years ( research shows that Vitamin D achieves the same as well)
The flu vaccine success rates can vary from state to state and city to city apparently.
Get some sun and eat some oysters, Vitamin D and Zinc, seem to be firming up as the most successful defence.
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Aah no maybe I worded it poorly the mutations were as you say well known (if thats what you mean) the way the virus changes are not there is a difference that being we end up with something that will kill a lot more people than the current mutations changes can.
It was being compared to getting to kill 10% of infection cases.
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A proper vaccine ain't going to happen for at least 12 months, if not longer.
Then there will be problems with distribution, prioritising first recipients and cost.
And then some silly bastard will neck a bat and we will have Covid-21.
Our best chance in my opinion is to minimise spread, maximise safe opening of economies while protecting the vulnerable and maintaining healthcare staffing, PPE and other medical assets. It's a difficult dance.
gg
Then there will be problems with distribution, prioritising first recipients and cost.
And then some silly bastard will neck a bat and we will have Covid-21.
Our best chance in my opinion is to minimise spread, maximise safe opening of economies while protecting the vulnerable and maintaining healthcare staffing, PPE and other medical assets. It's a difficult dance.
gg
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UK deaths are being revised down for the same reason also.
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Which means exactly... what ?
There has always been a rubberiness around working out the deaths caused directly/indirectly from COVID 19. From Day One there have been concerns that many people have died in nursing homes or at home from COVID but did not form part of the official figures.
There have been repeated efforts to use overall excess death rates in a country as a clearer indication of COVID deaths than just the day to day hospital deaths.
Media driven coved death figures were not correct in Australia. They were then politicised and used to lock down states. I didn't have a problem with lockdowns up to a point.
I am at a loss as why the figures need to be fudged at all.
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We all know rhat covid deaths have been highly politicized, especially by the toxic left, your mob basilio.
it means but it seems there has been a little bit of over enthusiasm for attributing covid deaths.
Look man, we all want accurate figures that represent the true picture so that the responses of our society can be appropriate. Therefore, it is right to ascertain whether the figures we are given are accurate, from both sides of the argument.
If there are questions, then the questions must be answered honestly without indulging your sort of muck raking and character assassination bulshit.
So calm down and let people get to the bottom of it.
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The COVID death figures are not "media driven" . They come from the best available analysis at the time. Doesn't mean its perfect or not capable of being improved. It is an impossible challenge to identify exactly who has passed away and when across a country and get all the figures right. Thats why there are reassessments.
The figures weren't fudged MoX. If anything the real deaths attributable to COVID have not been reflected in the official tolls because they havn't been able to properly account for deaths at home or in aged care centres. They were hospital based figures. As has been pointed out repeatedly analysis of overall excess deaths in a country is a more accurate way to assess the impact of COVID.
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Did the deaths from the 2000 plus virus breakouts in care homes end up being counted?
"excess death rates in a country as a clearer indication"
Correct.
The quibble over death rates seem to be another smoke screen for its no big deal open up the economy.
On another note really surprised that Sweden's Department head for looking after the virus actually lied about heard immunity.
And if the emails are correct staggered at his lack of knowledge regarding infectious disease rate of spread.
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Just a little curious here Wayne...
Are you proposing that the daily COVID figures coming from medical compilations are just highly politicized figures constructed by the toxic left ?
Or does it just sound that way because of how you put it ?
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Bas, if you're going to construct strawman arguments, try to do it intelligently and not so obviously Kathy Newmanesque... ie not so intentionally stupid.
Clearly there have been problems in the collations of the figures. If they are wrong, that's correct them, that's not politicize them for the benefit of any particular agenda.
I know Alinsky instructs you otherwise but do try to have discussions on the basis of what is actually going on.
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I didn't start this discussion with the following statement Wayne
We all know rhat covid deaths have been highly politicized, especially by the toxic left, your mob basilio.
So lets be abundantly clear about who is is trying to smear who in this zoo.
I think it is always worthwhile getting accurate on COVID cases, deaths, other consequences and most importantly how we deal with a disastrous rapidly changing pandemic.
Having said that for the life of me I can't see how I or you or a thousand other key board warriors have the experience, skills and breadth of knowledge that epidemiological scientists bring to the table.
It is their expertise I acknowledge and support in this situation. The broad situation of a possible pandemic and how to respond to it has been understood by scientists for years. In that sense WHO was an international scientific body tasked with (trying) to ensure an effective world wide response.
The decision by the current US President to undermine this international body as well as undermining the US response to the pandemic and encouraging like minded leaders and followers to ignore the consequences of this foreseeable disaster is utterly criminal. The ongoing support for such an approach represents some of the worst elements of anti science, anti fact based thinking we currently experience.
Nathan Turners family would argue otherwise. He was directly used by media hysteria and the qld government despite the family and friends saying it was BS. They fought hard on social media. A lot of people clued on
It went on for a while, I thought I posted this earlier on as well?
Anyway easier to apologise after you get your way I suppose.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...han-turner-false-positive-blackwater/12308080
The point is, yes their is some suspect activity for unknown reasons.
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What was wrong with the opening statement? It is the absolute truth.
Look how the Komrades are distorting the Sweden narrative. Look at the project fear in MSM.
I merely advocate dispassionately looking at the data, no politicisation, no project fear, just the actual reality. On the other hand you and your ilk have no desire to do the same, oweing the stated aims up organisations such as the sinister @ssclowns at WEF.
My language maybe a little colourful but that does not take away from the facts.
Look how the Komrades are distorting the Sweden narrative. Look at the project fear in MSM.
I merely advocate dispassionately looking at the data, no politicisation, no project fear, just the actual reality. On the other hand you and your ilk have no desire to do the same, oweing the stated aims up organisations such as the sinister @ssclowns at WEF.
My language maybe a little colourful but that does not take away from the facts.
Here's a UK article on covid being used or not used as cause of death.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...milies-of-the-dead-still-wonder-was-it-covid/
I just think its a bit blind to say covid isn't being used as a political tool.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...milies-of-the-dead-still-wonder-was-it-covid/
I just think its a bit blind to say covid isn't being used as a political tool.