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Would we be in this position if the US stayed in Afghanistan instead of heading to Iraq for the oil?
Combating the Resurgent Taliban
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Yes I believe we would be. America and the UN made the mistake of believing that they would be welcomed by the general populace wth open arms and once Terry Taliban was removed from power they would crumble and melt away.
This has not occurred and now we are all their we have to either stay for ever or walk away suffering a major slap in the face. And in doing so if we walk out of the sandpit Terry Taliban will gain so much more prestige ,power and followers from defeating the infidel invaders that no one in the world will be safe from heighten terrorist activity. Islamic militants throughout the world will rise up and say well if the Taliban can defeat the rest of the world so can we.
And considering that their is a large militant islamic group not far from our shores we will be open to heightened continued threats. And before you say it yes I agree that our counter terrorist capabilities are world class but if you throw a hundred stones at the glass house one is bound to be successful
UBIQUE
but thanks anyway.sorry about this - but I feel a need to raise awareness...people have to know this sh1te is going on in our world...
- a 2 second google on taliban atrocities yields pages and pages:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/boysshot.htm
---------------ALSO ----------------
http://www.rawa.org/h-kill.htm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0111260264nov26,0,5368139.story
Just a short selection!!!
- a 2 second google on taliban atrocities yields pages and pages:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/boysshot.htm
that one continues at the link above.
---------------ALSO ----------------
http://www.rawa.org/h-kill.htm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0111260264nov26,0,5368139.story
Just a short selection!!!
The Afghani chicken has come home to roost in so many ways for the US.
In the 60s and 70s they pressured the (then, like now) US lapdog government to eradicate Cannabis farming for the purposes of growing and selling hashish on the international markets (Afghani hash being the most famed in the world at the time). Before this the king would provide fertiliser and horticultural support to farmers growing this crop as it provided not only cash but traditional food in the form of hemp seed.
Once this was abolished a new cash crop had to come into play, by necessity the farmers began growing poppies to feed their families and pay debt.
Next the Russians stepped in, but for fear of starting Cold War the US did nothing overtly. Support was for guerrilla factions through the CIA. As noted in the great movie "Charlie Wilsons War", none of these people really realised it was the US who saved their butts, nor that they were once again US puppets.
Then 9/11 happens and the rest is history.
Well, what do we have now?
Opium and opiate based stockpiles large enough that if the poppy production of Afghanistan stopped tomorrow there would still be enough stockpile for 8+ years of illicit opiate supply (compared to a 90% reduction of poppy during Taleban regime). Reintroduction of Cannabis production as both a cash crop and excellent anti-personnel cover for guerrillas.
Insurgency spreading everywhere, easy drug money has fuelled extremist Madrassas on the Pakistani border. Warizistan, Balochistan and in fact the whole Peshawar district is in the flames of extremist fervor, with extreme hate pointed towards the Pakistani government (current US lapdog in the area) who seem unable to control the tribesmen, even giving them concessions!
Continued and increasing cash inflows from Wahhabist countries to fund the insurgents. The "elected" government can't even leave Kabul city walls, spend their time in the equivalent of the Iraqi "Green Zone".
as mayk said,
Spring is fast approaching.
In the 60s and 70s they pressured the (then, like now) US lapdog government to eradicate Cannabis farming for the purposes of growing and selling hashish on the international markets (Afghani hash being the most famed in the world at the time). Before this the king would provide fertiliser and horticultural support to farmers growing this crop as it provided not only cash but traditional food in the form of hemp seed.
Once this was abolished a new cash crop had to come into play, by necessity the farmers began growing poppies to feed their families and pay debt.
Next the Russians stepped in, but for fear of starting Cold War the US did nothing overtly. Support was for guerrilla factions through the CIA. As noted in the great movie "Charlie Wilsons War", none of these people really realised it was the US who saved their butts, nor that they were once again US puppets.
Then 9/11 happens and the rest is history.
Well, what do we have now?
Opium and opiate based stockpiles large enough that if the poppy production of Afghanistan stopped tomorrow there would still be enough stockpile for 8+ years of illicit opiate supply (compared to a 90% reduction of poppy during Taleban regime). Reintroduction of Cannabis production as both a cash crop and excellent anti-personnel cover for guerrillas.
Insurgency spreading everywhere, easy drug money has fuelled extremist Madrassas on the Pakistani border. Warizistan, Balochistan and in fact the whole Peshawar district is in the flames of extremist fervor, with extreme hate pointed towards the Pakistani government (current US lapdog in the area) who seem unable to control the tribesmen, even giving them concessions!
Continued and increasing cash inflows from Wahhabist countries to fund the insurgents. The "elected" government can't even leave Kabul city walls, spend their time in the equivalent of the Iraqi "Green Zone".
as mayk said,
Spring is fast approaching.
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