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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Well at least now the march is in the SMH, apparently it is going ahead on Tuesday regardless, so those who work in Sydney be aware and be safe.
Black Lives Matter protesters vow to march regardless of court outcome
By Michaela Whitbourn


Organisers of a planned Black Lives Matter protest in Sydney on Tuesday have vowed the march will proceed regardless of the outcome of a Supreme Court application by police for a prohibition order.
 
qldfrog said:
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Trouble is that, if we scale it up to the Australian population, they killed 14,000 people to get to those low numbers (actual deaths 5676 with a population of about 10 million).

That'll change society going forward, it won't be forgotten for a very long time and will of itself come with consequences.

Meanwhile deaths in the US are back in a bull market with a second higher low and a second higher high now having occurred. The 7 day moving average is up 67% from the lows.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
 
qldfrog said:
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Yeah I'd be quiet about it to frog...
Norway, just next door, reported their first deathless day on April 27th. There's been 4 deaths in the last 30 days bringing the total for that country to 255.

In Sweden you test yourself at home and send it off in the post. The experience of someone I know in Karlstad who took the the test on 25/June, It took over two weeks to have the results confirmed.. Make what you will of that.
There's other things to keep in mind about Sweden, not least that their Prime Minister chooses not to speak the population like they are infantile imbeciles....
Schmo knows his audience though.
 
No they did not killed 14k, they let 14k people die now instead of them dying when, next year? and saved thousands of lives on the ongoing years.
Both my Nans would have greatly benefited from covid shortening their artificially extended life by 4 to 5 years.The remaining sane one was begging to die for years while the other one had no mind left for 15y.
Are we actually interested in people or more sustaining a big business?
And whatever BS we can read, they are the one dying from Covid. Exceptions are not representative
we will be able to judge that accurately by looking at the mortality curve along 3y/4y in the near future.
RDV then for the Swedish experience real results
 
Man On Plane Refuses To Wear Mask Because It Breaches His Human Rights



A passenger on a rapidly depressurising aeroplane has refused to fit himself with a mask, saying it was a contravention of his fundamental rights as a human being.

With the plane losing cabin pressure at an alarming rate, the man said he wasn’t just going to blindly follow the instructions of some authoritarian safety card.

“This is fascism. The fact that this dictator at the front of plane is telling me to put on a mask is exactly the reason why I refuse to do it,” the man said as other passengers fitted masks to themselves and loved ones.

“You people can surrender your freedoms if you want to, but I’m not going to give in to a police state. What next? Seatbelts?”

The man said masks were heavy to wear and felt too tight on the face. “It’s such an inconvenience to my freedom. My uncle didn’t fight in three world wars for this bull****! Wake up sheeple! You can’t …

https://www.theshovel.com.au/2020/0...breaches_his_human_rights&utm_term=2020-07-24
 

Why do you post this crap?

There are f--kwits everywhere, do not give them air, give them Covid instead.
 
satanoperca said:
Why do you post this crap?

There are f--kwits everywhere, do not give them air, give them Covid instead.
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It was written on The Shovel as a piece of satire on the ridiculousness of people braying about the injustice of mandatory face masks ... I reprinted it in the same spirit

You did get that didn't you ?
 
IFocus said:
What I find amazing is the opinion its not much more than a bad flu is still around while thousands of medical staff world wide have died of COV19 yet those numbers don't exist for any flu.
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Utterly terrifying isn't it ?
 
qldfrog said:
No they did not killed 14k, they let 14k people die now instead of them dying when, next year? and saved thousands of lives on the ongoing years.
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Ultimately they would die, we all will, but not all next year. It would vary - personally I aim to be alive for quite some time yet and so do most I know.

I say that as someone who's long been an advocate for voluntary euthanasia. If someone's at end of life and suffering in misery then ending it seems like a reasonable thing to do.

If it's killing people who'd otherwise be euthanized if they had the option then arguably that's not a bad thing (noting that those opposed to the concept of euthanasia will obviously disagree).

But can anyone provide proper, accurate figures as to who's ending up dead, who suffers ongoing illness and so on? How many of those were on their death bed anyway? How many were in otherwise reasonable health? Actual figures that is, not ideological arguments. Someone must have the data.

It's hard to see how they've saved lives in coming years though?

If the answer is "economic" then that's really just an acknowledgement that we have an economic system that's not fit for purpose. It needs to serve the needs of society and there are going to be times when GDP goes down that's a given.

If the system isn't designed to cope with that sort of fluctuation without killing people then that's a rather serious flaw to say the least. As a society we'd be wise to heed this whole thing as a warning because it will bite at some point in the future due to some other trigger event that's almost certain.

If that is the case then it needs to be fixed, urgently, even if normal activity resumes literally tomorrow and the virus goes away. Unexploded bombs are dangerous things to have just sitting there.
 
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There are some interesting and changeable views on wearing a mask, aside from their proven effectiveness in mitigating transmission and, subsequently deaths:



The above shows positive cases, so here's the comparison for deaths (data as of Apr. 13, 2020):

Recent viral videos relating to folk in Victoria believing compulsory wearing of masks violates their human rights are deeply logically flawed. If you want to live in a society that protects life and property then there need to be rules that balance liberties. For example, just to be able to drive a car requires a number of conditions to be satisfied, and while driving there are many more rules to follow. For your own safety and those of your passengers you are required by law to ensure that all occupants are buckled up before setting off, and the driver is forbidden from handling a mobile phone. Similarly, Health authorities at times of pandemic have legal responsibility to implement measures that protect the public from disease and death.
 
Another issue is starting to present, the wife and I are going away for a week and the daughter can't get out of school care for the kids.
This means, that working parents have no where to put their kids, when they go to work.
I don't think our suburb is the only one with the issue, as there are two providers close to us and both are shutting down. My guess is they can't get workers, with the attractive handouts, I will try and find out more.
But this is going to become a huge problem, if it a widespread issue, grandparents can't do it forever.
 
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