Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[IFocus]

DYOR @rederob

I have.

“She’s also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens and that they’re trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from becoming religious.”

 

[Sdajii]

If it can be shown beyond all doubt that this is indeed the case, so it's not like HIV or chickenpox, then that would indeed allay some concerns.

There's no medical doubt about this. Allow your concerns on this particular facet of the matter to be allayed.

Thus far though, from a layperson's perspective there is thus far a lack of any real answers. What effects? On how many people? Etc. There's a lack of any real data on that it seems.

There's a lot of real data which isn't being put into mainstream media or any high profile outlets. It's difficult to find because you have to sort through all the tinfoil hat 5G tower, wetmarket, raw bat soup, microchip in the vaccine, nonsense insanity, and you need some idea of how to sort through it and recognise what is obvious garbage, what's genuine, and what you can't be certain of. If it's literal microchip in the vaccine injection level stuff, anyone with any sense can see straight through it, but with my training in life sciences I can see a lot of stuff in the mainstream media is blatant lies, which is still mainstream enough to be in the 6 o'clock televised propaganda. And then there's still a lot I can't be sure about, so I have to leave a question mark over it. There is without a doubt a tonne of absolutely hard evidence (and I'm not talking tinfoil hat nonsense or anything which is uncertain) showing that the mainstream narrative which the government policies are based on is very wrong, which raises all sorts of concerns and questions. You're right, for most laypeople it's very confusing and extremely difficult to get any answers. There are plenty of answers I wish I had, but it's frustrating (and scary) to know enough to see that the mainstream narratives are so incredibly incorrect, and most people still trustingly believe them. And of course there's still a lot of data which no one yet has. But, there's also definitely a lot of data which undoubtedly has been collected, but is nowhere to be found in the public realm, which is another very concerning thing.

 

[rederob]

There is without a doubt a tonne of absolutely hard evidence (and I'm not talking tinfoil hat nonsense or anything which is uncertain) showing that the mainstream narrative which the government policies are based on is very wrong, which raises all sorts of concerns and questions.

So what is this "hard evidence" and where are some/any links?

There are plenty of answers I wish I had, but it's frustrating (and scary) to know enough to see that the mainstream narratives are so incredibly incorrect, and most people still trustingly believe them.

Have no idea what you mean. Are death and positive COV19 cases so flawed that every country is running a conspiracy? Are nation's health officers lying about the science?

But, there's also definitely a lot of data which undoubtedly has been collected, but is nowhere to be found in the public realm, which is another very concerning thing.

Really?
Or do you mean there is a lot of data which continues to be analysed before meaningful conclusions can be drawn.
Type "COVID-19" into google scholar and you get over 50000 mostly science papers available.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Back on to economic implications, kids

 

[over9k]

Good luck with that, they turned this thread into a dumpster fire weeks ago. I really don't know why the mods haven't swung the banhammer.

 

[Joe Blow]

Back on to economic implications, kids

I'm away from the PC this morning but I'll sort this thread out when I get home.

Back on economic implications please folks.

 

[over9k]

How many times have you said that though? Can't you just start wielding the banhammer? They're clearly not getting the message.

 

[rederob]

Good luck with that, they turned this thread into a dumpster fire weeks ago. I really don't know why the mods haven't swung the banhammer.

Maybe because "government policies" intertwine health and economic considerations right now. Lockdowns and border closures are starting to bite into interstate tourism where some semblance of recovery was underway. North Queensland tourism industry operators this morning reported a $100M hit to revenues as a result of NSW and Victorian COV19 cases necessitating restrictions. I suspect Tasmania this coming spring/summer will be similarly affected if the lid cannot be lifted.
Australia's hospitality industry is reporting the greatest job losses. We know that early impacts were greatest on the young, but as as a slow recovery unfolds, white collar sector - typically also older age - employment is declining.

 

[SirRumpole]

Maybe because "government policies" intertwine health and economic considerations right now.

Agree there. Politics is an inescapable part of the economy.

 

[Joe Blow]

How many times have you said that though? Can't you just start wielding the banhammer? They're clearly not getting the message.

Taking a thread off topic isn't a bannable offence. It usually happens unintentionally as discussions drift naturally.

When I get home this afternoon I'll clean this thread up and move the off topic posts to an appropriate thread.

 

[Sdajii]

So what is this "hard evidence" and where are some/any links?

It's literally a corona virus. We know how these work. If it wasn't being eliminated, it would still be present and thus, it would still be detectable.

Have no idea what you mean. Are death and positive COV19 cases so flawed that every country is running a conspiracy?

No, of course not, but we do know for example that the head of the WHO (who literally has less qualifications to be the head of the WHO than I do!) is a Chinese puppet, one of those elephants in the room no one is talking about. We know a low of misinformation is being put out, and most countries are following it. Politics is leading the science rather than the other way around. It's not true that every country is leading a conspiracy, but it clearly is true that a conspiracy is leading most countries. China is clearly going to extraordinary lengths to control the narrative of the science and the politics, this is absolutely clear to anyone paying any attention, as is the fact that it's working. If nothing else you can surely look in the rear view mirror (something few people seem to be doing!) and see that this was the case earlier this year. If it was clearly successful earlier in the year it should be a stretch to at least accept it may still be going. This is very relevant to the politics and economics of the situation.

Are nation's health officers lying about the science?

There have been some clear cases of this, but for the most part money and politics are leading the science and bending the truth rather than outright breaking it. Are we really so naive that in this political climate we believe there is no political bias seeping through? When extreme political and economic biases exist, we have to accept they will inevitably play a significant role. It's just naive to think otherwise.

Or do you mean there is a lot of data which continues to be analysed before meaningful conclusions can be drawn.
Type "COVID-19" into google scholar and you get over 50000 mostly science papers available.

This topic is going to end up too lengthy to be possible to discuss in a forum thread, but basically, a huge amount of data doesn't mean it's all being put out there, and putting forward a huge amount of information doesn't mean every relevant thing is there. Google any scientific topic you like and the amount of data there doesn't mean that every last shred of every piece of information is within it. Not all research gets published, not all information is allowed to be published. For example, what can be published about human genetics is heavily regulated and a lot of information is not allowed to be published on the topic, largely because of the political/racism issues it would inevitably create (this isn't a conspiracy theory tinfoil hat example, it is openly-known that you can't just openly publish all information about human genetics, although the reasons are less openly discussed, for the same reason the information isn't discussed).

 

[rederob]

It's literally a corona virus. We know how these work. If it wasn't being eliminated, it would still be present and thus, it would still be detectable.



No, of course not, but we do know for example that the head of the WHO (who literally has less qualifications to be the head of the WHO than I do!) is a Chinese puppet, one of those elephants in the room no one is talking about. We know a low of misinformation is being put out, and most countries are following it. Politics is leading the science rather than the other way around. It's not true that every country is leading a conspiracy, but it clearly is true that a conspiracy is leading most countries. China is clearly going to extraordinary lengths to control the narrative of the science and the politics, this is absolutely clear to anyone paying any attention, as is the fact that it's working. If nothing else you can surely look in the rear view mirror (something few people seem to be doing!) and see that this was the case earlier this year. If it was clearly successful earlier in the year it should be a stretch to at least accept it may still be going. This is very relevant to the politics and economics of the situation.



There have been some clear cases of this, but for the most part money and politics are leading the science and bending the truth rather than outright breaking it. Are we really so naive that in this political climate we believe there is no political bias seeping through? When extreme political and economic biases exist, we have to accept they will inevitably play a significant role. It's just naive to think otherwise.



This topic is going to end up too lengthy to be possible to discuss in a forum thread, but basically, a huge amount of data doesn't mean it's all being put out there, and putting forward a huge amount of information doesn't mean every relevant thing is there. Google any scientific topic you like and the amount of data there doesn't mean that every last shred of every piece of information is within it. Not all research gets published, not all information is allowed to be published. For example, what can be published about human genetics is heavily regulated and a lot of information is not allowed to be published on the topic, largely because of the political/racism issues it would inevitably create (this isn't a conspiracy theory tinfoil hat example, it is openly-known that you can't just openly publish all information about human genetics, although the reasons are less openly discussed, for the same reason the information isn't discussed).

Wrong thread.
Move post to Outbreak thread and I will respond.

 

[Sdajii]

Wrong thread.
Move post to Outbreak thread and I will respond.

It's literally responding to questions you asked in this thread!

 

[rederob]

It's literally responding to questions you asked in this thread!

Yes, but please move it to the proper thread. I will delete my request as well.

 

[rederob]

It's literally a corona virus. We know how these work.

Completely false, as global economies are in meltdown because we still do not know enough about COV19.

We know a low of misinformation is being put out, and most countries are following it.

Another guess!

China is clearly going to extraordinary lengths to control the narrative of the science and the politics, this is absolutely clear to anyone paying any attention, as is the fact that it's working. If nothing else you can surely look in the rear view mirror (something few people seem to be doing!) and see that this was the case earlier this year.

Seriously! China has been significantly sidelined by western media. China's economic recovery from COV19 continues to drive Australia's resources sectors. Luckily some here follow those markets and are continuing to prosper with holdings in the likes of FMG and BHP.

There have been some clear cases of this, but for the most part money and politics are leading the science and bending the truth rather than outright breaking it.

Unsubstantiated, so what are you relying on? When are you actually going to post something credible to support your words? Victorian and NSW Premiers are now well aware of the economic consequences of lockdowns and are not implementing these measures lightly. Premiers of States with border closures in place don't want their economies ravaged any longer than necessary, but can see the economic carnage continuing in Victoria many weeks after a few security guards acted reprehensibly.

For example, what can be published about human genetics is heavily regulated and a lot of information is not allowed to be published on the topic ....

Please show where this is so in the western world.

 

[basilio]

An indictment on ignoring essential health measures around COVID 19 transmission.

US Representative Louie Gohmert, who refused to wear a mask and today tested positive for Covid-19, apparently forced his entire staff to come into the Capitol every day to work as an example of “how to open up safely”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...08f42f5d72993d#block-5f21bb9d8f08f42f5d72993d

 

[rederob]

“She’s also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens and that they’re trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from becoming religious.”

I guess that's the relevant research that @wayneL hoped I would find, so my sincere apologies for missing it.
I thought the fact that the linked video was organised by the Tea Party and promoted widely by Breitbart could have been a clue as to credibility, but apparently that only works if you sit on the right side of the fence.

 

[wayneL]

I guess that's the relevant research that @wayneL hoped I would find, so my sincere apologies for missing it.
I thought the fact that the linked video was organised by the Tea Party and promoted widely by Breitbart could have been a clue as to credibility, but apparently that only works if you sit on the right side of the fence.

There are other players there, man, and doesn't negate her findings.

Don't try to play logician and fallicician(sic) at the same time. It doesn't work.

The question is whether the vid is legit. I haven't had a lot of time to research, but there's enough to warrant putting pathetic political biases aside and having a look.

 

[rederob]

There are other players there, man, and doesn't negate her findings.
Don't try to play logician and fallicician(sic) at the same time. It doesn't work.

At issue was the fact that there was zero evidence supporting the claims in the video, and you continue to offer none.
Then you link a table about hydroxychloroquine but offer no explanation as to why it has merit. Why do you do this?

 

[basilio]

The research behind hydroxychloroquine as a cure for COVID 19.

What Scientific Tests Reveal about Dr. Immanuel's Hydroxychloroquine Claims
https://www.newsweek.com/what-scien...r-immanuels-hydroxychloroquine-claims-1521147

This article offers an exhaustive analysis of the tests around the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine.
As far as believing the heart felt "certainty" of Dr Immanuel ? Two points

1) Can she offer any evidence of the alleged 360 people she treated and cured ?
2) If some people want to take her on face value as an honest person do we also believe her promotions around astral sex, demons and a host of other views?
Check out Anderson Coopers summary of the story which incorporates Dr Immanuel in full flight.

See 1mi .10, 4m 30sec