Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

bellenuit · 17 July 2020

grah33 said:
I'm wondering how the formerly most richest man on the planet once again ends up in the biggest industry ...

No need to wonder. His involvement is through his charitable foundation that has spent billions of his money (and that of others) trying to eradicate diseases in the poorest countries of the world. They have made significant progress with regards to malaria. The only people who doubt his honourable intentions are the usual conspiracy theory nutters.

BTW. The video has a lot of cuts. The impression I got was that he was just stating the truism, that both he and Fauci believe, and that is governments have the choice of waiting for a vaccine to be developed and fully tested so that it has no (or minor) side-effects or start distributing newly developed vaccines before they have been properly tested and risking serious side effects down the track. The video was edited to make it seem that he was advocating the latter, which I didn't hear him specifically say or at least not in its full context. I would like to hear the full video.

wayneL · 17 July 2020

To the sheeple, everything is a conspiracy theory.

grah33 · 17 July 2020

bellenuit said:
No need to wonder. His involvement is through his charitable foundation that has spent billions of his money (and that of others) trying to eradicate diseases in the poorest countries of the world. They have made significant progress with regards to malaria. The only people who doubt his honourable intentions are the usual conspiracy theory nutters.

BTW. The video has a lot of cuts. The impression I got was that he was just stating the truism, that both he and Fauci believe, and that is governments have the choice of waiting for a vaccine to be developed and fully tested so that it has no (or minor) side-effects or start distributing newly developed vaccines before they have been properly tested and risking serious side effects down the track. The video was edited to make it seem that he was advocating the latter, which I didn't hear him specifically say or at least not in its full context. I would like to hear the full video.

i never thought he'd be in some conspiracy thing, just that I find him rather remarkable.

grah33 · 17 July 2020

on Sweden, anyone?

basilio · 17 July 2020

Where COVID 19 is going around the world. Go past the headlines and everyone gets a look in...

Coronavirus update: Hundreds of US children suffer inflammatory condition as new cases rise nationally by 75,000 in single day
Friday's key moments:

wayneL · 17 July 2020

Fear fear fear, be scared!

qldfrog · 17 July 2020

grah33 said:
on Sweden, anyone?

We will realise if we look at figures in a year that they fared as good bad as everyone else but just without lockdown...
Do not expect reading that in the mainstream media
Overreacting? Of course.
Initially valid response, but not anymore once we know more about virus.
Now used as a pretext ..

IFocus · 17 July 2020

US right-wingers have run the mask wearing as a political issue along with its a fear problem any thing for a distraction I guess, quite a discussion going on about it along with the advice is killing off their supporters.

IFocus · 17 July 2020

Its OK just another flu.....not

Most Covid-19 patients admitted to a Sydney hospital in March still have symptoms

Some thing Smurf has talked about

Prof Gregory Dore, an infectious diseases physician at the hospital, said because reports from around the world seemed to suggest the fatality rate among those infected was around 1%, that “some people therefore think that well, 99% of people get out without any trouble”.

“Well, that’s absolutely not the case,” he said. “When you have 10% or more people hospitalised, when you have even more that are managing with the virus out in the community, a proportion of those people having ongoing, debilitating symptoms.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-sydney-hospital-in-march-still-have-symptoms

qldfrog · 19 July 2020

https://www.sonichealthplus.com.au/health-hub/flu/item/2019-flu-season-2nd-worst-on-record
To always keep in perspective
Last year 800 lives lost to common flu in Australia
Covid is a nasty strain so we can reasonably expect more than this and still be within seasonal variation
Another 2 months of winter to go for the south of the country before it gets better

Garpal Gumnut · 19 July 2020

qldfrog said:
https://www.sonichealthplus.com.au/health-hub/flu/item/2019-flu-season-2nd-worst-on-record
To always keep in perspective
Last year 800 lives lost to common flu in Australia
Covid is a nasty strain so we can reasonably expect more than this and still be within seasonal variation
Another 2 months of winter to go for the south of the country before it gets better

Unfortunately frog Covid doesn't seem to follow seasonal variation. Compare Brazil and Sweden's numbers population proportionately.

We have to learn to live with it.

And live with its consequent economic implications.

gg

qldfrog · 19 July 2020

Garpal Gumnut said:
Unfortunately frog Covid doesn't seem to follow seasonal variation. Compare Brazil and Sweden's numbers population proportionately.

We have to learn to live with it.

And live with its consequent economic implications.

gg

Believe me it does, which is why europe is over, as is US btw if you look at the death curve,
and Brazil and Australia getting worse
Brazil in winter is not all copa cabana...

rederob · 19 July 2020

qldfrog said:
Believe me it does, which is why europe is over, as is US btw if you look at the death curve,

Nope:

Garpal Gumnut · 19 July 2020

qldfrog said:
Believe me it does, which is why europe is over, as is US btw if you look at the death curve,
and Brazil and Australia getting worse
Brazil in winter is not all copa cabana...

You are dangerously wrong.

It is not showing itself to be seasonal. Tin Hat stuff.

gg

over9k · 19 July 2020

The divergence between deaths & cases is because young(er) people are now going back to work & getting the virus and it's much more survivable if you're young.

It still KO's you for however long you take to recover, but the death rate is orders of magnitude lower.

This is still a huge cost for business and the individual though so anything which can be done from home/without human contact, is.

moXJO · 19 July 2020

over9k said:
The divergence between deaths & cases is because young(er) people are now going back to work & getting the virus and it's much more survivable if you're young.

It still KO's you for however long you take to recover, but the death rate is orders of magnitude lower.

This is still a huge cost for business and the individual though so anything which can be done from home/without human contact, is.

The majority of people will barely notice it. I think CDC estimates about 40% of people won't even know they have it.
Its not some death sentence. In saying that you don't want it running unchecked.

qldfrog · 19 July 2020

Garpal Gumnut said:
You are dangerously wrong.

It is not showing itself to be seasonal. Tin Hat stuff.

gg

Look at location of cluster in italy france and spain, how do you explain it
And as for actual research:
Maximum contamination is achieved is cold ( but not frozen ) humid environment
Aka winter..but not in qld
Plenty of real research there.i posted a link ages ago.
Condition incidentally reproduced in slaughterhouses which are often prime targets.
You can get the flu in summer, you can get covid in summer but it will have a lower R factor
Obviously summer in Oslo or winter in Cairns , differ from winter in Edinburgh or summer in Dubai.
All that info freely available for who cares to look.
To be honest, really sick of fighting propaganda with facts.
Not specifically you Gg.
DYOR or just repeat after me
"We are doomed unless we lockdown, but a vaccine will save us before the end of year, and the US is a slaughterhouse because of Trump"

rederob · 19 July 2020

qldfrog said:
You can get the flu in summer, you can get covid in summer but it will have a lower R factor

More unsubstantiated claims from @qldfrog which are contradicted by real world evidence.
Here's some info about the reproduction rate.
The positivity rate which has been increasing in the US as the summer has drawn, has also been increasing as total numbers are increasing.
Little of your post stacks up.

over9k · 19 July 2020

I'm not an immunologist or doctor but doesn't the cold itself compromise your immune system?

I.e it's not that bugs spread better in the winter, it's that the cold weakens your immune system to such an extent that they become much harder to fight off?

If that's true, we can expect to see death rate increase(s) as the weather gets colder.

sptrawler · 19 July 2020

basilio said:
The issue of the danger COVID 19 represents to community is far bigger than simply mortality. The longer term effects of the illness on people who are severely affected is becoming clearer.

Most Covid-19 patients admitted to a Sydney hospital in March still have symptoms
Exclusive: more than three months after being discharged from St Vincent’s hospital, some 80% continue to experience symptoms, doctors say

Prof Gregory Dore, an infectious diseases physician at the hospital, said because reports from around the world seemed to suggest the fatality rate among those infected was around 1%, that “some people therefore think that well, 99% of people get out without any trouble”.

“Well, that’s absolutely not the case,” he said. “When you have 10% or more people hospitalised, when you have even more that are managing with the virus out in the community, a proportion of those people having ongoing, debilitating symptoms.

“This is a scary virus in the way it can affect people. There is a significant minority of people who have this ongoing – if you want to call it – syndrome of debilitating symptoms, so we’re sort of looking very closely at that group, both in terms of evaluating their quality of life and mental health fatigue, looking at the neurocognitive function, and then looking immunologically at whether there are any markers that would predict a symptom. So those are devastating symptoms.”
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-sydney-hospital-in-march-still-have-symptoms

Hello Bas but isn't that what we've been saying since it broke out? best not to get it, as there is reportedly a HIV component and something could lay dormant. What do most who have HIV normally succumb to?

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