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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Hmm...
So what elements should be fact checked Wayne ?
  • That he was 30 and died from COVID ?
  • That he had gone to a COVID party thrown by a person who was infected with a bunch of other people ?
  • That as he was fighting for his life he voiced the thought that " perhaps COVID was real after all and not a hoax "?
And by the way he was unidentified because of privacy laws.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/30-year-man-dies-attending-covid-party-thinking/story?id=71731414

And is it possible some people could be so stupid as to deliberately hold parties to infect each other ?

https://www.news.com.au/world/north...s/news-story/f74d37ffc60fb3272fa12fd80ab2376d
 
Agreed that it is pretty dumb, if so.

The rest, like anything, should be fact checked.
 
wayneL said:
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There’s no justification now for any more hard lockdowns.
‘Deaths all causes’ is probably going to be the best metric to evaluate ‘who did it best’

The Scots had a hard lockdown yet have had an uptick in deaths all causes.
 

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If suicides continue for decades then that suggests a far deeper problem than simply the pandemic assuming it's resolved one way or the other well before then.
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Yes, the economic consequences (for which covid has merely served as a trigger).
 
Just want to point out something, Victoria has had maybe 1400 cases since the new spike occurred.
Already we have 85 people in hospital, 26 in intensive care (like Boris was) and 21 on ventilators. It is really nasty.
 
Knobby22 said:
Just want to point out something, Victoria has had maybe 1400 cases since the new spike occurred.
Already we have 85 people in hospital, 26 in intensive care (like Boris was) and 21 on ventilators. It is really nasty.
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And important to point out that the serious illnesses don't just happen immediately. Every probability that from the 1400 cases already noted serious illnesses and consequences will rise.

So add one or two zeros to the figures if it gets out of hand as has happened in many other countries and what are we dealing with ? Effectively the initial projections from March this year.
 
This report from CNN on the Coronavirus situation in the US indicates the Florida health system has reached its full capacity while the outbreak is still spreading faster than ever.

 
I think it is obvious what the real motivation behind this is ....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/world/coronavirus-update.html

The administration orders hospitals to bypass the C.D.C. with key virus data, alarming health experts.

The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and, beginning on Wednesday, send all coronavirus patient information to a central database in Washington — a move that has alarmed public health experts who fear the data will be distorted for political gain.

The new instructions are contained in a little-noticed documentposted this week on the Department of Health and Human Services’ website, Sheryl Gay Stolberg reports. From now on, H.H.S., and not the C.D.C., will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, how many beds and ventilators are available, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.

Officials said the change should help ease data gathering and assist the White House coronavirus task force in allocating scarce supplies like personal protective gear and the drug remdesivir.

Hospital officials want to streamline reporting, saying it will relieve them from responding to requests from multiple federal agencies, though some say the C.D.C. — an agency that prizes its scientific independence — should be in charge of gathering the information.

“The C.D.C. is the right agency to be at the forefront of collecting the data,” said Dr. Bala Hota, the chief analytics officer at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago.

Public health experts have long expressed concern that the administration is politicizing science and undermining the disease control centers; four former C.D.C. directors, spanning both Republican and Democratic administrations, said as much in an opinion piece published Tuesday in The Washington Post. The data collection shift reinforced those fears.

“Centralizing control of all data under the umbrella of an inherently political apparatus is dangerous and breeds distrust,” said Nicole Lurie, who served as assistant secretary for preparedness and response under former President Barack Obama. “It appears to cut off the ability of agencies like C.D.C. to do its basic job.”

The shift grew out of a tense conference call several weeks ago between hospital executives and Dr. Deborah L. Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator.

After Dr. Birx complained that hospitals were not adequately reporting their data, she convened a working group of government and hospital officials who devised the new plan, according to Janis Orlowski, chief health care officer of the Association of American Medical Colleges, who participated.

But news of the change came as a shock inside the C.D.C., which has long been responsible for gathering public health data, according to two officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it. A spokesman for the disease control centers referred questions to the Department of Health and Human Services, which has not responded to a request for comment.

The dispute exposes the vast gaps in the government’s ability to collect and manage health data — an antiquated system at best, experts say.


 
A comment on the vilification of Hydro, it is regarded as safe for everyone (even pregnant women) as a treatment for malaria yet is now "dangerous"

<<Hydroxychloroquine has been used safely for 65 years in many millions of patients. And so the message was crafted that the drug is safe for its other uses, but dangerous when used for COVID-19. It doesn’t make sense, but it seems to have worked. Were these acts carefully orchestrated? You decide.>>

Seems that some folks do Not want a cheap and readily available drug to work, wonder why ?

Many of the people dying are dying from blood clots, aspirin has been used to stop clots for years.

Given time we can establish a treatment method and we can all relax a bit, hopefully
 
An mRNA Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 — Preliminary Report
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Abstract

BACKGROUND
The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) emerged in late 2019 and spread globally, prompting an international effort to accelerate development of a vaccine. The candidate vaccine mRNA-1273 encodes the stabilized prefusion SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.​

METHODS
We conducted a phase 1, dose-escalation, open-label trial including 45 healthy adults, 18 to 55 years of age, who received two vaccinations, 28 days apart, with mRNA-1273 in a dose of 25 μg, 100 μg, or 250 μg. There were 15 participants in each dose group.​

RESULTS
After the first vaccination, antibody responses were higher with higher dose (day 29 enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay anti–S-2P antibody geometric mean titer [GMT], 40,227 in the 25-μg group, 109,209 in the 100-μg group, and 213,526 in the 250-μg group). After the second vaccination, the titers increased (day 57 GMT, 299,751, 782,719, and 1,192,154, respectively). After the second vaccination, serum-neutralizing activity was detected by two methods in all participants evaluated, with values generally similar to those in the upper half of the distribution of a panel of control convalescent serum specimens. Solicited adverse events that occurred in more than half the participants included fatigue, chills, headache, myalgia, and pain at the injection site. Systemic adverse events were more common after the second vaccination, particularly with the highest dose, and three participants (21%) in the 250-μg dose group reported one or more severe adverse events.​

CONCLUSIONS
The mRNA-1273 vaccine induced anti–SARS-CoV-2 immune responses in all participants, and no trial-limiting safety concerns were identified. These findings support further development of this vaccine. (Funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and others; mRNA-1273 ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04283461. opens in new tab).​



 

In the mid 80's I travelled overland for 12 months surfing Mexico, Central and South America.

At that time malaria was around many of those countries so I spend some time researching and talking to quacks about anti malaria drugs.

The problem was all of them had side effects that would kill a brown dog and all of them only worked on certain malaria parasites from memory the chloroquine based ones had the highest resistance from the most types malaria due largely to it being used the longest I believe.

Still, side effects were better than dying from malaria particular if you were in the middle of a jungle days travel from any where...........just.

A mate of mine (have mentioned before) takes one of the malaria drugs to treat his auto immune disease which in turn has killed his eye sight a known side effect ( I avoided this one due to this problem).

I took an anti malaria drugs for 4 weeks and felt unwell for the whole time, in the end I stooped taking it and would ask around if malaria was present and took precautions not to get bitten.

Long winded response to get to the point which is there maybe a use for Hydroxychloroquine but it would be limited due to its side effects please note death rates appear to have been reduced along with hospital stays due to the use of anti inflammable drugs along with blood thinners(i think) Hydroxychloroquine is not the go to dug clearly for clinical reasons not ideological ones IMHO.
 
A lot of companies have invested a lot of money and stand to make even more should they come up with "the magic bullet"

The magic bullet is currently unknown but there are quite a few "shields" being used around the world with good effects on Covid.

Unfortunately these don't get much of a mention on the news because they are booring, mundane, old fashioned, effective and saving lives, no one is interested.................
 
Reading in todays paper that the outbreak in Sydney has been traced back to Melbourne. A truck driver returned from Melbourne, gave it to people at the depot, then went to the Pub which is the main source of the Sydney outbreak.

The interesting thing is that they were able to trace the strain of the virus, which means of course, that Melbourne has a different strain to Sydney.

Stop and think, a different strain has developed between two states, A Vaccine? wishful thinking !

If this is normal then it would seem very unlikely that a vaccine developed for a strain in UK will work here.

The flu vaccine is an example of this, in 2017 it was kindly rated as 10% effective

Batten down the hatches this will effect our economy and the rest of the world for a long time until we are forced to mask up and carry on, just like the Asian success stories
 
macca said:
Reading in todays paper that the outbreak in Sydney has been traced back to Melbourne. A truck driver returned from Melbourne, gave it to people at the depot, then went to the Pub which is the main source of the Sydney outbreak.
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Truckies are exempt from border checks.

Maybe this should change.
 
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