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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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sptrawler said:
The PM is limited because it is a Federation and he doesn't have absolute say over the States.
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That's not the point!
Good national leaders around the world have driven consistent policies to address COVID-19 because they knew how to go about it.
When Morrison had no real plan - just an idea - about "opening up" and got several States offside, things began to unravel.
It got even more of a fist fight when the federal government chose to support Clive Palmer's "border" challenge in the High Court.
So we now have policy on the run across all levels of government as we try to bandage up health, aged care, employment and the economy.
sptrawler said:
As for your self opinionated thread, on how to run things, how many replies did it get?
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I made statements about what what could work, given they have been proven to work elsewhere in the world - hardly my opinion!
sptrawler said:
On that subject, didn't you say you had something to do with writing policy for the Labor Party ....
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No, I wrote policy for whoever was in government at the time. The fundamental difference in my almost 20 years experience was that Labor was always proactive while the Coalition tended to be more reactive.
 
Maybe you will still be blaming Morrison, when Andrews calls stage 129.
It must have been the Liberals who sacked you.

Maybe you should change your moniker to Sir Humfries, he was an expert at never admitting when he was wrong and also never said in two words what could be said in 100.
It's you to a tee.
 
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Keep your personal comments to yourself and address the issues.
From what we know to date about Victoria, the spread is traced back to contractors at quarantined hotels who were not properly managed by the companies employing them. The government did not condone this, unlike what happened in the NSW cruise ship fiasco.
 
I like this perspective on the spread of the COVID virus.

Essentially pointing out that looking for someone (else..) to blame seems to part of human nature but is not going to be effective in dealing with the ongoing problem.
And more importantly it will just break down the huge cooperative efforts needed to stay on top of the issue.
Gideon is an epidemiologist.

Allocating blame for Covid-19 might be satisfying, but it is unhelpful
Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz
As with everything this year, it feels like a tired phrase, but we really are all in this together

...The problem is that this allocating of blame is, at best, unhelpful. In the autopsy of “what went wrong in 2020”, there will almost certainly be people who did the wrong thing, and I’m sure we’ll spend countless gleeful hours dissecting their mistakes. But here and now, apportioning blame is all but impossible. Sure, some teenagers broke the rules, but when we have had some politicians labelling lockdowns as worthless and national media figures dismissing the virus as harmless for the young, can we really blame them? If I was 18 again, ignorantly confident in my own immortality, I too would maybe think that this whole thing was a bit overblown.
As with everything this year, it feels like a tired phrase, but we really are all in this together. Angrily decrying people’s perceived mistakes, while sometimes satisfying, doesn’t really help any of us. The virus has made us all feel helpless, so we search desperately for someone to denounce, even though the reality is that it’s Covid-19 that’s really the issue here. Pointing the finger of blame may feel good, but often we don’t really have enough evidence to even know who is at fault, never mind how bad the slip-up might have been. The one constant in this year of change is how little we truly understand about what’s happening, because the simple fact is that none of us have ever dealt with a situation like this before.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...id-19-might-be-satisfying-but-it-is-unhelpful
 
And yet, our leftists here look for someone else to blame... Anyone other than members of their own pathetic tribe.
 
sptrawler said:
Well every other state seems to have got the consistent message, you really do need to open your mind, rather than trying to make the situation suit the answer you want.
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The federal governments backing Palmer on opening WA boarders was an ideological position at best given the obvious risks to mining in the state which currently is the engine room for the economy that's before you get to the pros and cons of such a move regarding the health of the WA population.

Note that Palmer hasn't ever applied at any time to enter WA yet still the Coalition backed him......why?

Whats the policy agenda for this?

As Morrison wont open parliament up we don't know.

it beggars belief that the government wants everyone to go to work yet our federal politicians cannot seem to be able to do the same.
 
I guess it is a constitution thing, I believe McGowan is pushing to have it re scheduled in the Supreme Court, as it should.
All these jurisdiction issues should be thrashed out, the State agenda can differ from the Federal agenda and when it does it should be settled.
Good on McGowan I reckon.
with regard Federal Parliament, my guess would be there are several members from shaky areas, I wouldn't want to be sitting next to them.
The old saying "do as I say, not as I do", isn't a new thing and isn't party specific.
 
yes, i'm thinking similar thoughts as well. mean time, we continue to ride through to the next phase, whatever that is.
 
lf the University of QLD offered me a Covid-19 vaccine jab (even under trial conditions), l'd take it right now.



Coronavirus vaccine: Which candidates are the most promising?

A total of 26 candidates are currently being trialled on humans, but only a handful have entered into the final stage of testing
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The race to find a Covid-19 vaccine continues to gather pace at lightning speed, with a total of 26 candidates currently in the clinical evaluation stage of development, according to the World Health Organisation.

A process that typically takes between 10 and 15 years, vaccine production is being worked on by governments and leading pharmaceutical companies, who are hoping to find a vaccine— and a way out of the coronavirus pandemic — by the end of the year.

Of the 26 candidates that are being trialled on humans, only a handful of these have entered into phase three of testing — the final stage before regulatory approval is then secured (or denied).​


Oxford University and AstraZeneca
Name: ChAdOx1 nCoV-19

Sinovac
Name: CoronaVac

Moderna
Name: mRNA-1273

Pfizer and BioNTech
Name: BNT162b2


Other front-runners
CanSino Biologics: The Chinese biopharmaceutical is still in phase two of its trial, but in June it received limited approval from the government to use its vaccine among military personnel, for one year only.

Sinopharm: China’s state-run pharmaceutical company last month launched its phase three trial among 15,000 volunteers —aged 18 to 60, with no serious underlying conditions— in the United Arab Emirates.

Murdoch Children’s Research Institute: The paediatric medical research firm, based in Melbourne, is conducting a phase 3 trial using a nearly 100-year-old tuberculosis vaccine.​

 
As I have mentioned before a US vaccine trial is being run out of a clinic where my mate is on a autoimmune trial, he was speaking to the head a couple of days ago apparently its going really well.

Not sure what phase they are up to now.

The top man did say he couldn't see travel before 2022.
 
Fauci tells of death threats as Birx pinpoints fresh areas of Covid concern
  • Expert says he has hired security to protect him and family
  • Taskforce colleague Birx tells some cities to ‘get on top’ of virus
Anthony Fauci, the top infectious disease expert in the US, has had to hire security to protect himself and his family after receiving death threats in response to his work to stop the spread of coronavirus.

Fauci, a member of the White House coronavirus taskforce, told CNN that the pandemic has brought out “the best of people and the worst of people, and, you know, getting death threats for me and my family and harassing my daughters to the point where I have to get security”.

Donald Trump’s administration has consistently downplayed the public health threat of coronavirus, but Fauci has just as consistently rejected those efforts. Since the early days of the pandemic, Fauci has provided blunt assessments of the crisis in media appearances and in remarks at the White House, which have been less frequent in recent months.

“I wouldn’t have imagined in my wildest dreams that people who object to things that are pure public health principles are so set against it and don’t like what you and I say, namely in the world of science, that they actually threaten you,” said Fauci.

The US has recorded almost 160,000 Covid-19 related deaths and more than 4.8m coronavirus cases, according to Johns Hopkins University, far more than any other country in the world.

In an interview with Politico’s Pulse Check podcast released on Thursday, Fauci was more specific about the threats against his family and said he had worked to ignore the conspiracy theories about him online.

“There’s one thing about that nonsense that I do object to, and that is the effect that it has on my family,” the doctor added. “Because when you get death threats that require you having security protection all the time, and when they start hassling your children on the phone and at their job and interfering with their lives, that pisses me off, I must say.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/06/anthony-fauci-death-threats-coronavirus
 

Victoria reports 911 healthcare workers have Covid-19, after daily rise of 101
There are now 911 healthcare workers with active infections of Covid-19 in Victoria, a rise of 101 since Thursday. Hospitals are already under pressure as nurses are diverted to tackle the crisis in aged care homes and 607 people in the state’s hospitals with the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...workers-have-covid-19-after-daily-rise-of-101

 
It would cop a lot more outrage, if it could be put down to Trump or Morrison.
 
wayneL said:
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Like many of your posts, it is factually flawed.
Here's how deaths are recorded.
For the data be changed will require the Minister to ignore the underlying cause of death where that was COVID-19. It's a bit like ignoring HIV as the underlying cause of death of a person who dies of pneumonia a year later.
 
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