Can Malcolm Turnbull rise from the ashes?

[noco]

I think we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Malcolm is lifting from the ashes after yesterday's meeting. The next poll should show a vast improvement. He has learnt some hard lessons and been dealt a few blows, but he has survived and perhaps come out a better leader form the experience. One can all learn from our mistakes, so long as you don't let it happen again.

Parliament opens again today and where is our illustrious Prime Minister? In Indonesia taking care of the boat people. At least he won't be in parliament to cop a tongue lashing over his failed asylum seeker policy. How very convenient. What a coward!!!!!!!!!!

 

[noco]

I think we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Malcolm is lifting from the ashes after yesterday's meeting. The next poll should show a vast improvement. He has learnt some hard lessons and been dealt a few blows, but he has survived and perhaps come out a better leader form the experience. One can all learn from our mistakes, so long as you don't let it happen again.

Parliament opens again today and where is our illustrious Prime Minister? In Indonesia taking care of the boat people. At least he won't be in parliament to cop a tongue lashing over his failed asylum seeker policy. How very convenient. What a coward!!!!!!!!!!

My apology to the PM, thought he was in Indonesia today; he does not leave untill today

I did watch him on question time but turned off the tele half through; just could not stand to listen to his babbling rhectoric.

 

[noco]

I'm afraid if Malcolm Turnbull doesn't get a lift in the polls after Rudd's shambles in Indonesia this week, I will begin to have doubts of his rise from the ashes!
What more of an opportunity does he have right now than to expose Rudd's failings. Turnbull must act more aggressively if wants to gain some ground.

 

[Julia]

As if the Libs haven't already done a sufficiently spectacular job of implosion this week, the Utegate report is apparently out.

Here is transcript of "AM" this morning which includes some of the emails sent by Godwin Grech to Malcolm Turnbull.

Mr Grech appears to have been acting as Mr Turnbull's personal adviser inside Treasury. Some of the emails are astonishing.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2009/s2753898.htm

 

[Putty7]

I think Turnbull had his day in the sun a very long time ago Julia, not surprising the Libs were looking to make the move to oust him just before this report came out, only gives strength to their other arguments.

 

[nulla nulla]

If today is anything to go by, tomorrow is likely to see a new leader of the liberal party. If a nonety can gather together 35 votes at short notice, Tony Abbot must figure he can raise the necessary numbers, particulalry if he has Nick Minchin number crunching with him.

 

[moXJO]

If today is anything to go by, tomorrow is likely to see a new leader of the liberal party. If a nonety can gather together 35 votes at short notice, Tony Abbot must figure he can raise the necessary numbers, particulalry if he has Nick Minchin number crunching with him.

And not a moment too soon imo. Turnbull seems to have done more for labor causes, rather then been any help to liberals.

 

[noco]

IMHO this thread will be dead and buried by Monday Nov 30. I doubt Turnbull can survive this latest debacle and hoping, the end of the ETS.

 

[drsmith]

Malcolm Turnbull and Fremantle Dockers....

Lots in commom.

 

[Dukey]

And not a moment too soon imo. Turnbull seems to have done more for labor causes, rather then been any help to liberals.

Not so sure about that...

the speech he gave just now [ http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/26/2754779.htm ] appeared quite relaxed and showed strength and leadership. He could've said - well go f#@K the lot of youse, spat the dummy and walked - but instead he stood tall, stated his case and effectively dared abbott and co to a showdown.

... and I agree with him - good riddance to the drop-outs - the libs and the nation will be much better off without those clowns and will take a giant step into the 21st century where the rest of us live!!

If they ditch Turnbull and stick with the loony super conservatives - then labour will be laughing all the way to the next term... and probably the one after that too...!


all just IMO of course! cheers - -d

 

[moXJO]

IMHO this thread will be dead and buried by Monday Nov 30. I doubt Turnbull can survive this latest debacle and hoping, the end of the ETS.

Rudd is trying to rush the ets through tomorrow while Turnbull is still in a position of power. Why the need for the rush? It will make zero difference to the environment if we wait till February. Except that the general public might realize what’s going on
Rudd has made out the world would end if we didn’t tax force this tax on Australians asap.
Notice Rudd once again dodges the flack from the media for putting this ****e on the table. Be nice to know exactly how much of a difference this ets will make on global warming.

 

[moXJO]

Not so sure about that...

the speech he gave just now [ http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/26/2754779.htm ] appeared quite relaxed and showed strength and leadership. He could've said - well go f#@K the lot of youse, spat the dummy and walked - but instead he stood tall, stated his case and effectively dared abbott and co to a showdown.

... and I agree with him - good riddance to the drop-outs - the libs and the nation will be much better off without those clowns and will take a giant step into the 21st century where the rest of us live!!

If they ditch Turnbull and stick with the loony super conservatives - then labour will be laughing all the way to the next term... and probably the one after that too...!


all just IMO of course! cheers - -d

Oh you mean Turnbulls 'save the children' speech, C'mon. We are 1% of the pollution, and this ets will do bugger all for global warming. But you can be sure it will do a lot for ripping tax off us. We don't need to rush something through when the details about it are so vague. If a giant step into the 21st century means believing this is for the environment, then I might stick it out here for a bit.
I am for less pollution, but this ets is just too vague. The manner in which they are trying to rush it through is also worrying

 

[So_Cynical]

Not pointing the finger at anyone in particular but i have to say that i find the depth of political naivety from many posters in this thread, and other similar ones to be breathtaking.

Turnbull is being statesman like and showing all the quality's of a great leader...its the party that's letting him down, its the right wing of the party that has taken its collective bat and ball and gone home to reminisce about the good old (Howard) days.

Pathetic.

This kind of remind's me of the Democrat's implosion and subsequent destruction.

 

[drsmith]

Turnbull is being statesman like and showing all the quality's of a great leader...its the party that's letting him down, its the right wing of the party that has taken its collective bat and ball and gone home to reminisce about the good old (Howard) days.

Regardless of the merits of his position a great leader he is not.

One need look no further than the trail of wreckage in his wake to see that.

 

[Dukey]

Oh you mean Turnbulls 'save the children' speech, C'mon. We are 1% of the pollution, and this ets will do bugger all for global warming. But you can be sure it will do a lot for ripping tax off us. We don't need to rush something through when the details about it are so vague. If a giant step into the 21st century means believing this is for the environment, then I might stick it out here for a bit.
I am for less pollution, but this ets is just too vague. The manner in which they are trying to rush it through is also worrying

to me it's more about the libs pulling their heads out of the sand and looking forward instead of back to the 'golden years' of johnny.. who looked back to the golden years of menzies.

the ets will come - whether it's now or later probably won't make much diff. Whether it has any real effect depends on joe public and businesses changing a little, or alot. either way - it's going to happen so we might a swell bite the bullet and get on with it - there maybe some benefits in taking the lead.

 

[moXJO]

Not pointing the finger at anyone in particular but i have to say that i find the depth of political naivety from many posters in this thread, and other similar ones to be breathtaking.

Turnbull is being statesman like and showing all the quality's of a great leader...its the party that's letting him down, its the right wing of the party that has taken its collective bat and ball and gone home to reminisce about the good old (Howard) days.

Pathetic.

This kind of remind's me of the Democrat's implosion and subsequent destruction.

Oh please: you’re just happy he is supporting something labor spat out Maybe you sucked up that 'we have made a commitment' part of the speech he gave. Yeah that will make me feel better while I am shelling out more cash for yet another policy that does not work.
Sorry this ets is a crock, that’s the issue. And there is plenty of time to go over the details (or at least there should be) Not interested in your love of all things Malcolm.

 

[moXJO]

to me it's more about the libs pulling their heads out of the sand and looking forward instead of back to the 'golden years' of johnny.. who looked back to the golden years of menzies.

the ets will come - whether it's now or later probably won't make much diff. Whether it has any real effect depends on joe public and businesses changing a little, or alot. either way - it's going to happen so we might a swell bite the bullet and get on with it - there maybe some benefits in taking the lead.

I'd rather a straight out carbon tax, at least there would be less surprises.

Bit on ets effects


http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Doing-business-in-the-dark-pd20091125-Y4U5W?OpenDocument&src=sph

 

[noco]

IMHO if Turnbull goes it will throw the Labor Party into turmoil, the ETS will be out the proverbial window and I maintain there are several Labor politicians hoping the same. The problem with the Labor politicians who are against the ETS is the fact they fear retribution by Rudd.

 

[So_Cynical]

Oh please: you’re just happy he is supporting something labor spat out.

No not at all...i just thought that Malcolm's speech tonight was a great political speech with broad, simplistic appeal...just what the libs need to appeal to the middle ground...however its now clear to me that this sort of talk is a turn off to the core liberals/Nationals.

Core Liberals are so far to the right that they cant seem to understand the need for broad appeal, its the core that seems to need pandering to and demands attention even in the face of electoral destruction....Bizarre

For the record, i to would prefer a straight out carbon tax...with no restrictions on offset creation, however politics is about what's achievable not what's best or what u or i want.

 

[rhen]

No not at all...i just thought that Malcolm's speech tonight was a great political speech with broad, simplistic appeal...just what the libs need to appeal to the middle ground...however its now clear to me that this sort of talk is a turn off to the core liberals/Nationals.

Core Liberals are so far to the right that they cant seem to understand the need for broad appeal, its the core that seems to need pandering to and demands attention even in the face of electoral destruction....Bizarre

For the record, i to would prefer a straight out carbon tax...with no restrictions on offset creation, however politics is about what's achievable not what's best or what u or i want.

Yes? Well, "simplistic" I can agree with.
Me? I'm not convinced there is global warming due to carbon dioxide...at least not to the extent Mr Gore purports.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....ecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6
I certainly don't trust politicians to interpret accurately for me (unless Barry Jones returns) the scientific consequences.
Rather, I fear those political consequences...you know, the inflation and tax consequences that have the potential to send us all to penury under the guise of Rudd's "glorius" tilt at global warming...shades of Canute or Quixote, take your pick.